The Official F1 2025 silly season *contains speculation*
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Forester1965 said:
Bearman is being way over-hyped. His double F4 season notwithstanding, he's been fairly unremarkable in single seaters so far, perhaps marked out for getting himself into needless penalties trouble. Last year he was well beaten by his team mate.
So what do Ferrari see in him? They have far more data that us in selecting drivers.andburg said:
Agreed, my yard stick is always the first year in f2. If a driver can win or challenge for the title against another f2 rookie they might just be f1 quality
Pulling Bearman out of the F2 race won't help his title chances. I reckon Bearman -> Haas (maybe replacing KMag) and then to Ferrari when Lewis retires.
Forester1965 said:
Availability at incredibly short notice and more data to assess him.
Not arguing he's no good, I'm arguing he did a solid but unremarkable job, which seems to match his career so far. It didn't justify the level of fawning from some.
I think he did a remarkable job having only had one FP session, but would like to see a full race weekend or two to make a better judgement.Not arguing he's no good, I'm arguing he did a solid but unremarkable job, which seems to match his career so far. It didn't justify the level of fawning from some.
Maybe we need an additional race each race weekend for the nominated reserve drivers - a 3 lap quali and 25 lap sprint race on the Friday?
vaud said:
I think he did a remarkable job having only had one FP session, but would like to see a full race weekend or two to make a better judgement.
Maybe we need an additional race each race weekend for the nominated reserve drivers - a 3 lap quali and 25 lap sprint race on the Friday?
Remarkable is a bit strong. Maybe we need an additional race each race weekend for the nominated reserve drivers - a 3 lap quali and 25 lap sprint race on the Friday?
He's done a full programme of Karting, F4, F3, a season in F2, tests with the 2021 Ferrari and two FP1 sessions with Haas towards the end of last year.
It would've been remarkable if he hadn't put in a competent performance.
Forester1965 said:
Remarkable is a bit strong.
He's done a full programme of Karting, F4, F3, a season in F2, tests with the 2021 Ferrari and two FP1 sessions with Haas towards the end of last year.
It would've been remarkable if he hadn't put in a competent performance.
I'm not trying to persuade you, just sharing opinion. He's done a full programme of Karting, F4, F3, a season in F2, tests with the 2021 Ferrari and two FP1 sessions with Haas towards the end of last year.
It would've been remarkable if he hadn't put in a competent performance.
carl_w said:
andburg said:
Agreed, my yard stick is always the first year in f2. If a driver can win or challenge for the title against another f2 rookie they might just be f1 quality
Pulling Bearman out of the F2 race won't help his title chances. I reckon Bearman -> Haas (maybe replacing KMag) and then to Ferrari when Lewis retires.
Forester1965 said:
vaud said:
I think he did a remarkable job having only had one FP session, but would like to see a full race weekend or two to make a better judgement.
Maybe we need an additional race each race weekend for the nominated reserve drivers - a 3 lap quali and 25 lap sprint race on the Friday?
Remarkable is a bit strong. Maybe we need an additional race each race weekend for the nominated reserve drivers - a 3 lap quali and 25 lap sprint race on the Friday?
He's done a full programme of Karting, F4, F3, a season in F2, tests with the 2021 Ferrari and two FP1 sessions with Haas towards the end of last year.
It would've been remarkable if he hadn't put in a competent performance.
Good to see a new young british driver coming through
Leithen said:
The respect given by Verstappen, Hamilton, Russell etc says all that needs to be said about how well Bearman did. Nasty track to step into a car you've only ever driven in sim. Passed his first proper F1 test with flying colours.
Absolutely.As a father it wasn’t hard to live the nerves with his dad as well and that was just FP3 and Qually. His balls to the walls flat out first laps were an absolute joy to watch on a track that’s (as many of us have already said) is an accident waiting to happen.
Good solid result and not sticking it in the wall. Softs worked well for him early so he had a tyre advantage to use to offset loss of knowledge compared to others.
As said before he is an experienced driver just the car changed ( yes big change) you could probably pop any of the top f2 drivers who are into their second f2 season into an f1 car and get an OK result. Remember also the ferrari is probably the second best car so far do that helps as well.
As said before he is an experienced driver just the car changed ( yes big change) you could probably pop any of the top f2 drivers who are into their second f2 season into an f1 car and get an OK result. Remember also the ferrari is probably the second best car so far do that helps as well.
Leithen said:
The respect given by Verstappen, Hamilton, Russell etc says all that needs to be said about how well Bearman did. Nasty track to step into a car you've only ever driven in sim. Passed his first proper F1 test with flying colours.
I think that says a lot because they know it's a tough circuit - I was impressed!Verstappen to Aston Martin?
Unlikely on the face of it, but they make an interesting argument here.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/why-aston-marti...
Unlikely on the face of it, but they make an interesting argument here.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/why-aston-marti...
thegreenhell said:
Verstappen to Aston Martin?
Unlikely on the face of it, but they make an interesting argument here.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/why-aston-marti...
The Vertsappen Sr / Stroll dynamic ….that will generate some new headlines for a while! Unlikely on the face of it, but they make an interesting argument here.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/why-aston-marti...
thegreenhell said:
Verstappen to Aston Martin?
Unlikely on the face of it, but they make an interesting argument here.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/why-aston-marti...
Staying with Honda makes sense and at least he gets a good teammate with Lance Unlikely on the face of it, but they make an interesting argument here.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/why-aston-marti...
thegreenhell said:
Verstappen to Aston Martin?
Unlikely on the face of it, but they make an interesting argument here.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/why-aston-marti...
I would have thought Newey and Verstappen are Red Bull's most important assets, and keeping them is more important than keeping Horner.Unlikely on the face of it, but they make an interesting argument here.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/why-aston-marti...
From an outsider's point of view it would seem mad that if forced to choose between Horner and Verstappen, Red Bull would choose Horner.
braddo said:
I would have thought Newey and Verstappen are Red Bull's most important assets, and keeping them is more important than keeping Horner.
From an outsider's point of view it would seem mad that if forced to choose between Horner and Verstappen, Red Bull would choose Horner.
The driver is just a temporary contractor with no vested interest beyond their own personal success. You'd choose a driver who'll be gone in a couple of years regardless over the manager who built and ran the team for nearly twenty years? That's madness.From an outsider's point of view it would seem mad that if forced to choose between Horner and Verstappen, Red Bull would choose Horner.
Red Bull have won races and championships with other drivers before Verstappen and will win again with others after he's gone, but only one person has ever run the team.
thegreenhell said:
braddo said:
I would have thought Newey and Verstappen are Red Bull's most important assets, and keeping them is more important than keeping Horner.
From an outsider's point of view it would seem mad that if forced to choose between Horner and Verstappen, Red Bull would choose Horner.
The driver is just a temporary contractor with no vested interest beyond their own personal success. You'd choose a driver who'll be gone in a couple of years regardless over the manager who built and ran the team for nearly twenty years? That's madness.From an outsider's point of view it would seem mad that if forced to choose between Horner and Verstappen, Red Bull would choose Horner.
Red Bull have won races and championships with other drivers before Verstappen and will win again with others after he's gone, but only one person has ever run the team.
There are several drivers you could put in that car and they'd win with it
thegreenhell said:
braddo said:
I would have thought Newey and Verstappen are Red Bull's most important assets, and keeping them is more important than keeping Horner.
From an outsider's point of view it would seem mad that if forced to choose between Horner and Verstappen, Red Bull would choose Horner.
The driver is just a temporary contractor with no vested interest beyond their own personal success. You'd choose a driver who'll be gone in a couple of years regardless over the manager who built and ran the team for nearly twenty years? That's madness.From an outsider's point of view it would seem mad that if forced to choose between Horner and Verstappen, Red Bull would choose Horner.
No driver is bigger than the team. Verstappen will be gone in a couple of years, regardless of whether Horner stays or goes.
From a longer term performance perspective, Red Bull would be mad to let Horner go.
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