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Nomme de Plum said:
"A hypothesis (pl.: hypotheses) is a proposed explanation for a phenomenon. For a hypothesis to be a scientific hypothesis, the scientific method requires that one can test it. Scientists generally base scientific hypotheses on previous observations that cannot satisfactorily be explained with the available scientific theories. Even though the words "hypothesis" and "theory" are often used interchangeably, a scientific hypothesis is not the same as a scientific theory. A working hypothesis is a provisionally accepted hypothesis proposed for further research[1] in a process beginning with an educated guess or thought."
An educated guess. You need to take some time off the internet. Edited by Nomme de Plum on Monday 1st April 19:01
Nomme de Plum said:
carlo996 said:
An educated guess. You need to take some time off the internet.
Yet we have a not dissimilar post count rate. I believe you still work and l've been retired for a decade. In fact I don't recall posting at all whilst I was working. You worked all your life to be superior on the internet?
Nomme de Plum said:
CG2020UK said:
Nomme de Plum said:
Why you would come up with some hypothesis of a Civic Typer R at 1:10 and Tesla 3P at 1:30 is beyond me as if you knew anything about hypothesise you would understand they are based on available data to allow interpolation or extrapolation within defined parameters so there is no evidential basis to your numbers.
Hypothesis comes before you gather dataEdited by Nomme de Plum on Monday 1st April 19:01
In what might be a slightly comical event that you might not actually understand a hypothesis, could you clarify what do you think my hypothesis actually was in my original post? Then also how you think it doesn’t match up to the definition you just posted.
740EVTORQUES said:
ChocolateFrog said:
Terminator X said:
740EVTORQUES said:
Terminator X said:
Potholes at an all time high and it definitely absolutely is not huge bloated EVs which have only been around for a few ears.
TX.
The reason we have so many potholes is due to a lack of road maintenance.TX.
If you think EVs are the cause? What about HGVs, buses etc?
TX.
carlo996 said:
Nomme de Plum said:
"A hypothesis (pl.: hypotheses) is a proposed explanation for a phenomenon. For a hypothesis to be a scientific hypothesis, the scientific method requires that one can test it. Scientists generally base scientific hypotheses on previous observations that cannot satisfactorily be explained with the available scientific theories. Even though the words "hypothesis" and "theory" are often used interchangeably, a scientific hypothesis is not the same as a scientific theory. A working hypothesis is a provisionally accepted hypothesis proposed for further research[1] in a process beginning with an educated guess or thought."
An educated guess. You need to take some time off the internet. Edited by Nomme de Plum on Monday 1st April 19:01
Just been pointed out to me that the previous post causing all this silliness about the Type R time is actually the old FK8 Type R for some reason.
Turns out the current FL5 Type R is a different story.
https://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/tnmlllvojlsh
Maybe I wasn’t a million miles off in the end and certainly not as silly as some have tried to make out.
Turns out the current FL5 Type R is a different story.
https://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/tnmlllvojlsh
Maybe I wasn’t a million miles off in the end and certainly not as silly as some have tried to make out.
Edited by CG2020UK on Tuesday 2nd April 00:34
CG2020UK said:
Just been pointed out to me that the previous post causing all this silliness about the Type R time is actually the old FK8 Type R for some reason.
Turns out the current FL5 Type R is a different story.
https://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/tnmlllvojlsh
Maybe I wasn’t a million miles off in the end and certainly not as silly as some have tried to make out.
No not reallyTurns out the current FL5 Type R is a different story.
https://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/tnmlllvojlsh
Maybe I wasn’t a million miles off in the end and certainly not as silly as some have tried to make out.
Edited by CG2020UK on Tuesday 2nd April 00:34
Yes this time the Type R wins out by a whole 7 seconds or 1.1%
What was it you said? 1:10 versus 1:30, 20 seconds viz. 22%
Fun fact: ' A Honda spokesperson tells us it sold 3,345 examples of the Type R in 2023, which represents 1.7 percent of the 200,381 of the Civic's total.'
Edited by Nomme de Plum on Tuesday 2nd April 09:10
Nomme de Plum said:
CG2020UK said:
Just been pointed out to me that the previous post causing all this silliness about the Type R time is actually the old FK8 Type R for some reason.
Turns out the current FL5 Type R is a different story.
https://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/tnmlllvojlsh
Maybe I wasn’t a million miles off in the end and certainly not as silly as some have tried to make out.
No not reallyTurns out the current FL5 Type R is a different story.
https://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/tnmlllvojlsh
Maybe I wasn’t a million miles off in the end and certainly not as silly as some have tried to make out.
Edited by CG2020UK on Tuesday 2nd April 00:34
Yes this time the Type R wins out by a whole 7 seconds or 1.1%
What was it you said? 1:10 versus 1:30, 20 seconds viz. 22%
Fun fact: ' A Honda spokesperson tells us it sold 3,345 examples of the Type R in 2023, which represents 1.7 percent of the 200,381 of the Civic's total.'
Edited by Nomme de Plum on Tuesday 2nd April 09:10
Just curious and to finish off your waffle and come full circle to my original hypothesis. At a really basic level why do you maybe think the Civic Type R maybe does those times despite having 150PS less?
CG2020UK said:
Once again that hypothetical just really catches you out doesn’t it
Just curious and to finish off your waffle and come full circle to my original hypothesis. At a really basic level why do you maybe think the Civic Type R maybe does those times despite having 150PS less?
Like all cars it has strengths and weaknesses. Those M3s and M4s use power combined with a good set up to be able to go fast across a range of road types, ditto the Type R less power less weight but will be impacted more by passengers and luggage. The Tesla 3 is more akin the M3 and M4. Just curious and to finish off your waffle and come full circle to my original hypothesis. At a really basic level why do you maybe think the Civic Type R maybe does those times despite having 150PS less?
So what? The family man buying a Tesla 3 is unlikely to want to own a Type R.
As it happens Tesla have just introduced a new Model 3. Maybe it performs better than the outgoing model.
So as it happens for all normal driving the Type R is almost identical to the Tesla 3P. Performance wise there is not a fag paper between them.
My 380 bhp S1 Exige would easily have embarrassed both the Type R and the Tesla but it's hardly the point is it.
I'm not sure what the intention is with this Hyundai but assume with 4WD and steering in challenging conditions it should still be able to maintain a good turn of speed. No doubt we will see.
CG2020UK said:
Once again that hypothetical just really catches you out doesn’t it
Just curious and to finish off your waffle and come full circle to my original hypothesis. At a really basic level why do you maybe think the Civic Type R maybe does those times despite having 150PS less?
Kinematics, set up, tyres, brakes, front camber. None of those will be optimised for track performance on the Tesla.Just curious and to finish off your waffle and come full circle to my original hypothesis. At a really basic level why do you maybe think the Civic Type R maybe does those times despite having 150PS less?
It goes to show how beneficial an inherently low CoG and PMOI are, as highlighted, particularly considering that the power to weight ratio (which is the relevant metric) is within around 10%.
nickfrog said:
Kinematics, set up, tyres, brakes, front camber. None of those will be optimised for track performance on the Tesla.
It goes to show how beneficial an inherently low CoG and PMOI are, as highlighted, particularly considering that the power to weight ratio (which is the relevant metric) is within around 10%.
It’s was never really about the Type R or Tesla. I picked them out randomly on whim. It goes to show how beneficial an inherently low CoG and PMOI are, as highlighted, particularly considering that the power to weight ratio (which is the relevant metric) is within around 10%.
However I think you are doing the Model 3 Performance a disservice. It does appear Tesla did give it a bit of thought. Like it’s still ultimately still a fast car.
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
The again not sure any cars really come set up for track out the factory. Especially hatches, saloons or SUVs. I’ve always had to do pads, lines and fluid as a minimum.
Then again you could look at it and say despite all those advantages and a higher power to weight (263 vs 233 bhp per U.K. ton) the Tesla just doesn’t handle as well.
stanlow45 said:
Good luck taking the family away for a week in the Alpine.stanlow45 said:
Fast and practicable. Partner, children, dogs and shopping. Lovely car that it is, not in the Alpine.The future for EVs is very bright indeed.
Edited by Nomme de Plum on Tuesday 2nd April 16:55
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