Rishi Sunak - Prime Minister

[EddieSteadyGo]

bhstewie said:

They've just lost 500 seats Eddie.

That should give some idea how in touch they are with peoples priorities.

The Conservatives spend millions researching in detail what people actually think, even if those people don't chose to virtue signal their views on here.

The problem isn't understanding; the problem is a lack of delivery.

Everywhere you look, nothing works. Taxes are too high, public services are failing, the immigration system is not working, the economy is flat-lining, whilst interest rates and inflation add salt to the wound.

It wouldn't matter if the government talked about those issues endlessly and convinced everyone they understood that is what matters. It's because they have either caused those problems or haven't demonstrated they can fix them, which has resulted in the loss of support.

[z4RRSchris]

lauda said:

Exactly the same from my perspective. And that runs from my 18 year old niece to my 70-odd year old parents and aunts/uncles.

Most of the people I know are ‘natural’ Tory voters. Firmly middle class and affluent. Not a single person I’ve spoken to has displayed anything but utter contempt for the current government and Tory party.

ditto, i work in finance in an office of public school boys paying high rate tax, kids in school etc, home of the tory. i reckon 1 / 30 votes tory now.

[Fusion777]

z4RRSchris said:

i do wonder if they do any kind of user research on the voting population that isn't their own paid up party members. It seems not. Appealing to such a tiny minority is just such a stupid thing to do. I say this as an ex tory voter who looks at the current bunch as complete idiots.

rwanda
ulez
"culture war"
trans
the green belt
immigration

are things people don't care about

interest rates
housing availability
labour shortages
nhs waiting lists
energy prices
inflation
schools
the environment, clean air
train prices
water prices
a non corrupt government - ppe fraud, cash for questions, etc

are things people do care about

This is correct, by and large. I do think lots of people are concerned about immigration, but much of this may be the effects on schools, hospitals and services, which you've covered.

[bitchstewie]

EddieSteadyGo said:

The Conservatives spend millions researching in detail what people actually think, even if those people don't chose to virtue signal their views on here.

I think if I were them I'd be requesting a refund given what happened on Thursday.

[z4RRSchris]

Fusion777 said:

This is correct, by and large. I do think lots of people are concerned about immigration, but much of this may be the effects on schools, hospitals and services, which you've covered.

tory questionnaire:

are you concerned about immigration? yes!

that must be the tens of thousands fleeing war zones, or just trying it on because our wages and NHS are good. let’s send them to rwanda!

maybe it’s not the hundreds of thousands we have let in with a visa because our labour markets fked. don’t mention them guys, blame the brown people on boats, that must be their concern

[Unreal]

Randy Winkman said:

Unreal said:

It would be interesting to create a little matrix. In the SE where I live when in the UK the locals would say:

rwanda
"culture war"
trans
the green belt
immigration

are things people DO care about

I live in SE London and my friends/family/colleagues dont. Except perhaps my 87 year old mother. I guess it depends who you hang about with wherever you are in the UK.

That's why I said it would be interesting. Not necessarily remotely informative but it passes the time.

[W124]

I reckon the Focus group thing stopped actually working a while back.

And the Conservatives are staggeringly, epically badly advised.

But the real problem for them is May/Boris/TRUSS/Sunak.

They say people have short memories. But, of course, they don’t.

There is no recovery from Liz Truss.

[EddieSteadyGo]

z4RRSchris said:

tory questionnaire:

are you concerned about immigration? yes!

that must be the tens of thousands fleeing war zones, or just trying it on because our wages and NHS are good. let’s send them to rwanda!

maybe it’s not the hundreds of thousands we have let in with a visa because our labour markets fked. don’t mention them guys, blame the brown people on boats, that must be their concern

One from my own personal priority list; I'd start by banning politicians talking about growing the economy by "increasing GDP".

The only GDP metrics allowed would be on 'per unit' basis e.g. GDP per capita, or GDP per hour worked.

At present, over the last 20 years governments have been able to "cheat" growing the economy by importing more people into the country. But that isn't making the average worker actually more wealthy, and it doesn't incentivise business (and the public sector) to invest in automation and technology to dramatically increase their efficiency. Instead the workforce just bloats, and then we wonder why our infrastructure, and schools, and hospitals come under pressure.

[Pitre]

W124 said:

I reckon the Focus group thing stopped actually working a while back.

And the Conservatives are staggeringly, epically badly advised.

But the real problem for them is May/Boris/TRUSS/Sunak.

They say people have short memories. But, of course, they don’t.

There is no recovery from Liz Truss BORIS.

FTFY.

[Mr Penguin]

z4RRSchris said:

ditto, i work in finance in an office of public school boys paying high rate tax, kids in school etc, home of the tory. i reckon 1 / 30 votes tory now.

Who do those people vote for and do they see the Conservatives as the party of Brexit?

[tamore]

Mr Penguin said:

Who do those people vote for and do they see the Conservatives as the party of Brexit?

looking at the turnout, people just aren't engaged enough to vote in the face of choosing being stabbed or shot!

[z4RRSchris]

Mr Penguin said:

Who do those people vote for and do they see the Conservatives as the party of Brexit?

brexit is done and dusted, it’s not a vote winner or loser now. Cameron is 4 pm’s ago!

labour, lib dem, green. Mostly labour

[S600BSB]

z4RRSchris said:

lauda said:

Exactly the same from my perspective. And that runs from my 18 year old niece to my 70-odd year old parents and aunts/uncles.

Most of the people I know are ‘natural’ Tory voters. Firmly middle class and affluent. Not a single person I’ve spoken to has displayed anything but utter contempt for the current government and Tory party.

ditto, i work in finance in an office of public school boys paying high rate tax, kids in school etc, home of the tory. i reckon 1 / 30 votes tory now.

I think that is typical. The only people who seem not to be totally put off by the dishonesty, incompetence and loony politics of the Tory party are some elderly people. That is also reflected on PH.

[thetapeworm]

S600BSB said:

I think that is typical. The only people who seem not to be totally put off by the dishonesty, incompetence and loony politics of the Tory party are some elderly people. That is also reflected on PH.

Where I am in a former BNP seat it's the racists that seem most defensive of our local Conservative MP and the party in general.

[James6112]

thetapeworm said:

S600BSB said:

I think that is typical. The only people who seem not to be totally put off by the dishonesty, incompetence and loony politics of the Tory party are some elderly people. That is also reflected on PH.

Where I am in a former BNP seat it's the racists that seem most defensive of our local Conservative MP and the party in general.

My mother is a Tory party member
A closet racist
Defaced the last leadership vote as she wanted Boris back
Reads the Daily Fail & watched weird news channels.


Even she has given up on them!

[turbobloke]

James6112 said:

thetapeworm said:

S600BSB said:

I think that is typical. The only people who seem not to be totally put off by the dishonesty, incompetence and loony politics of the Tory party are some elderly people. That is also reflected on PH.

Where I am in a former BNP seat it's the racists that seem most defensive of our local Conservative MP and the party in general.

My mother is a Tory party member
A closet racist
Defaced the last leadership vote as she wanted Boris back
Reads the Daily Fail & watched weird news channels.


Even she has given up on them!

Wow, your mother? That proves it for sure.

[S600BSB]

turbobloke said:

James6112 said:

thetapeworm said:

S600BSB said:

I think that is typical. The only people who seem not to be totally put off by the dishonesty, incompetence and loony politics of the Tory party are some elderly people. That is also reflected on PH.

Where I am in a former BNP seat it's the racists that seem most defensive of our local Conservative MP and the party in general.

My mother is a Tory party member
A closet racist
Defaced the last leadership vote as she wanted Boris back
Reads the Daily Fail & watched weird news channels.


Even she has given up on them!

Wow, your mother? That proves it for sure.

Ah, here’s an elderly gent!

[smn159]

W124 said:

But the real problem for them is May/Boris/TRUSS/Sunak.

They say people have short memories. But, of course, they don’t.

There is no recovery from Liz Truss.

John Curtis reckons that the two issues that caused the nose dive in popularity were Partygate (lack of ethics / do as I say not as I do) and Truss / Kwarteng (lack of capability)

My feeling is that the constant focus on culture war subjects has turned off large sections of the population as well. They rightly see it as an attempt to distract from the lack of capability in the party after the Johnson clear out.

[EddieSteadyGo]

S600BSB said:

Ah, here’s an elderly gent!

Have you noticed how many of your posts include reference to 'old people', usually in a snide and derogatory way? Have you got a problem with older people? Perhaps you blame them for something? Certainly looks that way to me, based on the number of times you refer to it. Maybe you are ageist?

[Tankrizzo]

smn159 said:

John Curtis reckons that the two issues that caused the nose dive in popularity were Partygate (lack of ethics / do as I say not as I do) and Truss / Kwarteng (lack of capability)

My feeling is that the constant focus on culture war subjects has turned off large sections of the population as well. They rightly see it as an attempt to distract from the lack of capability in the party after the Johnson clear out.

I feel that for most people (and this is obviously just my own supposition), the Tories have just failed at running the country properly. I don't actually think most people give a toss about culture war rubbish - they just want their bins emptied on time, fuel not to cost too much when they go to work, not to be shafted by money grabbing companies when they catch a train/have a drink of water/turn on the kettle etc.

Leaving aside the Rwanda/boats/woke cack, they've failed on most of the basics that the general population judge them by, and none of them seem to have any ideas how to improve things aside from setting themselves up a nice cosy personal job when they leave politics.

That is why they'll get a kicking at every election, local and general. Andy Street showed that about the only way to be a Tory at present and still come across well is to essentially disassociate yourself from the antics of the national party. They would do well to examine why that is.