Rishi Sunak - Prime Minister
Discussion
JagLover said:
xeny said:
Internet access is now a commodity. Right now my internet bill presumably pays for shareholder dividends, advertising, duplicated infrastructure, call centres processing people switching at the end of their contracts or arguing for a discount.....
It's not impossible that an increase in taxation to provide home broadband might be a net saving.
It is not impossible that you will have far worse service as well. In the old nationalised days waits of a few months for a new telephone line were not uncommon.It's not impossible that an increase in taxation to provide home broadband might be a net saving.
A few years back you could say this was a pressing issue, but now virtually everyone who wants home broadband can get it, and with good speeds as well. I have 150 mps for £35 a month.
I want to live in Utopia just like everyone else. I just want to know who is going to pay for it. Other than the non-doms, Labour policy on that seems to be a bit threadbare whereas the shopping list is nice and juicy.
Rishi needs to hammer home this disparity. I honestly don't think it will make any difference but the thread is about him so we can either close it now because we know he is going to California and Labour will have a 200 seat majority or we can continue to talk about the man and his options.
I think he'd be far better concentrating on a Project Fear type policy regarding what havoc Labour policies would cause than continuing on his present path over over promising and under delivering. Covid proved how fear can be used to motivate, however much some academics would like us to believe it doesn't.
Rishi needs to hammer home this disparity. I honestly don't think it will make any difference but the thread is about him so we can either close it now because we know he is going to California and Labour will have a 200 seat majority or we can continue to talk about the man and his options.
I think he'd be far better concentrating on a Project Fear type policy regarding what havoc Labour policies would cause than continuing on his present path over over promising and under delivering. Covid proved how fear can be used to motivate, however much some academics would like us to believe it doesn't.
Rufus Stone said:
Slow news day?
I think today is more Centred around the brilliant John Sweeney becoming SNP Leader. My phone hasn't stopped ringing with people chatting about this momentous event.In many ways its taken the heat off Rishi as people are so elated at events north of the border.
119 said:
Is there even a mobile plan without data these days?
I'm assuming they are pay as you go? Many have very old mobiles, presumeably hand me downs, so likely very cheap sim only with a data cap. Or, I'm just making all this up of course which seems to be your inference? Quite common for those who are, presumably a little better off to share a 'hot spot' whatever that is. Like you, I have a sim only deal with unlimited everything so don't really know what that means, but I can assure you it's 'a thing', I see this every school day.
anonymoususer said:
Rufus Stone said:
Slow news day?
I think today is more Centred around the brilliant John Sweeney becoming SNP Leader. My phone hasn't stopped ringing with people chatting about this momentous event.In many ways its taken the heat off Rishi as people are so elated at events north of the border.
W124 said:
That’s a colossal amount of money if you are struggling. This is aimed at the children of the people at the bottom. They didn’t choose their parents.
Yes but if the parents can't afford broadband it's only right that the kids suffer the consequences.Pour encourager les autres you know.
W124 said:
That’s a colossal amount of money if you are struggling. This is aimed at the children of the people at the bottom. They didn’t choose their parents.
Relatively speaking though for a given amount of data it is probably cheaper than ever despite high inflation in recent years, and that is a very good speed and cheaper packages are available with less speed that is still perfectly adequate for home study. Now if some are not using the benefits paid to provide the necessities for their children I am all for replacing a part with vouchers. What I am rather objecting too is the whole state run broadband thing, because if it isn't broken it doesn't really need fixing. We have higher speeds than ever before at the same or even less cost, and an ever higher percentage of the population have access to decent speeds. You can move house and within a few weeks, or even a few days, can have a line connected,
biggbn said:
Quite common for those who are, presumably a little better off to share a 'hot spot' whatever that is. Like you, I have a sim only deal with unlimited everything so don't really know what that means, but I can assure you it's 'a thing', I see this every school day.
I pay around £8 a month and receive free calls, free texts and 10 GB of data on my mobile. The data element is enough to work purely off mobile for a number of days, including numerous Teams calls and a data heavy accounting package, linking my work laptop to the phone via a hotspot.
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hstewie said:
hstewie said:W124 said:
That’s a colossal amount of money if you are struggling. This is aimed at the children of the people at the bottom. They didn’t choose their parents.
Yes but if the parents can't afford broadband it's only right that the kids suffer the consequences.Pour encourager les autres you know.
Low income families get benefits. They get spent on goods & services as needed - one of which would be broadband.
They are much more likely to struggle with buying computers or other devices to actually connect the broadband to in the first place.
JagLover said:
W124 said:
That’s a colossal amount of money if you are struggling. This is aimed at the children of the people at the bottom. They didn’t choose their parents.
Relatively speaking though for a given amount of data it is probably cheaper than ever despite high inflation in recent years, and that is a very good speed and cheaper packages are available with less speed that is still perfectly adequate for home study. Now if some are not using the benefits paid to provide the necessities for their children I am all for replacing a part with vouchers. What I am rather objecting too is the whole state run broadband thing, because if it isn't broken it doesn't really need fixing. We have higher speeds than ever before at the same or even less cost, and an ever higher percentage of the population have access to decent speeds. You can move house and within a few weeks, or even a few days, can have a line connected,
The only way of guaranteeing that the children of the very marginalised get access to broadband is to provide it free, to everybody. That is the point.
It’s whether that would pay for itself in terms of equality of opportunity.
It has a secondary function of linking everybody to systems that are done almost always online now - such as tax, banking etc.
valiant said:
But mention they soon may have to pay a bit more on school fees and they soon start crying...
It's the thing that never fails to amaze me.Someone struggling to make ends meet choosing between heating and eating f
k 'em they're feckless and it's all about priorities and poor life choices.Someone who's worked hard enough to be able to send their kids to private school oh my god we must do all we can to help them can you even imagine how hard it will be for them if they have to pay VAT on it?!
Remarkable really.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:valiant said:
But mention they soon may have to pay a bit more on school fees and they soon start crying...
It's the thing that never fails to amaze me.Someone struggling to make ends meet choosing between heating and eating f
k 'em they're feckless and it's all about priorities and poor life choices.Someone who's worked hard enough to be able to send their kids to private school oh my god we must do all we can to help them can you even imagine how hard it will be for them if they have to pay VAT on it?!
Remarkable really.
Quite a lot of pointing out what the effects of such a policy will likely mean for a range of people (and the projected cost thereof) , but nobody whinging that "its not fair" - despite the picture you and others have tried to paint
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