Russia Invades Ukraine. Volume 4
Discussion
martynr said:
ConnectionError said:
martynr said:
borcy said:
Absolute bs.I guess sitting here that doesn’t sound that meaningful but the Kremlin is clearly concerned about it.
Bright Halo said:
This is an interesting and scary article about N Korea’s manufacture and supply of missiles into Russia.
Missiles manufactured using American components despite all the sanctions.
7,000 containers shipped from N Korea to Russia!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-68933778
It’s pretty incredible how efficeint their sourcing of components is. That said I am guessing they don’t need the Hong Kong shell companies that the article describes…I am sure Xi is very happy to supply North Korea whatever they need. China don ‘t want Russia to lose in Korea but also don’t want to be seen to be supplying arms to Russia…how about they help North Korea manufacture arms and send them to Russia ? Missiles manufactured using American components despite all the sanctions.
7,000 containers shipped from N Korea to Russia!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-68933778
The only “good news” is that the reason the US has sent long range ATACMS to Ukraine is because these North Korean missiles have been supplied to Ukraine, That was the “red line” the US apparently communicated to Russia….”you take missiles from North Korea and we will supply Ukraine with long range missiles”…Putin called their bluff and for once they followed through on the threat.
Edited by Cheib on Sunday 5th May 10:59
Bright Halo said:
This is an interesting and scary article about N Korea’s manufacture and supply of missiles into Russia.
Missiles manufactured using American components despite all the sanctions.
7,000 containers shipped from N Korea to Russia!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-68933778
Pfft, the 3 F16s will sort that out.Missiles manufactured using American components despite all the sanctions.
7,000 containers shipped from N Korea to Russia!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-68933778
Western governments need to pull their finger out
Cheib said:
martynr said:
ConnectionError said:
martynr said:
borcy said:
Absolute bs.I guess sitting here that doesn’t sound that meaningful but the Kremlin is clearly concerned about it.
There is no magic number, there is no mythical "Oh but as soon as St Petersburg?Moscow starts seeing death they'll stop" - Russia is doing what Russia always does and wanting to pretend that there is some line in the sand on casualty numbers just doesn't recognise the reality of the situation, and to be blunt comes across in the same vein as "once they get Javlin/NLAW - once they get HIMARS - once they get StormShadow - Once they get Challenger 2/Abrams - once they get ATACMS - once they get F-16's" etc etc as being wishful hoping for a single thing that will suddenly win the war, rather than something based on reality where this will only be won/lost based on Putin and what he wants, absolutely nothing else will change that.
IanH755 said:
The concern is that this will be over (one way or another) BEFORE Russia hits this mythical "number of deaths" which will suddenly, almost magically, change everything about how Russia has been fighting for the past 100+ years.
There is no magic number, there is no mythical "Oh but as soon as St Petersburg?Moscow starts seeing death they'll stop" - Russia is doing what Russia always does and wanting to pretend that there is some line in the sand on casualty numbers just doesn't recognise the reality of the situation, and to be blunt comes across in the same vein as "once they get Javlin/NLAW - once they get HIMARS - once they get StormShadow - Once they get Challenger 2/Abrams - once they get ATACMS - once they get F-16's" etc etc as being wishful hoping for a single thing that will suddenly win the war, rather than something based on reality where this will only be won/lost based on Putin and what he wants, absolutely nothing else will change that.
Agree with that. I think that is why Crimea is absolutely pivotal There is no magic number, there is no mythical "Oh but as soon as St Petersburg?Moscow starts seeing death they'll stop" - Russia is doing what Russia always does and wanting to pretend that there is some line in the sand on casualty numbers just doesn't recognise the reality of the situation, and to be blunt comes across in the same vein as "once they get Javlin/NLAW - once they get HIMARS - once they get StormShadow - Once they get Challenger 2/Abrams - once they get ATACMS - once they get F-16's" etc etc as being wishful hoping for a single thing that will suddenly win the war, rather than something based on reality where this will only be won/lost based on Putin and what he wants, absolutely nothing else will change that.
If Ukraine can make life difficult for the Russians in Crimea I think that then makes things more difficult for Putin. If that bridge goes down and Ukraine can in any meaningful way exert pressure on the land bridge that surely has to be unsettling ? 2 million “Russian” civilians on a piece of territory that will become quite difficult to keep supplied.
So the sanctions basically don’t work. North Korea can get whatever it needs which then sells to Russia. Russia sells all its goods to most of the world’s countries via various means, albeit at reduced market rate as other countries squeeze a better deal. Russian oligarchs still have all their wealth and property in safe countries such as, err uk.
We should be more proactive in giving Ukraine what it needs and stop trying to mildly appease / not escalate.
We should be more proactive in giving Ukraine what it needs and stop trying to mildly appease / not escalate.
Cheib said:
IanH755 said:
The concern is that this will be over (one way or another) BEFORE Russia hits this mythical "number of deaths" which will suddenly, almost magically, change everything about how Russia has been fighting for the past 100+ years.
There is no magic number, there is no mythical "Oh but as soon as St Petersburg?Moscow starts seeing death they'll stop" - Russia is doing what Russia always does and wanting to pretend that there is some line in the sand on casualty numbers just doesn't recognise the reality of the situation, and to be blunt comes across in the same vein as "once they get Javlin/NLAW - once they get HIMARS - once they get StormShadow - Once they get Challenger 2/Abrams - once they get ATACMS - once they get F-16's" etc etc as being wishful hoping for a single thing that will suddenly win the war, rather than something based on reality where this will only be won/lost based on Putin and what he wants, absolutely nothing else will change that.
Agree with that. I think that is why Crimea is absolutely pivotal There is no magic number, there is no mythical "Oh but as soon as St Petersburg?Moscow starts seeing death they'll stop" - Russia is doing what Russia always does and wanting to pretend that there is some line in the sand on casualty numbers just doesn't recognise the reality of the situation, and to be blunt comes across in the same vein as "once they get Javlin/NLAW - once they get HIMARS - once they get StormShadow - Once they get Challenger 2/Abrams - once they get ATACMS - once they get F-16's" etc etc as being wishful hoping for a single thing that will suddenly win the war, rather than something based on reality where this will only be won/lost based on Putin and what he wants, absolutely nothing else will change that.
If Ukraine can make life difficult for the Russians in Crimea I think that then makes things more difficult for Putin. If that bridge goes down and Ukraine can in any meaningful way exert pressure on the land bridge that surely has to be unsettling ? 2 million “Russian” civilians on a piece of territory that will become quite difficult to keep supplied.
Bright Halo said:
This is an interesting and scary article about N Korea’s manufacture and supply of missiles into Russia.
Missiles manufactured using American components despite all the sanctions.
7,000 containers shipped from N Korea to Russia!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-68933778
I read this earlier, Cold War stuff in the modern era. Missiles manufactured using American components despite all the sanctions.
7,000 containers shipped from N Korea to Russia!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-68933778
Surely they have the bloody intelligence in the US to know North Korea is buying microchips. Why they are buying from the US is interesting, surely Taiwan is an easier smuggle.
pinchmeimdreamin said:
loafer123 said:
And how exactly does that help if they drop the bridge ?The piece of land that connects Crimea to the rest of Ukraine is going to present issues for both sides if/when it becomes contested. There’s a lot of water/marshland there with only a few bridges/roads that run across it. It will make it very difficult for Ukraine to attack but if your aim is to cut Crimea off it also makes it relatively easy for them to make those few transport links very difficult to use. I think they’ve have already taken out one of the bridges out with a Stormshadow which I am sure has been repaired by now.
IanH755 said:
The concern is that this will be over (one way or another) BEFORE Russia hits this mythical "number of deaths" which will suddenly, almost magically, change everything about how Russia has been fighting for the past 100+ years.
There is no magic number, there is no mythical "Oh but as soon as St Petersburg?Moscow starts seeing death they'll stop" - Russia is doing what Russia always does and wanting to pretend that there is some line in the sand on casualty numbers just doesn't recognise the reality of the situation, and to be blunt comes across in the same vein as "once they get Javlin/NLAW - once they get HIMARS - once they get StormShadow - Once they get Challenger 2/Abrams - once they get ATACMS - once they get F-16's" etc etc as being wishful hoping for a single thing that will suddenly win the war, rather than something based on reality where this will only be won/lost based on Putin and what he wants, absolutely nothing else will change that.
^ this. And they keep importing cheap meat of no consequence to them or the Russian public in any way, shape or form. Find deprived, ill educated nation, use chump change (if you actually do ever pay them) to triangulate the snipers.There is no magic number, there is no mythical "Oh but as soon as St Petersburg?Moscow starts seeing death they'll stop" - Russia is doing what Russia always does and wanting to pretend that there is some line in the sand on casualty numbers just doesn't recognise the reality of the situation, and to be blunt comes across in the same vein as "once they get Javlin/NLAW - once they get HIMARS - once they get StormShadow - Once they get Challenger 2/Abrams - once they get ATACMS - once they get F-16's" etc etc as being wishful hoping for a single thing that will suddenly win the war, rather than something based on reality where this will only be won/lost based on Putin and what he wants, absolutely nothing else will change that.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68949298
macron said:
IanH755 said:
The concern is that this will be over (one way or another) BEFORE Russia hits this mythical "number of deaths" which will suddenly, almost magically, change everything about how Russia has been fighting for the past 100+ years.
There is no magic number, there is no mythical "Oh but as soon as St Petersburg?Moscow starts seeing death they'll stop" - Russia is doing what Russia always does and wanting to pretend that there is some line in the sand on casualty numbers just doesn't recognise the reality of the situation, and to be blunt comes across in the same vein as "once they get Javlin/NLAW - once they get HIMARS - once they get StormShadow - Once they get Challenger 2/Abrams - once they get ATACMS - once they get F-16's" etc etc as being wishful hoping for a single thing that will suddenly win the war, rather than something based on reality where this will only be won/lost based on Putin and what he wants, absolutely nothing else will change that.
^ this. And they keep importing cheap meat of no consequence to them or the Russian public in any way, shape or form. Find deprived, ill educated nation, use chump change (if you actually do ever pay them) to triangulate the snipers.There is no magic number, there is no mythical "Oh but as soon as St Petersburg?Moscow starts seeing death they'll stop" - Russia is doing what Russia always does and wanting to pretend that there is some line in the sand on casualty numbers just doesn't recognise the reality of the situation, and to be blunt comes across in the same vein as "once they get Javlin/NLAW - once they get HIMARS - once they get StormShadow - Once they get Challenger 2/Abrams - once they get ATACMS - once they get F-16's" etc etc as being wishful hoping for a single thing that will suddenly win the war, rather than something based on reality where this will only be won/lost based on Putin and what he wants, absolutely nothing else will change that.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68949298
borcy said:
That was a seriously intense video, amazing bravery from the soldiers and reporters.CT05 Nose Cone said:
borcy said:
That was a seriously intense video, amazing bravery from the soldiers and reporters.I have seen some of their videos on telegram before but I have now subscribed to their YouTube channel.
Intense and depressing at the same time, I suspect that video represents most of the frontline for Ukraine.
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