Potholes - Porsche Driver Killed

[Unreal]

bigothunter said:

Unreal said:

The pothole being discussed is clearly visible. It's not concealed around a hairpin. The accident happened in daylight and dry conditions. Have a look round.

https://www.google.com/maps/@50.9963213,-0.5908678...

So is the unfortunate Porsche driver guilty of Driving Without Due Care & Attention?

God knows how you've come to that conclusion.

The pothole being discussed is clearly visible. It's not concealed around a hairpin. The accident happened in daylight and dry conditions. These are facts. The precise circumstances of the accident will hopefully be revealed by the official investigation.

[Bonefish Blues]

Unreal said:

bigothunter said:

Unreal said:

The pothole being discussed is clearly visible. It's not concealed around a hairpin. The accident happened in daylight and dry conditions. Have a look round.

https://www.google.com/maps/@50.9963213,-0.5908678...

So is the unfortunate Porsche driver guilty of Driving Without Due Care & Attention?

God knows how you've come to that conclusion.

The pothole being discussed is clearly visible. It's not concealed around a hairpin. The accident happened in daylight and dry conditions. These are facts. The precise circumstances of the accident will hopefully be revealed by the official investigation.

I wonder how much influence LHD had on things - looking at the drain cover, there's room to put wheels to the LHS of it, which is what most people would have done there as an instinct, even if they didn't see it until late.

[bigothunter]

Unreal said:

bigothunter said:

Unreal said:

The pothole being discussed is clearly visible. It's not concealed around a hairpin. The accident happened in daylight and dry conditions. Have a look round.

https://www.google.com/maps/@50.9963213,-0.5908678...

So is the unfortunate Porsche driver guilty of Driving Without Due Care & Attention?

God knows how you've come to that conclusion.

The pothole being discussed is clearly visible. It's not concealed around a hairpin. The accident happened in daylight and dry conditions. These are facts. The precise circumstances of the accident will hopefully be revealed by the official investigation.

It's not a conclusion, it's a question. That's why I used a question mark which is clearly visible.

Your statement suggests that the driver exhibited insufficient observation. This can be interpreted as DWDCA.

[Gary C]

Forester1965 said:

Gary C said:

This is of course true.

In extremis, the driver should have taken the wheel damage than put the car into the path of another car.

But, the condition of the roads is appalling.

You can't demand rational reactions from all drivers to what for many people will be a surprise, last minute obstacle. Some will have the agility of mind to accept the damage because they can't say for sure it's safe to swerve around it. Others won't.

Yes, I agree

Sort of what I meant. Yes we know what he should have done but people do the wrong things, sometimes just by reaction.

We can all make suppositions about the driving but we don't know exactly.

The roads shouldn't be as bad as they are.

[GT9]

Unreal said:

God knows how you've come to that conclusion.

The pothole being discussed is clearly visible. It's not concealed around a hairpin. The accident happened in daylight and dry conditions. These are facts. The precise circumstances of the accident will hopefully be revealed by the official investigation.

You have to feel sorry for the home owner.
The intrusive damage to the Porsche's left hand door (driver's door) looks consistent with hitting solid bits of the house.
Knowing someone died on your front doorstep is a horrible thing to deal with, and you'd also naturally be wary of using that front entrance from now on.

[Unreal]

bigothunter said:

Unreal said:

bigothunter said:

Unreal said:

The pothole being discussed is clearly visible. It's not concealed around a hairpin. The accident happened in daylight and dry conditions. Have a look round.

https://www.google.com/maps/@50.9963213,-0.5908678...

So is the unfortunate Porsche driver guilty of Driving Without Due Care & Attention?

God knows how you've come to that conclusion.

The pothole being discussed is clearly visible. It's not concealed around a hairpin. The accident happened in daylight and dry conditions. These are facts. The precise circumstances of the accident will hopefully be revealed by the official investigation.

It's not a conclusion, it's a question. That's why I used a question mark which is clearly visible.

Your statement suggests that the driver exhibited insufficient observation. This can be interpreted as DWDCA.

I can't answer a question without knowing all the facts. I know some but not all of them. That's why I want to see the investigator's report.

My statement suggests nothing of the sort.

[bigothunter]

Unreal said:

bigothunter said:

Unreal said:

bigothunter said:

Unreal said:

The pothole being discussed is clearly visible. It's not concealed around a hairpin. The accident happened in daylight and dry conditions. Have a look round.

https://www.google.com/maps/@50.9963213,-0.5908678...

So is the unfortunate Porsche driver guilty of Driving Without Due Care & Attention?

God knows how you've come to that conclusion.

The pothole being discussed is clearly visible. It's not concealed around a hairpin. The accident happened in daylight and dry conditions. These are facts. The precise circumstances of the accident will hopefully be revealed by the official investigation.

It's not a conclusion, it's a question. That's why I used a question mark which is clearly visible.

Your statement suggests that the driver exhibited insufficient observation. This can be interpreted as DWDCA.

I can't answer a question without knowing all the facts. I know some but not all of them. That's why I want to see the investigator's report.

My statement suggests nothing of the sort.

Then you need to be more careful with the written word.

[Unreal]

bigothunter said:

Unreal said:

bigothunter said:

Unreal said:

bigothunter said:

Unreal said:

The pothole being discussed is clearly visible. It's not concealed around a hairpin. The accident happened in daylight and dry conditions. Have a look round.

https://www.google.com/maps/@50.9963213,-0.5908678...

So is the unfortunate Porsche driver guilty of Driving Without Due Care & Attention?

God knows how you've come to that conclusion.

The pothole being discussed is clearly visible. It's not concealed around a hairpin. The accident happened in daylight and dry conditions. These are facts. The precise circumstances of the accident will hopefully be revealed by the official investigation.

It's not a conclusion, it's a question. That's why I used a question mark which is clearly visible.

Your statement suggests that the driver exhibited insufficient observation. This can be interpreted as DWDCA.

I can't answer a question without knowing all the facts. I know some but not all of them. That's why I want to see the investigator's report.

My statement suggests nothing of the sort.

Then you need to be more careful with the written word.

No, you need to work on your verbal reasoning skills.

[Unreal]

GT9 said:

Unreal said:

God knows how you've come to that conclusion.

The pothole being discussed is clearly visible. It's not concealed around a hairpin. The accident happened in daylight and dry conditions. These are facts. The precise circumstances of the accident will hopefully be revealed by the official investigation.

You have to feel sorry for the home owner.
The intrusive damage to the Porsche's left hand door (driver's door) looks consistent with hitting solid bits of the house.
Knowing someone died on your front doorstep is a horrible thing to deal with, and you'd also naturally be wary of using that front entrance from now on.

If the sun shines later I might be driving the road between Midhurst and Billingshurst. The accident scene is roughly midway between the two. I reckon it would take no more than ten minutes to capture a piece of idiotic and illegal driving from a biker or car driver on an average Sunday or Bank Holiday. Forum users will have an area they identify with in their own area. It's a popular road for enthusiastic drivers and riders and therefore attracts a higher proportion than usual of people whose ambition exceeds their ability. Groups are the worst. The desire to keep the group intact seems to override all else, exhibited in everything from overtaking on double whites to bikers organising rolling road blocks to let group members catch up.

[Jader1973]

Down my way the solution is simple - just lower the speed limit.

Road between the town I live in and the next one over - was 100 km/h - big section down to 60. Been like that for over 12 months.

Further out there is one that was 80 and is down to 40 for a huge stretch. Been like that for at least 18 months.

The Victorian Government ran out of money thanks to Covid and now can’t afford to maintain anything outside Greater Melbourne. They’d rather spend cash to build infrastructure in the city and keep all the Labor voting, Union member, tradie morons happy.

[popeyewhite]

I've nearly hit an oncoming car swerving to avoid a pothole. No speeding or DWDC. My guess he was doing about 30 in a 30. His fault? No, the council's.

[ferret50]

A large part of this is the current obsesion with very low profile tyres and very large diameter wheels.

Whist tyre design has proggessed to give us these low profile tyres, road technoligy has failed to keep up and give us the billiard table surface that is needed to use them properly.

Perhaps we should restrict the use of these tyres to places that provide a more suitable surface?

[Nomme de Plum]

popeyewhite said:

I've nearly hit an oncoming car swerving to avoid a pothole. No speeding or DWDC. My guess he was doing about 30 in a 30. His fault? No, the council's.

Why do you think it's a 30MPH zone. Have you not looked at the location map that has been posted? There is little likelihood an accident would have happened if the car was driving at 30MPH (13.4m/s) .

We are all responsible for our own safety and wellbeing and driving the conditions. That includes taking cognisance of the risk of potholes. They are not new and have been highlighted as a problem for years.

No doubt there will be an inquest and evidence produced which may clarify better what actually happened.

Edited by Nomme de Plum on Monday 6th May 11:02

[bigothunter]

Unreal said:

No, you need to work on your verbal reasoning skills.

Please try to make sense, dear boy

[popeyewhite]

Nomme de Plum said:

Why do you think it's a 30MPH zone.

Edited by Nomme de Plum on Monday 6th May 11:02

I was there, it's my personal experience, not the OP's I'm commenting on.

Wind your neck in a bit and you might have realised that.

[Sicksilinda]

This is one major reason why I don’t drive anywhere without Waze running nowadays. RIP.

[bodhi]

Horrible tragic accident

I find it hard to believe it was caused by the Porsche driver driving too fast - simply as it was I doubt the Police would have mentioned the pothole at all - they'd have led with he was driving too fast for the conditions.

I do like how the resident PH expert on everything seems to know better than the Police who attended the scene and spoke to witnesses however.

[808 Estate]

Round here, the council would rather spend what little money they have on stupid cycle lanes leaving nothing left for road surfaces.

I also get annoyed by entitled drivers swerving to avoid pot holes and coming into the opposite lane in front of you. Its like they expect you to slow down for them. wkers.

[911Spanker]

bodhi said:

Horrible tragic accident

I find it hard to believe it was caused by the Porsche driver driving too fast - simply as it was I doubt the Police would have mentioned the pothole at all - they'd have led with he was driving too fast for the conditions.

I do like how the resident PH expert on everything seems to know better than the Police who attended the scene and spoke to witnesses however.

Yep..got to love our PH experts.

[slk 32]

bigothunter said:

Super Sonic said:

Nomme de Plum said:

There is only one person responsible and unfortunately he has died.

Nomme de Plum said:

PH seems to attract a few posters who like to point the finger. It is rarely so black and white in real life.

Hoist by his own petard!