Teacher guilty of sex with two boys

[Randy Winkman]

JackJarvis said:

Pit Pony said:

bhstewie said:

That's a very interesting way of framing it.

The second lad contacted her. Do you think that was out of the goodness of his heart or the knowledge that she would respond to the attention? An ulterior motive if you like.

Obviously she shouldn't have responded by having any sort of relationship with him, but he knew what he was doing.

I doubt his life is as fked as hers right now.

The fact that he became a father as a result, at the age of 15, would suggest otherwise.

I agree and that's why I asked if we know what he thinks about being a father. Of a child in care as well. And he will presumably/hopefully be the father forever as he moves through his life and probably has another family and children. He might be very happy with that but it might be a big regret. Lots of "mights" but that's one of the reasons for the age of concent I think.

[BigMon]

andyA700 said:

So, by the rules that people on here have been talking about, what is wrong with that? Why was it OK for Macron's former teacher, now his wife, to have sex with him when he was 15, when it was NOT legal in France (the law was changed in 2021).
I cannot believe the double standards on this forum.
I was working at 16, there were quite a few 30 year old women I fancied.

Double standards?

As far as I can see there are a load of people saying quite clearly it is never right for someone who is nearly 30 to be having sex with a child and who have been criticised for 'faux outrage' amongst other things.

Then we have others who say it's wrong but............

Before then introducing a load of rather odd semantics and mitigation for whatever reason they have.

[Electro1980]

andyA700 said:

So, by the rules that people on here have been talking about, what is wrong with that? Why was it OK for Macron's former teacher, now his wife, to have sex with him when he was 15, when it was NOT legal in France (the law was changed in 2021).
I cannot believe the double standards on this forum.
I was working at 16, there were quite a few 30 year old women I fancied.

Who said Macron was ok? As far I can see you keep repeating that and hoping someone agrees with you, and no one has.

The vast majority definitely haven’t. The only double standards are the ones who think it’s different if the genders are reversed.

[bitchstewie]

Pit Pony said:

bhstewie said:

That's a very interesting way of framing it.

The second lad contacted her. Do you think that was out of the goodness of his heart or the knowledge that she would respond to the attention? An ulterior motive if you like.

Obviously she shouldn't have responded by having any sort of relationship with him, but he knew what he was doing.

I doubt his life is as fked as hers right now.

He's now a father so how do you think "he knew what he was doing" is working out for him?

Do you think some of those girls in Rotherham or other children who have been abused by people in a position of power contacted their abusers?

Another one trying to balance how wrong it was with how much he must have loved it.

[119]

bhstewie said:

Pit Pony said:

bhstewie said:

That's a very interesting way of framing it.

The second lad contacted her. Do you think that was out of the goodness of his heart or the knowledge that she would respond to the attention? An ulterior motive if you like.

Obviously she shouldn't have responded by having any sort of relationship with him, but he knew what he was doing.

I doubt his life is as fked as hers right now.

He's now a father so how do you think "he knew what he was doing" is working out for him?

Do you think some of those girls in Rotherham or other children who have been abused by people in a position of power contacted their abusers?

Another one trying to balance how wrong it was with how much he must have loved it.

Facts are quite frustrating aren't they?

[Oakey]

andyA700 said:

I was working at 16, there were quite a few 30 year old women I fancied.

Which is totally understandable for a 16yr old, one presumes that when you were 30 you didn't fancy 16yr olds?

You seem unable to grasp that one is a teenager and the other is an adult that should know better, and that applies to Macron's wife.

[Rufus Stone]

Age gap police.

[Randy Winkman]

Rufus Stone said:

Age gap police.

Is age relevant at all then or are there no rules in that respect? I ask because I assume (hope) you have some rules? In which case the only issue would be that yours might be different from someone elses.

[Rufus Stone]

Randy Winkman said:

Is age relevant at all then or are there no rules in that respect? I ask because I assume (hope) you have some rules? In which case the only issue would be that yours might be different from someone elses.

The Law is the rule. Everything else is personal choice.

[bitchstewie]

119 said:

Facts are quite frustrating aren't they?

Not really.

She's almost certainly going to prison for fking kids.

Those are the facts.

If you and a few others want to try to balance that with variants of "bet they loved every minute" be my guest.

[119]

bhstewie said:

119 said:

Facts are quite frustrating aren't they?

Not really.

She's almost certainly going to prison for fking kids.

Those are the facts.

If you and a few others want to try to balance that with variants of "they loved every minute" be my guest.

Where did I say that specifically?

Oh yeah, I didn’t as it’s all in your head.

Well done.

[BigMon]

119 said:

Where did I say that specifically?

Oh yeah, I didn’t as it’s all in your head.

Well done.

So what exactly are your views on it then? All you seem to have done is post sarky comments, why not say exactly what you think about it instead.

[Randy Winkman]

Rufus Stone said:

Randy Winkman said:

Is age relevant at all then or are there no rules in that respect? I ask because I assume (hope) you have some rules? In which case the only issue would be that yours might be different from someone elses.

The Law is the rule. Everything else is personal choice.

Cheers. And I think age gap is part of the law when it comes to people under 16. That's just an observation by the way - not a dig at you. I'm getting a bit lost on relevance of the age gap point for over 16s where I dont think the law comes into it. That might be your point.

[Muzzer79]

Skeptisk said:

Just so that we can be clear on your position. If the boy had been a few months older and 16 and she was a 30 year old neighbour, rather than his teacher, would you still see that as grooming and abuse?

But he wasn't and she wasn't.

The simple facts are that a line has to be drawn at a certain age, whether you agree with it or not. In this case, that line was crossed.

Also, a simple rationalisation has to be made in that if this was a 30 year old teacher and a 15 year old schoolgirl, would all the posters on this thread be rushing to mitigate the circumstances then? Because the exact same principles apply.

[TorqueVR]

I've not read the whole thread, but this was very similar and she got 12 month and 10 years on the sex offenders register. PC Laura Davies, of the Sexual Offences, Exploitation and Child Abuse Command at the Metropolitan Police, said: "Cox abused her position of trust as a teacher and groomed the boy which went on to sexual abuse". That seems like good summary to me

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36336092

[Mr Penguin]

TorqueVR said:

I've not read the whole thread, but this was very similar and she got 12 month and 10 years on the sex offenders register. PC Laura Davies, of the Sexual Offences, Exploitation and Child Abuse Command at the Metropolitan Police, said: "Cox abused her position of trust as a teacher and groomed the boy which went on to sexual abuse". That seems like good summary to me

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36336092

It is a different crime - the child in that case was 16 so the relevant crime is that the child was under 18 and she was in a position of trust (the one for this thread was 15 so the crime is just sexual activity with a child).

This case has a few other factors that will increase the sentence, mainly the pregnancy and not pleading guilty as well as being a more serious crime.

[TorqueVR]

Comments noted, I hadn't realised the significance of being 15 instead of 16

[Lotobear]

Surprising how common this seems to be in teachers - I recall a female teacher at school when we were around 12 (she'd be early 20's perhaps) who used to (with hindsight) clearly feel some of the boys up, myself included. We never thought it particularly odd and actually quite enjoyed the attention from a mature woman and I have a very distinct feeling it is likely to have led to more had the opportunity arisen. That never happened and so I don't know how I might have reacted - confused perhaps but certainly not permanently damaged. I do think there is a distinction when it's female to male.

In the same vein I had sex with my first girlfriend when she was 16 and I was 15 - guess that makes her a statutory rapist?

[JackJarvis]

Lotobear said:

Surprising how common this seems to be in teachers - I recall a female teacher at school when we were around 12 (she'd be early 20's perhaps) who used to (with hindsight) clearly feel some of the boys up, myself included. We never thought it particularly odd and actually quite enjoyed the attention from a mature woman and I have a very distinct feeling it is likely to have led to more had the opportunity arisen. That never happened and so I don't know how I might have reacted - confused perhaps but certainly not permanently damaged. I do think there is a distinction when it's female to male.

I've got a very clear memory of being about 10 and our female primary teacher (she seemed about 40, was was probably 25 at the time) made all the boys line up and take turns to kiss her on the lips. I remember one of my classmates refused and got shouted at. The teacher disappeared not long after and we had various supply teachers for the rest of the year. I've no idea what happened to her and it isn't something I'd say damaged me in any way.. but it's stuck in my mind, it's probably the only thing I can remember about that school year.

I also had this horrible prick as my high school music teacher, but fortunately for me I wasn't his type.

Edited by JackJarvis on Monday 20th May 21:09

[mwstewart]

Getting pregnant and keeping it is the worst part for me. I feel so sorry for the lad - a bit of fun with someone supposed to be mature and his life is basically ruined.

She's beyond a bit naughty and is clearly quite mental.