675LT -- 812 - thoughts?
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I thought I would never sell my 675LT - it still makes me weak at the knees when I look at it
But I don't use it enough given how harsh the ride is - any date night with my wife will always be in one of the other cars.
The kids go in the 911 [restomod] given I can get them both in there and the LT seats are far too low for them (even with their seats).
I've never had a v12, let alone a Ferrari one and I've always been in love with the F12's (which are still an option). There's a chance I've been offered a swap into an 812 that will prob cost £10k, which seems v compelling to me.
Any thoughts on the difference? Will I regret it?
The question still stands even if I don't get the 812 deal ... as I would still take it all into consideration and for switching into an F12 too
p.s. there's a reason I'm posting this in the v12 section....
But I don't use it enough given how harsh the ride is - any date night with my wife will always be in one of the other cars.
The kids go in the 911 [restomod] given I can get them both in there and the LT seats are far too low for them (even with their seats).
I've never had a v12, let alone a Ferrari one and I've always been in love with the F12's (which are still an option). There's a chance I've been offered a swap into an 812 that will prob cost £10k, which seems v compelling to me.
Any thoughts on the difference? Will I regret it?
The question still stands even if I don't get the 812 deal ... as I would still take it all into consideration and for switching into an F12 too
p.s. there's a reason I'm posting this in the v12 section....
This is a good read for you, especially the comments section. F12 over 812.. sad to let go of 675 LT, amazing car, had one from new but had teething problems and wasn’t too happy with McLaren service at the time and sold within 6 months. Ferrari V12 is an itch that you need to scratch, either F12 or 812 is a great car, but I’m biased to F12, have one, could have bought 812, but F12 looks sensational even 10 yrs later, has no RWS gizmo, has hydraulic steering and last Pininfarina design Ferrari. Just gets better looking over time, just like most Pininfarina designs. Can’t go wrong at the moment with either, both will hold up well with 812 replacement costing £425/£450k in May, shame that the 675 LT has to go.
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Not that it would change your decision but I suspect if your 675LT ride is really that harsh, there's a good chance one or more of the fluid suspension units has failed. It's a fairly common failure on the Super Series cars and harsh ride is the symptom. If you've not already investigated this, I'd take it to V Engineering and they can check the car over. (Last time I was there they also had a Miura, Daytona, Testarossa and several 575s in the shop also).
Thanks for the above.
The car was recently serviced by MBrum and had it all checked. I use "harsh" loosely...its an LT after all.
Replacement of 812 will be considerably more expensive I agree - and also a long lead time - so I don't think they will have that much of a downward price pressure (depreciation not the driver behind decision, but still).
The car was recently serviced by MBrum and had it all checked. I use "harsh" loosely...its an LT after all.
Replacement of 812 will be considerably more expensive I agree - and also a long lead time - so I don't think they will have that much of a downward price pressure (depreciation not the driver behind decision, but still).
U.N. said:
Thanks for the above.
Replacement of 812 will be considerably more expensive I agree - and also a long lead time - so I don't think they will have that much of a downward price pressure (depreciation not the driver behind decision, but still).
Every V12 Ferrari regular production vehicle had depreciated hugely in its first 12-24 months post release. Why would this be any different? If anything, it’s elevated price and requirement to load the options to get an early slot means it’s even more likely to happen.Replacement of 812 will be considerably more expensive I agree - and also a long lead time - so I don't think they will have that much of a downward price pressure (depreciation not the driver behind decision, but still).
Don’t even get me started on the “last of the V12”. There’ll also be a limited run version, which is where any ‘investment’ value will lie (just seen the delivery miles Competitione at Nottingham up for £1.4 million - and they built 1,000 of them!)
Had similar thoughts and think i’m going for a 675. But a Ferrari V12 is an itch that needs to be scratched. I would go F12 over 812 for the reasons above
I also toyed with the idea of a 675 and V12 Vantage. Its not a Ferrari and the engine isn’t as special, but you can get a manual (if that floats your boat) and its a completely different price point to enable and-rather-than-or man maths
I also toyed with the idea of a 675 and V12 Vantage. Its not a Ferrari and the engine isn’t as special, but you can get a manual (if that floats your boat) and its a completely different price point to enable and-rather-than-or man maths
I feel your paIn OP.
After 3 magnificent years of 675LT ownership and no issues, I have decided to part way with mines and dropped it off yesterday.
New work commitments are severely reducing my opportunities to use the car, so giving it a whirl to see if a new custodian can be found.
I would be amazed if I could find anything to replace it with in the future that ticks as many boxes, so almost hope it doesn't sell and in 6mths my workload changes and I can collect it again!
Best of luck in your search.
After 3 magnificent years of 675LT ownership and no issues, I have decided to part way with mines and dropped it off yesterday.
New work commitments are severely reducing my opportunities to use the car, so giving it a whirl to see if a new custodian can be found.
I would be amazed if I could find anything to replace it with in the future that ticks as many boxes, so almost hope it doesn't sell and in 6mths my workload changes and I can collect it again!
Best of luck in your search.
I did similar and went from a Speciale to an 812. There were a few issues with my car when it was delivered but it's not just these that saw me keeping my 812 for less than a year. (it's just been resold to a 5th owner). Unless you want a complete change it's not something I'd suggest.
If you're thinking of a V12 move I'd look at an F12 as a possible better bet. It has almost all the performance and is also a proper GT if you need it - the 812, in my experience, isn't that.
If you love the dynamics of your 675, the 812 is a lot different and, apart from the engine note, I didn't see any areas where it was 'more'.
I know some people love their 812's but moving from a Speciale, I struggled a bit to see who this car was aimed at, maybe I expected it to be stronger as a GT.
You mentioned the seats in the 675 - if that's an issue you'll see the same in an 812 with the carbon buckets, and the passenger seat can't be raised (was a 1,400 option on the driver's seat only). When it was in the garage, when we took anything out, it ended up being a rare choice before I finally sold it. My gf at the time was short and struggled to see out and short of putting a cushion on the seat, there was nothing to do about it.
A lot of people love their 812's I know, but having moved from a similar car to what you're thinking about chopping in, I just never got on with mine.
If you're thinking of a V12 move I'd look at an F12 as a possible better bet. It has almost all the performance and is also a proper GT if you need it - the 812, in my experience, isn't that.
If you love the dynamics of your 675, the 812 is a lot different and, apart from the engine note, I didn't see any areas where it was 'more'.
I know some people love their 812's but moving from a Speciale, I struggled a bit to see who this car was aimed at, maybe I expected it to be stronger as a GT.
You mentioned the seats in the 675 - if that's an issue you'll see the same in an 812 with the carbon buckets, and the passenger seat can't be raised (was a 1,400 option on the driver's seat only). When it was in the garage, when we took anything out, it ended up being a rare choice before I finally sold it. My gf at the time was short and struggled to see out and short of putting a cushion on the seat, there was nothing to do about it.
A lot of people love their 812's I know, but having moved from a similar car to what you're thinking about chopping in, I just never got on with mine.
Edited by Johnnyforeigner on Saturday 17th February 16:16
Edited by Johnnyforeigner on Saturday 17th February 16:22
Interesting question. I got my F12 just over a year ago. Had considered the 675LT vs F12/812 for a long time before making my choice. They are obviously very different propositions as you know. And both have far more performance than you will ever be able to use on a public road. I chose the Ferrari knowing that I could always sell it on and move to a 675 at a later date. My reasons for picking the Ferrari came down to the fact that I had never had a V12 Ferrari - and just had to scratch the itch. It’s also a much easier car for the wife to get on with as it’s viable on long trips. Equally, it’s hilarious fun on short blasts. Plus the music from the V12 is simply epic - at any revs, and any speed. It’s an emotion pleaser. So bottom line - go in knowing it’s a psycho GT and you won’t be disappointed.
As for 812 vs F12 - there are fans of both, so pick the one you prefer the look of. They are both amazing.
I’ve ignored the topic of economics as I’m assuming you have done your homework and don’t need a regurgitation of the obvious points.
As for 812 vs F12 - there are fans of both, so pick the one you prefer the look of. They are both amazing.
I’ve ignored the topic of economics as I’m assuming you have done your homework and don’t need a regurgitation of the obvious points.
The 675 does what an LT does very well.
An F12 does everything else better.
An 812 does everything else worse than an F12. In a super size me fat suit. Unless you are one of those grown adult men who thinks having rear wheel steer makes some kind of meaningful difference to your existence. Which is basically the car equivalent to those grown adults who discuss comic books.
An F12 does everything else better.
An 812 does everything else worse than an F12. In a super size me fat suit. Unless you are one of those grown adult men who thinks having rear wheel steer makes some kind of meaningful difference to your existence. Which is basically the car equivalent to those grown adults who discuss comic books.
I’ve not driven an 812 so won’t confess to being a subject matter specialist, that being said, I’ll input my 2 pence. The one time I’ve driven an F12, although it’s not where my Ferrari passions lie, it was a fantastic thing, beyond the noise and performance it felt very poised on the road without being excessively firm and ‘crashy’ and certainly going to be a nicer ride than the 675.
The 812 by all accounts only improves upon the F12 performance abilities……however, on the road, not once did I find the F12 ‘wanting’, you can’t use all it has to give on the road, so I’d struggle to justify the extra £80-£100k for an 812, if the 812 was to be the last V12 Ferrari then maybe you could justify some investment value, but it’s not.
Personally, I’d choose the F12 and spend the difference on this for a track toy
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The 812 by all accounts only improves upon the F12 performance abilities……however, on the road, not once did I find the F12 ‘wanting’, you can’t use all it has to give on the road, so I’d struggle to justify the extra £80-£100k for an 812, if the 812 was to be the last V12 Ferrari then maybe you could justify some investment value, but it’s not.
Personally, I’d choose the F12 and spend the difference on this for a track toy
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DeejRC said:
The 675 does what an LT does very well.
An F12 does everything else better.
An 812 does everything else worse than an F12. In a super size me fat suit. Unless you are one of those grown adult men who thinks having rear wheel steer makes some kind of meaningful difference to your existence. Which is basically the car equivalent to those grown adults who discuss comic books.
I'm assuming you have owned all 3 at some stage?An F12 does everything else better.
An 812 does everything else worse than an F12. In a super size me fat suit. Unless you are one of those grown adult men who thinks having rear wheel steer makes some kind of meaningful difference to your existence. Which is basically the car equivalent to those grown adults who discuss comic books.
Johnnyforeigner said:
I did similar and went from a Speciale to an 812. There were a few issues with my car when it was delivered but it's not just these that saw me keeping my 812 for less than a year. (it's just been resold to a 5th owner). Unless you want a complete change it's not something I'd suggest.
If you're thinking of a V12 move I'd look at an F12 as a possible better bet. It has almost all the performance and is also a proper GT if you need it - the 812, in my experience, isn't that.
If you love the dynamics of your 675, the 812 is a lot different and, apart from the engine note, I didn't see any areas where it was 'more'.
I know some people love their 812's but moving from a Speciale, I struggled a bit to see who this car was aimed at, maybe I expected it to be stronger as a GT.
You mentioned the seats in the 675 - if that's an issue you'll see the same in an 812 with the carbon buckets, and the passenger seat can't be raised (was a 1,400 option on the driver's seat only). When it was in the garage, when we took anything out, it ended up being a rare choice before I finally sold it. My gf at the time was short and struggled to see out and short of putting a cushion on the seat, there was nothing to do about it.
A lot of people love their 812's I know, but having moved from a similar car to what you're thinking about chopping in, I just never got on with mine.
A speciale has piqued my interest...how did you rate that?If you're thinking of a V12 move I'd look at an F12 as a possible better bet. It has almost all the performance and is also a proper GT if you need it - the 812, in my experience, isn't that.
If you love the dynamics of your 675, the 812 is a lot different and, apart from the engine note, I didn't see any areas where it was 'more'.
I know some people love their 812's but moving from a Speciale, I struggled a bit to see who this car was aimed at, maybe I expected it to be stronger as a GT.
You mentioned the seats in the 675 - if that's an issue you'll see the same in an 812 with the carbon buckets, and the passenger seat can't be raised (was a 1,400 option on the driver's seat only). When it was in the garage, when we took anything out, it ended up being a rare choice before I finally sold it. My gf at the time was short and struggled to see out and short of putting a cushion on the seat, there was nothing to do about it.
A lot of people love their 812's I know, but having moved from a similar car to what you're thinking about chopping in, I just never got on with mine.
Edited by Johnnyforeigner on Saturday 17th February 16:16
Edited by Johnnyforeigner on Saturday 17th February 16:22
Would you get another at any point?
Wheelspinning said:
A speciale has piqued my interest...how did you rate that?
Would you get another at any point?
Not wanting to hijack the OP's thread but just quickly....Would you get another at any point?
Speciale is really a great car, I had mine for about 5 years and a fair few miles. I still look at them occasionally but to be honest it's a Scuderia that I'd get again. I had one before the Speciale and felt like I wasn't quite done with it when I moved to the Speciale.
Not as fast in absolute terms but then how fast do you really need to go 99% of the time? The Speciale helped you go quick, the Scud felt like Kato, urging you to go faster but possibly just to catch you out to teach you a lesson. More of a thrill to drive, more engaging.
Great choice if you fancy one but no, I wouldn't jump back in, even ignoring the question of value.
U.N. said:
I thought I would never sell my 675LT - it still makes me weak at the knees when I look at it
But I don't use it enough given how harsh the ride is - any date night with my wife will always be in one of the other cars.
The kids go in the 911 [restomod] given I can get them both in there and the LT seats are far too low for them (even with their seats).
I've never had a v12, let alone a Ferrari one and I've always been in love with the F12's (which are still an option). There's a chance I've been offered a swap into an 812 that will prob cost £10k, which seems v compelling to me.
Any thoughts on the difference? Will I regret it?
The question still stands even if I don't get the 812 deal ... as I would still take it all into consideration and for switching into an F12 too
p.s. there's a reason I'm posting this in the v12 section....
You 100% need new accumulators! The ride on my 675LT was night and day after I had new accumulators fitted. My wife (who hates harsh rides) requests we use the 675LT over our Boxster Spyder and MX5 as the ride is better and more comfortable. But I don't use it enough given how harsh the ride is - any date night with my wife will always be in one of the other cars.
The kids go in the 911 [restomod] given I can get them both in there and the LT seats are far too low for them (even with their seats).
I've never had a v12, let alone a Ferrari one and I've always been in love with the F12's (which are still an option). There's a chance I've been offered a swap into an 812 that will prob cost £10k, which seems v compelling to me.
Any thoughts on the difference? Will I regret it?
The question still stands even if I don't get the 812 deal ... as I would still take it all into consideration and for switching into an F12 too
p.s. there's a reason I'm posting this in the v12 section....
You can tell if you need new accumulators by cycling through the handling modes. If there is barely any noticeable difference the accumulators have gone. The difference should be night & day.
Go to 'V' and get the re-chargeable ones. Don't listen to the dealer.
I tried a new(ish) V12 Ferrari recently (not going to say which as this is a Ferrari V12 forum and don't want to get into anyone's naughty book) But being polite as possible it's a totally different car, felt big & heavy (compared to the 675LT) Also like it had scuttle shake, even though it was a coupe and the engine sound and good looks were not enough to compensate for the lesser driving dynamics of the 675LT (IMHO), but a Ferrari V12 does have a charm all of its own. The owner I swapped with didn't like my 675LT either so horses for courses, each to their own. We drove both cars back to back so immediate comparison.
I also desperately wanted to scratch the V12 Ferrari 'itch' I've now tried a few different ones and given up, I have decided the 'itch' is a 'rash' and just needs to be left alone to heal, in my case anyway.
If you want a connected, more sporty, adrenalin rush driving experience I think you will regret your decision. You will also visit a lot more petrol stations, 675LT 35-40mpg on m-way, V12 Ferrari 10-15 mpg? You already have a 4 seater for the kids so why another?
Edited by Bispal on Monday 19th February 09:41
Not sure about coming from a 675LT but I took the plunge on an F12 last year and love it. I'm more of a GT FR transaxle man myself and as others have said, prefer the F12 to the 812. The F12 though feels a bit more malleable than the Roma I had before so if you're looking for a harder setup coming from the 675 it might be worth trying the 812.
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