A Controlling Mum, A Sheltered Son And A Foreign Bride
A Controlling Mum, A Sheltered Son And A Foreign Bride
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The Beaver King

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6,095 posts

221 months

Friday 14th June 2013
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Bit of a long one, but I'd be interested in getting people's opinions on this. I'll try to keep it brief, but hitting the key points.


I have a friend (I'll call him John) who is nearly 30. His whole life he has worked for his parents; who own a succesful business moving machinery. He isn't paid a wage as such, he just gets stuff bought for him and the odd bit of liquid cash. He still lives with his parents, although they had a large extension build so he has his own space. He works 6 days a week and about 12 hours a day on average.
All of his bank accounts, phone contracts, bills, general life paperwork are dealt with by his mum who pretty much runs the whole show. He has very little concept of the 'real world' and has no idea about things like credit ratings, paying bills etc.
That said, he is the nicest guy you will ever meet. He do anything, for anyone and is always offering to help out with things. He's a really nice guy and a good friend within our social circle.

His family are currently building a very large villa abroad, which he has been over there dealing with on and off over the last few years. Last year he met a girl (Lisa) and they started dating. John hasn't really had a serious relationship as his life revolves around working for the family, so this was all very new to him.

Initally his mum was very happy for him and loved the fact he had found himself a girlfriend, especially a local as it made things easier for them with regards to building the villa (paperwork etc). Everything was great for 12 months and they decided to get married. A date was booked over there and everything was pretty much sorted.

Last month there was a huge bust up between John's mum and Lisa, resulting in John's mum booking the next available flight back home and promising never to speak to Lisa again. The bust up was basically caused by a power struggle between John's mum and Lisa over control of John. John's mum is extremely controlling and can be unbearable if things are not done her way.

John stayed out there for another few weeks and then drove back with Lisa as we were going as a group on holiday. In the meantime, John's mum had burnt her passport, burnt all the wedding clothes and banned Lisa from coming to the house.

John kind of buried his head in the sand over all of this and was hoping it would blow over, sadly it has not and has now escalated very quickly. Lisa has tried to apologise for things getting heated and she just wants things to go back to normal, John's mum is not interested and completely ignores her.

Over the last few weeks, another friend (Craig) has been dragged into it. He also works for the family, but on a wage. John's mum has been talking to him and said that she will never forgive Lisa and, as his friends, we need to make John realise this. She ask Craig speak to John and convince him to leave Lisa. In the meantime, John's mum has emptied John's bank accounts, removed cash from his bedroom, taken his passport and basically cut him off from the family.

Last night we sat down with John and tried to make him understand how serious this was. John's mum had told Craig to pass on a message to John and make him aware she was eadly serious. He had three choices on her eyes:

1) Leave Lisa, stay in England, they will leave the villa to rot (bearing in mind it's cost them nearly £500,000 to build!) and everything will be forgotten about and go back to normal.

2) Marry her, move to England, work for the business but get paid a wage, have no support from the family and Lisa is not allowed near the house.

3) Marry her, stay in the foreign country and get cut off from the family. End of.

I have never felt so upset/sick/nervous/depressed/shocked as I did last night when I sat down with John and two mates, looked John in the eyes and told him that if he marries the woman he loves then his family will cut him loose forever.

Watching a grown man slowly realise how serious this had come, trying desperately to think of a solution to keep everyone happy, failing and then just cracking up as he realised he was doomed whatever course of action he took. This happy-go-lucky guy suddenly started talking openly about suicide as his whole world came crashing down around him. I have never felt anything like I did last night and I pray to God I never find myself in a similar situation.

The impression Craig gave was that John's mum expected us to convince John to leave Lisa and come back to the family. After a good 4-5 hours of talking, we decided there was only really one course of action.

So last night, at 11pm, we booked a one way ticket to the country where Lisa lives, Craig gave him £600 and picked up the passport from John's mum and then drove him to Gatwick for a 6am flight.

We have no idea if he'll be back, although we are hoping his sudden departure will shock John's mum into realising how crazy she is being and the fact she is driving her son away.

I have no idea why I have written this really, maybe it just seems a little more real.

So yeah, last night I hatched a plan with friends to send our mate to a foreign country to be with the woman he loves and save him from his control freak mother...

Anyway, thanks for letting me vent this smile

ikarl

3,986 posts

225 months

Friday 14th June 2013
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The Beaver King said:
So last night, at 11pm, we booked a one way ticket to the country where Lisa lives, Craig gave him £600 and picked up the passport from John's mum and then drove him to Gatwick for a 6am flight.
This. It was the right thing to do.


kiethton

14,551 posts

206 months

Friday 14th June 2013
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Nightmare and strikes a chord with me...

My girlfriend is currently 'banned' from the family home and dispised by my family (although I've always been independant so dont have the control issues). Not the best situation tbh frown

Definately the right thing to do though, things only get better in time! (my hope anyway!)

Mr Gearchange

5,892 posts

232 months

Friday 14th June 2013
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ikarl said:
This. It was the right thing to do.
This.
Mental mum is mental.

Mikeyplum

1,646 posts

195 months

Friday 14th June 2013
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fk me - how the other half live eh.

TBH - his mum sounds like a top class fkwit who he is better off without.

Not much else to add really but good work from you and his other mates!

Super Slo Mo

5,374 posts

224 months

Friday 14th June 2013
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ikarl said:
The Beaver King said:
So last night, at 11pm, we booked a one way ticket to the country where Lisa lives, Craig gave him £600 and picked up the passport from John's mum and then drove him to Gatwick for a 6am flight.
This. It was the right thing to do.
I'm agreeing with this too.

Where's his Dad featuring in all this? Henpecked?

MacW

1,349 posts

202 months

Friday 14th June 2013
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Very unpleasant situation but definitely the right decision.


Butter Face

34,279 posts

186 months

Friday 14th June 2013
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ikarl said:
The Beaver King said:
So last night, at 11pm, we booked a one way ticket to the country where Lisa lives, Craig gave him £600 and picked up the passport from John's mum and then drove him to Gatwick for a 6am flight.
This. It was the right thing to do.
Oh totally. He needs to MTFU (excuse the cliche) and stand on his two feet, mum will either accept it or 'cut him loose'.

He did the right thing.

Galsia

2,265 posts

216 months

Friday 14th June 2013
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That is very admirable. Well done!

Big Rod

6,261 posts

242 months

Friday 14th June 2013
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ikarl said:
The Beaver King said:
So last night, at 11pm, we booked a one way ticket to the country where Lisa lives, Craig gave him £600 and picked up the passport from John's mum and then drove him to Gatwick for a 6am flight.
This. It was the right thing to do.
+1

In my book if someone serves an ultimatum, most of the time they'll lose. I hate controlling people!

I hope your mate will be happy.

KaraK

13,729 posts

235 months

Friday 14th June 2013
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Mr Gearchange said:
ikarl said:
This. It was the right thing to do.
This.
Mental mum is mental.
Another vote here!

The Beaver King

Original Poster:

6,095 posts

221 months

Friday 14th June 2013
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Super Slo Mo said:
I'm agreeing with this too.

Where's his Dad featuring in all this? Henpecked?
Pretty much. He initally tried to play peacemaker, but John's mum starting getting ill over it and is now on anti-depressants. It's of her own doing to be honest, but the Dad doesn't want to make things worse, so has picked her side.

This is the same reason John can't confront her about it. She is already very ill and if he forces her to realise how this is her fault, she could become extremely ill or do something stupid. He would forever blame himself if this happened.

The family is very close, but you either do things their way or you go on your own.

krisdelta

4,669 posts

227 months

Friday 14th June 2013
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ikarl said:
The Beaver King said:
So last night, at 11pm, we booked a one way ticket to the country where Lisa lives, Craig gave him £600 and picked up the passport from John's mum and then drove him to Gatwick for a 6am flight.
This. It was the right thing to do.
You've been good friends and backed up "John" in a crisis, helping him to think his way through the mess he's been put in. Good luck to him.

Ecosseven

2,330 posts

243 months

Friday 14th June 2013
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kiethton said:
Nightmare and strikes a chord with me...

My girlfriend is currently 'banned' from the family home and dispised by my family (although I've always been independant so dont have the control issues). Not the best situation tbh frown

Definately the right thing to do though, things only get better in time! (my hope anyway!)
Also strikes a chord with me. My mum cannot stand my partner of 2 years. They have met twice early on in our relationship. I have asked my mum on a number of occasions why she dislikes my partner so much but she can't or won't give me an answer. My partner has made every effort to connect with my mum but she doesn't want to know. It will come to a head in the next few months as we plan on moving in together.

Luckily I am financially independant and have my own house although all three of us live within 15 miles of one another.

Any OP, you did the right thing. Emotional blackmail cannot be acceptable.




Big Rod

6,261 posts

242 months

Friday 14th June 2013
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The Beaver King said:
Pretty much. He initally tried to play peacemaker, but John's mum starting getting ill over it and is now on anti-depressants. It's of her own doing to be honest, but the Dad doesn't want to make things worse, so has picked her side.

This is the same reason John can't confront her about it. She is already very ill and if he forces her to realise how this is her fault, she could become extremely ill or do something stupid. He would forever blame himself if this happened.

The family is very close, but you either do things their way or you go on your own.
What an absolute she is!

I know it's easy fr me to say but I'd be inclined to let her get on with it!

g3org3y

22,250 posts

217 months

Friday 14th June 2013
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KaraK said:
Mr Gearchange said:
ikarl said:
This. It was the right thing to do.
This.
Mental mum is mental.
Another vote here!
Quite right.

But it seems the chap doesn't help himself.

The Beaver King said:
I have a friend (I'll call him John) who is nearly 30. His whole life he has worked for his parents; who own a succesful business moving machinery. He isn't paid a wage as such, he just gets stuff bought for him and the odd bit of liquid cash. He still lives with his parents, although they had a large extension build so he has his own space. He works 6 days a week and about 12 hours a day on average.

All of his bank accounts, phone contracts, bills, general life paperwork are dealt with by his mum who pretty much runs the whole show. He has very little concept of the 'real world' and has no idea about things like credit ratings, paying bills etc.
Real world. Helps if you live in it.

Independence. Helps if you have it.

The Beaver King

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6,095 posts

221 months

Friday 14th June 2013
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Butter Face said:
Oh totally. He needs to MTFU (excuse the cliche) and stand on his two feet, mum will either accept it or 'cut him loose'.

He did the right thing.
Indeed, but remember he doesn't understand a 'normal' life as such. He has everything sorted for him.

He has gone abroad with only the money that Craig could pull together short notice. He doesn't really have any job skills, so his likelyhood of getting a job is slim.

He hasn't even got the option to move over here with her, as he doesn't have anykind of credit rating. He'd struggle to get a phone contract, let alone rent or buy.

Megaflow

11,258 posts

251 months

Friday 14th June 2013
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ikarl said:
The Beaver King said:
So last night, at 11pm, we booked a one way ticket to the country where Lisa lives, Craig gave him £600 and picked up the passport from John's mum and then drove him to Gatwick for a 6am flight.
This. It was the right thing to do.
No, it wasn't...

7 hours? Surely there was an earlier flight!

Seriously though, he Mum is a serious mental case and needs help. I wonder what she would say if you asked her how old he is? I'm guess she still thinks he is a child.

The Beaver King

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6,095 posts

221 months

Friday 14th June 2013
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g3org3y said:
Real world. Helps if you live in it.

Independence. Helps if you have it.
Yes, except there is a little more to it than that.

If you are raised in that enviroment, you don't know any better. I'll mention that he has a brother who met a girl a fe years back and a similar thing happened, except this girl was English.

The mum hated her immediately, put the son on a wage and refused to do anything to help him. The guy is earning minimum wage, yet pretty much runs the company when the dad is not around. Hell, Craig gets paid more than the brother, all because the mum hates his girlfriend.

The Beaver King

Original Poster:

6,095 posts

221 months

Friday 14th June 2013
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Megaflow said:
No, it wasn't...

7 hours? Surely there was an earlier flight!

Seriously though, he Mum is a serious mental case and needs help. I wonder what she would say if you asked her how old he is? I'm guess she still thinks he is a child.
Apparently, back in December the mum did cry constantly for a day saying that she was losing her little boy. Crazy when she then does this that pushes him further away or loses him forever.

This is a very extreme case of a mother who can't let go...