DANGEROUS driving Sloane square...
DANGEROUS driving Sloane square...
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geeeman

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1,316 posts

284 months

Saturday 18th September 2010
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on my way home last night in my alpine-renault
i drove through sloane square, and did go a bit quickly around it causing some tyre squeel

few hundred yards later on sloane street (where i was probably doing around 38mph) i was pulled over

officer quite rude, said he could smell alcohol on me and that i looked under the influence of drugs!! but i didnt have anything to drink that night. He said i was driving dangerously.
I apologised and eventually he said he has made a note of my registration, and if any motoring offences were committed in the next year, then this offence for dangerous driving will also be put through....

can they really do that??
they didnt take any licence details, or my name or address.. just the reg.

Shaw Tarse

31,887 posts

232 months

Saturday 18th September 2010
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Search for Section 59.

saaby93

32,038 posts

207 months

Saturday 18th September 2010
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lucky you didnt get s59 and your car lifted

Hedders

24,460 posts

276 months

Saturday 18th September 2010
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saaby93 said:
lucky you didnt get s59 and your car lifted
I am not sure if i agree with that. We are all unlucky for living in a place where there is a risk of getting doen for S59 IMO!

Flintstone

8,644 posts

276 months

Saturday 18th September 2010
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Hedders said:
saaby93 said:
lucky you didnt get s59 and your car lifted
I am not sure if i agree with that. We are all unlucky for living in a place where there is a risk of getting doen for S59 IMO!
Although given this....

geeman said:
i drove through sloane square, and did go a bit quickly around it causing some tyre squeel

few hundred yards later on sloane street (where i was probably doing around 38mph)
....it seems there might be a place for it. Lucky to get off with a bking.

saaby93

32,038 posts

207 months

Saturday 18th September 2010
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I'm guessing the speed limit isnt 30mph?

vonhosen

40,597 posts

246 months

Saturday 18th September 2010
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saaby93 said:
I'm guessing the speed limit isnt 30mph?
It is 30mph.

Hedders

24,460 posts

276 months

Saturday 18th September 2010
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A ticket is one 'poor driving' is one thing, an s59 is another thing entirely!

vonhosen

40,597 posts

246 months

Saturday 18th September 2010
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Hedders said:
A ticket is one 'poor driving' is one thing, an s59 is another thing entirely!
He hasn't said a Sec 59 was issued. There wasn't a threat made to seize the car in the OP.

saaby93

32,038 posts

207 months

Saturday 18th September 2010
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Cant remember the last time we had a ritual burning
smash
furious

Flintstone

8,644 posts

276 months

Saturday 18th September 2010
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Bring kindling!

C'mon. Squealing around in a very built-up area and exceeding the limit where 10mph below the limit is generally prudent? I think that falls for consideration under the Road Traffic Act, 'Careless and Inconsiderate Driving. Subsection B, 'Driving Like A tt*'





  • Allegedly wink
Edited by Flintstone on Saturday 18th September 10:47

radlet6

736 posts

203 months

Saturday 18th September 2010
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Was it a proper PC or one one of the wannabe community coppers? If it is the latter they are not allowed to stop traffic except under section 147 of the anti-terrorism act. You would then have cause for complaint.

Did he actually issue you with a ticket? If not, then no Section 59 has been issued.

This law was essentially brought in to give the rozzers something to use against the growing number of yoofs hooning about on quad bikes in residential areas. However there are increasing concerns that plod is now abusing this new regulation, especially in certain forces where harassing the generally law abiding motorist earns big brownie points.

vonhosen

40,597 posts

246 months

Saturday 18th September 2010
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radlet6 said:
Was it a proper PC or one one of the wannabe community coppers? If it is the latter they are not allowed to stop traffic except under section 147 of the anti-terrorism act. You would then have cause for complaint.
The complaint being what ?
Someone asked me to stop ?

Anyone can 'ask' anyone to stop, only certain people can demand (you committing an offence if you don't) stop.



geeeman

Original Poster:

1,316 posts

284 months

Saturday 18th September 2010
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marked police patrol car...


it was 1am....

so can they do what they said which is keep this on file , and put it through if any other offences are committed within a year? even though it was only verbal.... no written issued

Citizen09

882 posts

200 months

Saturday 18th September 2010
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radlet6 said:
Was it a proper PC or one one of the wannabe community coppers? If it is the latter they are not allowed to stop traffic except under section 147 of the anti-terrorism act.
Incorrect. There are now "standard" powers for all PCSOs which include powers to stop and direct traffic/pedestrians on roads, under s.35 and s.37 of the Road Traffic Act 1988. These powers arise from the Police Reform Act 2002 and the Serious Organised Crime & Police Act 2005. This information is listed on the Home Office website. However it is possible that perhaps not all PCSOs have been trained in these powers.

Edited by Citizen09 on Saturday 18th September 12:05



Edited for spellign,

Edited by Citizen09 on Saturday 18th September 12:06

Hedders

24,460 posts

276 months

Saturday 18th September 2010
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vonhosen said:
Hedders said:
A ticket is one 'poor driving' is one thing, an s59 is another thing entirely!
He hasn't said a Sec 59 was issued. There wasn't a threat made to seize the car in the OP.
I realise that, just a little side topic smile

Citizen09

882 posts

200 months

Saturday 18th September 2010
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Hedders said:
saaby93 said:
lucky you didnt get s59 and your car lifted
I am not sure if i agree with that. We are all unlucky for living in a place where there is a risk of getting doen for S59 IMO!
Agreed; although I think a correctly applied s.59 is necessary. It's just a shame that some behave in a way which makes it so.

Flintstone

8,644 posts

276 months

Saturday 18th September 2010
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geeeman said:
it was 1am....
So. By your own admission we have 1am in a residential area, breaking the speed limit and squealing tyres.

I love driving fast. I just don't do it the way you do and if I did I'd deserve all I got.

Red Devil

13,510 posts

237 months

Saturday 18th September 2010
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geeeman said:
He said i was driving dangerously.
I apologised and eventually he said he has made a note of my registration, and if any motoring offences were committed in the next year, then this offence for dangerous driving will also be put through....

can they really do that??
they didnt take any licence details, or my name or address.. just the reg.
AFAICS this bit hasn't been answered yet
Surely unless he was formally cautioned at the time that he would be reported for consideration of prosecution for the alleged offence it couldn't be taken forward? Also I always understood that had the caution been given, an information had to be laid within 6 months for it to proceed. The verbal threat sounds to me like so much hot air. Presumably done in the hope that OP will drive like Miss Daisy for the next 12 months.

vonhosen

40,597 posts

246 months

Saturday 18th September 2010
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Red Devil said:
geeeman said:
He said i was driving dangerously.
I apologised and eventually he said he has made a note of my registration, and if any motoring offences were committed in the next year, then this offence for dangerous driving will also be put through....

can they really do that??
they didnt take any licence details, or my name or address.. just the reg.
AFAICS this bit hasn't been answered yet
Surely unless he was formally cautioned at the time that he would be reported for consideration of prosecution for the alleged offence it couldn't be taken forward? Also I always understood that had the caution been given, an information had to be laid within 6 months for it to proceed. The verbal threat sounds to me like so much hot air. Presumably done in the hope that OP will drive like Miss Daisy for the next 12 months.
Yes the warning formula needs to be given (or NIP served), but there is no time limit on prosecutions for Sec 2 RTA (unlike Sec 3 for which the 6 months applies).