That could work both ways. If the driver felt this other guys driving was bad enough earlier on he should have either

a) notified the TDO then, or

b) known to keep his distance from that car in future

it's a sh!t situation that nobody enjoys but the only person who can realistically accept any blame (morally or legally) is the driver of the offending vehicle.

Jonny

[quote=Pickled Piper]Thanks for the comments guys.

Just to make it clear. I'm not suggesting the TDO is liable for the damage to my vehicle in any way. Taking aside the issue of who was to blame for the collision for a moment, I am appalled at the behavior of the other driver after the collision. I would have considered it a basic courtesy to seek out the other driver and have a chat. If you didn't want to speak to the driver for fear of aggressive behaviour, surely the right thing to do would be to contact the TDO or marshalls and not just try and make a fast exit. I am certain that had the car been road legal and not trailored, he would have been halfway home by the time I reached the paddock area. The main issue is the shoddy behaviour of the other driver and the reluctance of the TDO to do anything about it.

I do feel like I have been the victim of a "hit and run" and the TDO is telling me it's nothing to worry about whilst he also makes a sharp exit.

pp



Back luck PP. I agree that whatever the merits of your particular case people who are involved in an incident should at least behave courteously and speak to the other party involved.

On the case itself I think TDOs should be tough in applying the rules because we know from previous cases in law the risk lies with the drivers and so is much greater if the TDO isn't vigilant.

To be honest I'm a bit disappointed with the TDO in this case. The least he could have done is ban the guy and tell the customer that he was doing that.

I know its at own risk on trackdays and that's part of why I insure, but you want at least some semblance of justice however minor.

I came very close to a car on car incident at Bedford earlier in the year, it was mostly my fault under estimated the fact that the other car was letting me by when he clearly didnt think he was. Fortunately I noticed and hatched an escape plan again fortunatly didnt need to, as he saw me at the last moment.

Unfortunately it can happen I would say I am experienced and it certainly was'nt delibratly trying to nip past and happy to apologise as I did, but like Dan one of the reasons I use a policy that includes Trackday cover.

I have never attended a day where it has happened and I have done a fair few in the last 8 years.

Thanks for the input everyone.

My main reasons for posting were to vent my frustration and then to glean any information from others that have had similar experiences. In answer to the questions about what I hope to achieve. I would like to come away with the feeling that the other driver and /or the TDO did the "right thing". Like most people, I assessed the risk of taking my car on track and then tried to manage the risk by choosing an owners club track day, adhering to the rules etc. My car is my P&J but I am not precious about it. It's meant to be driven, especially on track.

Jleroux - Thanks for stepping up as TDO. I take on board your comments about defensive driving and acknowledge that had I been a bit sharper, I could have anticipate the other driver's actions and made allowances for them.

Legaleagleboy, Yes we were on the same trackday. Thanks for arranging the instruction and thanks for the advice. I have a photograph of the driver, his car and his towing vehicle complete with reg plate. His vehicle is quite distinctive and of a particular type. I'm obviously disappointed at his behaviour but more so at the TDO, as the organisation presents itself as having the highest standards of marshalling and driver etiquette for all its events. I would have expected the TDO to jump on the situation rather than sit on the fence and quote Ts & Cs.

pp

As a motorsport organiser, as far as I am aware, the Road Traffic Act applies to all forms of driving and in all areas, unless a permit has been issued by a controlling authority.

Don't underestimate your liability under the law at a track day when, if the police where to be involved prosecutions for dangerous driving, for example, could potentially result.

I have never seen this info put to potential track day drivers, would a TDO wish to comment?

Agreed, looked like a few of those crashes (Scoobie, white Rover 200 series) were people trying to do oversteery fun stuff by flicking left then right ... and failing. I'm not into people dicking about on the circuit, especially on a corner like that one! All those Cavaliers trying too hard and probably not caring too much doesn't inspire me with confidence either.

I do a lot of trackdays, but st happens. If someone took me out, and it wasn't my fault, I would expect the person to a least say sorry. Would I expect them to pay, no, that is why I take out trackday insurance which will pay for my car, regardless of who was at fault.

If you don't have insurance, its your decision.

This topic needs a thread all of its own but ... really?

If the RTA applies why do we overtake on the left?

(And dozens of other questions ...)

I wouldn't be surprised if that was one action day. You buy a pass for a 5 lap session for something like £30. Which means that people want to impress their mates but dont have any practise or tallent....