Discussion
SrMoreno said:
hidetheelephants said:
On a lighter note, a one of the hecklers did a good job; indeed, "You know less about Scotland than you know about landing aeroplanes." deserves a prize of some kind. 
That's superb! Shame that wasn't the quote that made the front page.J
slipstream 1985 said:
why does everyone here dislike him and or his party?
I don't dislike him, but he's an irrelevancy to me because there have never been any UKIP candidates in my constituency. He does seem a bit marmite judging by the amount of piss and wind expended over on the UKIP thread.
slipstream 1985 said:
why does everyone here dislike him and or his party?
I don't dislike him or his party (well no more than politicians in general) I think they are good for British politics. If it shakes the established parties into looking at what is good for the country and the people of UK instead of what is good for the political parties they will have done some good.RichB said:
Good luck to him, I thought the only people who came across as scum were the low life who were haranguing him. Reflected very badly on Scots.
You reckon? Going by the names and accents, at least half of them were not Scottish. Not exactly a surprise given they were in Edinburgh right enough.I'm an active member of the SNP. The main reason for this is simply to disconnect ourselves, (the Scots), from the Westminster parliament; it is brutally toxic and is dominated by the London economy and political philosophies. These are not even remotely similar to what Scotland wants and needs.
My real problem with this at the moment is Europe, and the fact that the SNP's policy is to be an independent country within the EU. What started out as a wonderful principle many years ago has developed into a parasitical, bureaucratic monster, sucking the lifeblood out of all the countries it touches.
I believe that Nigel Farage's ideals are spot on and he simply wants to remove us from Europe because he sees the whole dreadful eddifice collapsing around us. It has resulted in the financial collapse of many member states by attempting to completely change the trading nature and financial makeup of these countries, i.e. the country's original identity. It is quite literally hated by vast numbers of individuals in these countries, and I believe it will never work, it doesn't matter what they do.
If we in Scotland had a Nigel Farage we could do very nicely outside of Europe. To those who say that we would not be allowed to trade on a level playing field, let me remind you that the USA, China, Japan and India are not, and never will be members of the EU. They export massive amounts of goods into the whole of Europe, and own numerous companies within European countries with no problems from the EU whatever.
J
My real problem with this at the moment is Europe, and the fact that the SNP's policy is to be an independent country within the EU. What started out as a wonderful principle many years ago has developed into a parasitical, bureaucratic monster, sucking the lifeblood out of all the countries it touches.
I believe that Nigel Farage's ideals are spot on and he simply wants to remove us from Europe because he sees the whole dreadful eddifice collapsing around us. It has resulted in the financial collapse of many member states by attempting to completely change the trading nature and financial makeup of these countries, i.e. the country's original identity. It is quite literally hated by vast numbers of individuals in these countries, and I believe it will never work, it doesn't matter what they do.
If we in Scotland had a Nigel Farage we could do very nicely outside of Europe. To those who say that we would not be allowed to trade on a level playing field, let me remind you that the USA, China, Japan and India are not, and never will be members of the EU. They export massive amounts of goods into the whole of Europe, and own numerous companies within European countries with no problems from the EU whatever.
J
Here's where I'm at ...
It's deeply concerning.
- I have no time for the man or his party - short step to " Rivers of Blood".
- It's still a mystery to me why he was in Edinburgh (I think it was Paul Nuttall who, in a subsequent radio embarrassment, was confused as to where the by-election is).
- The protestors had every right to be there and say what they wanted to say.
- Repeated use of the word "scum" wasn't the smartest move but interestingly, Farage seemed comfortable using the same word of them in a later interview.
- I heard the organiser of the protest asked if he approved of this word being used. He couldn't condemn it on-air but you could tell he wasn't too happy. Things hadn’t turned out as he’d expected them to that day.
- Farage wasn't in any danger. He wasn't even jostled from what I've seen so I've got to wonder why, exactly, the police decided to take him away in a van - it was all very "convenient".
- Post the incident, Farage proceeded to sow seeds that these protesters had all been Salmond's henchmen - Nationalist blackshirts if you like.
- In the wake of all the nonsense, the media, on the whole, appeared to report it fairly accurately.
- A worrying number of people appear to have read / watched reports, misunderstood, and now believe that what Farage implied actually happened.
It's deeply concerning.
Edited by Kiltie on Monday 20th May 10:16
Kiltie said:
That's the big deal for me. The man had no business there, manipulated a situation, made suggestions to the media and now a significant number of people are convinced that something happened ... which actually didn't.
It's deeply concerning.
That seems a bit naive; he's a politician with over a decade of experience of this kind of chicanery. Perhaps he didn't anticipate quite so vociferous a rent-a-mob, but the Trot loons in the SWP make Tommy Sheridan look like Tony Benn and are pretty well guaranteed to kick off when presented with a target like Farage. It's an own goal, because these loons brand themselves Radical Independence joe public will add 2+2=5 and conclude that Yes campaigners are all shouty tIt's deeply concerning.
ts.hidetheelephants said:
Kiltie said:
That's the big deal for me. The man had no business there, manipulated a situation, made suggestions to the media and now a significant number of people are convinced that something happened ... which actually didn't.
It's deeply concerning.
That seems a bit naive; he's a politician with over a decade of experience of this kind of chicanery. Perhaps he didn't anticipate quite so vociferous a rent-a-mob, but the Trot loons in the SWP make Tommy Sheridan look like Tony Benn and are pretty well guaranteed to kick off when presented with a target like Farage. It's an own goal, because these loons brand themselves Radical Independence joe public will add 2+2=5 and conclude that Yes campaigners are all shouty tIt's deeply concerning.
ts.On the protest, I was under the impression that it was organised by "Edinburgh College Students' Association" and that the RI and SWP bods were just hangers on.
Regardless, whatever anyone feels about them, at least they were doing something for what they believe in - as opposed to just peering over the top of a tabloid newspaper and tutting.
Edited by Kiltie on Monday 20th May 16:38
This may yet be seen as a watershed moment in Big Eck's war on English interference in Scottish politics. Salmond's persistent belief in a Scotland within the EU is gradually being exposed as a self deluding fiction.
I really used to believe in Independence, met Alex in the eighties when he was a back bencher and totally admired his single minded vision to deliver a Scotland which could play a role equal to any within the larger picture.
However, times and shapes often move (relatively) swiftly within politics, and Alex is stuck 2 or 3 chapters back in the "How to sell Independence" book for optimists. Face it. We missed our chance back in the Fifties when we still had a manufacturing base, a respected finacial centre, an educational and judicial system which were the benchmarks for the rest of the world.
Salmond's biggest problem is an inability to reverse and admit that some long held beliefs no longer hold water. I.E. Energy, Immigration, financial security. All called to question now. His pet muppets though are even more fascist in their support of what they believe to be a National notion that they actually are like the Blackshirts of a time reflected in the thuggish refusal to allow any divergent opinion to be heard. Sad.
Still love the big man. Just wish he'd be human, admit that st changes, peoples change and get in tune with the real world.
I really used to believe in Independence, met Alex in the eighties when he was a back bencher and totally admired his single minded vision to deliver a Scotland which could play a role equal to any within the larger picture.
However, times and shapes often move (relatively) swiftly within politics, and Alex is stuck 2 or 3 chapters back in the "How to sell Independence" book for optimists. Face it. We missed our chance back in the Fifties when we still had a manufacturing base, a respected finacial centre, an educational and judicial system which were the benchmarks for the rest of the world.
Salmond's biggest problem is an inability to reverse and admit that some long held beliefs no longer hold water. I.E. Energy, Immigration, financial security. All called to question now. His pet muppets though are even more fascist in their support of what they believe to be a National notion that they actually are like the Blackshirts of a time reflected in the thuggish refusal to allow any divergent opinion to be heard. Sad.
Still love the big man. Just wish he'd be human, admit that s
t changes, peoples change and get in tune with the real world.niccis dad said:
Still love the big man. Just wish he'd be human, admit that st changes, peoples change and get in tune with the real world.
A lot of it seems to be laziness; there just isn't anybody up to the job of landing a punch on him in the chamber, the Labour fishwife gives it a go but she's no debater. The other opposition leaders are no better; Jack McConnell was about as good as it got, and even he wasn't up to much. Curse you Donald Dewar for keeling over and snuffing it! t changes, peoples change and get in tune with the real world. If there was someone of the calibre of David Steele still there he'd have to work harder, but all the usual suspects are happy to gravitate to Westminster.jith said:
I'm an active member of the SNP. The main reason for this is simply to disconnect ourselves, (the Scots), from the Westminster parliament; it is brutally toxic and is dominated by the London economy and political philosophies. These are not even remotely similar to what Scotland wants and needs.
My real problem with this at the moment is Europe, and the fact that the SNP's policy is to be an independent country within the EU. What started out as a wonderful principle many years ago has developed into a parasitical, bureaucratic monster, sucking the lifeblood out of all the countries it touches.
I believe that Nigel Farage's ideals are spot on and he simply wants to remove us from Europe because he sees the whole dreadful eddifice collapsing around us. It has resulted in the financial collapse of many member states by attempting to completely change the trading nature and financial makeup of these countries, i.e. the country's original identity. It is quite literally hated by vast numbers of individuals in these countries, and I believe it will never work, it doesn't matter what they do.
If we in Scotland had a Nigel Farage we could do very nicely outside of Europe. To those who say that we would not be allowed to trade on a level playing field, let me remind you that the USA, China, Japan and India are not, and never will be members of the EU. They export massive amounts of goods into the whole of Europe, and own numerous companies within European countries with no problems from the EU whatever.
J
very well balanced and thought out post. An snp voter who understands the wider implications of a united states of europe.My real problem with this at the moment is Europe, and the fact that the SNP's policy is to be an independent country within the EU. What started out as a wonderful principle many years ago has developed into a parasitical, bureaucratic monster, sucking the lifeblood out of all the countries it touches.
I believe that Nigel Farage's ideals are spot on and he simply wants to remove us from Europe because he sees the whole dreadful eddifice collapsing around us. It has resulted in the financial collapse of many member states by attempting to completely change the trading nature and financial makeup of these countries, i.e. the country's original identity. It is quite literally hated by vast numbers of individuals in these countries, and I believe it will never work, it doesn't matter what they do.
If we in Scotland had a Nigel Farage we could do very nicely outside of Europe. To those who say that we would not be allowed to trade on a level playing field, let me remind you that the USA, China, Japan and India are not, and never will be members of the EU. They export massive amounts of goods into the whole of Europe, and own numerous companies within European countries with no problems from the EU whatever.
J
jith said:
SrMoreno said:
hidetheelephants said:
On a lighter note, a one of the hecklers did a good job; indeed, "You know less about Scotland than you know about landing aeroplanes." deserves a prize of some kind.
That's superb! Shame that wasn't the quote that made the front page.J
Kiltie said:
jith said:
SrMoreno said:
hidetheelephants said:
On a lighter note, a one of the hecklers did a good job; indeed, "You know less about Scotland than you know about landing aeroplanes." deserves a prize of some kind.
That's superb! Shame that wasn't the quote that made the front page.J
For a start Farage was not the pilot, but you doubtless know that.
I was at the scene at Lockerbie when the jumbo came down. An aircraft dropping out of the sky, regardless of how large or small it is, is not the subject for joke, so I would appreciate you expressing your humour in other ways.
J
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