Has the bottom dropped out of the car trackday market?
Discussion
GT4EDS said:
We need more at Oulton Park thought 
Come on Melindi, get Goldtrack back in there
Eduardo.
It is abroad and our clients will not go there. Seriously, we used to do a lot at Oulton but many years ago there was a price war between two of the arse end of the market TDOs. Can't remember their names but they were both Track somethings. They ended up charging about a fiver for days. That's fine for them, up to them how they finance our days but it did mean that we couldn't get the numbers we needed. It's a shame because Oulton is majestic but the market there is for cheap days with a lot of cars on them and it's not our market.
Come on Melindi, get Goldtrack back in there
Eduardo.
Edited by GT4EDS on Saturday 18th May 10:56
Edited by GT4EDS on Saturday 18th May 10:56
It is abroad and our clients will not go there. Seriously, we used to do a lot at Oulton but many years ago there was a price war between two of the arse end of the market TDOs. Can't remember their names but they were both Track somethings. They ended up charging about a fiver for days. That's fine for them, up to them how they finance our days but it did mean that we couldn't get the numbers we needed. It's a shame because Oulton is majestic but the market there is for cheap days with a lot of cars on them and it's not our market.
Edited by GT4EDS on Saturday 18th May 10:57
juansolo said:
chris7676 said:
I have heard the circuit have increased their fees over the last few years, which makes sense as even the cheaper operators are not cheap anymore. It would be interesting to know the reasons behind that.
Because they can. You charge what the market can stand, that's the way of the world.gtdc said:
the market there is for cheap days with a lot of cars on them and it's not our market.
+1any more than 60 cars and Oulton starts to feel very busy IMO. At the prices most TDO's charge we'd need ~80+ cars to make it stack up. We tried an "expensive" day last year (£325 IIRC) and it bombed.
Jonny
BaT
jonnyleroux said:
gtdc said:
the market there is for cheap days with a lot of cars on them and it's not our market.
+1any more than 60 cars and Oulton starts to feel very busy IMO. At the prices most TDO's charge we'd need ~80+ cars to make it stack up. We tried an "expensive" day last year (£325 IIRC) and it bombed.
Jonny
BaT
Why not make it a ménage a trois and I'll do the b
kings for all of us. 
Yes agree it's a great pity about Oulton and Cadwell for that matter. All our days there last year lost money largely because of the stupid competition that was going on. 60 cars is about right but you can't run days there with that number of cars for 2p a go!
David
BHP
kings for all of us. Yes agree it's a great pity about Oulton and Cadwell for that matter. All our days there last year lost money largely because of the stupid competition that was going on. 60 cars is about right but you can't run days there with that number of cars for 2p a go!
David
BHP
David White 10 said:
Why not make it a ménage a trois and I'll do the bkings for all of us.
Yes agree it's a great pity about Oulton and Cadwell for that matter. All our days there last year lost money largely because of the stupid competition that was going on. 60 cars is about right but you can't run days there with that number of cars for 2p a go!
David
BHP
Think i draw the line at Cadwell. i don't have a visa.kings for all of us. Yes agree it's a great pity about Oulton and Cadwell for that matter. All our days there last year lost money largely because of the stupid competition that was going on. 60 cars is about right but you can't run days there with that number of cars for 2p a go!
David
BHP
jonnyleroux said:
+1
any more than 60 cars and Oulton starts to feel very busy IMO. At the prices most TDO's charge we'd need ~80+ cars to make it stack up. We tried an "expensive" day last year (£325 IIRC) and it bombed.
Jonny
BaT
I've done msv days at oulton for less than half that price and with no more than 40 cars on track, always found them well run as well, I think its hard for any tdo to compete with msv at oulton for obvious reasons.any more than 60 cars and Oulton starts to feel very busy IMO. At the prices most TDO's charge we'd need ~80+ cars to make it stack up. We tried an "expensive" day last year (£325 IIRC) and it bombed.
Jonny
BaT
jonnyleroux said:
We tried an "expensive" day last year (£325 IIRC) and it bombed.
The thing with such a day is that for those of us in the South, if you combine the journey distance with the price of such a day then it is actually no more cost effective (at a per day level) than your double headers at Spa. On a "which would you choose" basis you are always going to see my man maths taking me to Belgium...gtdc said:
jonnyleroux said:
gtdc said:
Yup. Agree with that 60 cars would be a max for us too. Maybe we should do a joint one?
We'd have to have a raffle to decide who got to hand out the bkings :-)Jonny
BaT
CDP said:
The airfield days with BAT used to be good cheap fun but I guess the big problem was keeping the noise down. Bentwaters was great for gooning about and learning about car control with so much run off; Oakington would probably have been quite punishing.
Yup, noise killed Elvington too. Shame as airfields were a great place to safely learn car control. When you can't goon it all becomes rather tedious.DiscoColin said:
jonnyleroux said:
We tried an "expensive" day last year (£325 IIRC) and it bombed.
The thing with such a day is that for those of us in the South, if you combine the journey distance with the price of such a day then it is actually no more cost effective (at a per day level) than your double headers at Spa. On a "which would you choose" basis you are always going to see my man maths taking me to Belgium...WolfyJones said:
jonnyleroux said:
+1
any more than 60 cars and Oulton starts to feel very busy IMO. At the prices most TDO's charge we'd need ~80+ cars to make it stack up. We tried an "expensive" day last year (£325 IIRC) and it bombed.
Jonny
BaT
I've done msv days at oulton for less than half that price and with no more than 40 cars on track, always found them well run as well, I think its hard for any tdo to compete with msv at oulton for obvious reasons.any more than 60 cars and Oulton starts to feel very busy IMO. At the prices most TDO's charge we'd need ~80+ cars to make it stack up. We tried an "expensive" day last year (£325 IIRC) and it bombed.
Jonny
BaT
We have the greatest circuits in the World and before long we wont be able to use them because the Noise problem actually makes them too expensive to hire because they cant be used enough therefore making them more expensive to use on the rare occasions when you can use them and make a noise,"but not much noise" So not only are we in recession but we have to keep quiet whilst were in it further reducing the chance to allow entrepreneurs to get us out the st were already in! Has anyone suffered permanent injury due to recent noise issues at or near a race circuit recently?
I have a very loud Grandfather clock in the hall but I don't hear it chime every hour as loud as it is because my brain"yes I do have one" subliminally mutes the noise if it becomes an issue! Just like being near a race track after a few minutes of the circuit going live you don't even notice it cos your fking brain mutes it out!
However if you decide because you know that you have a race track at the bottom of your garden that you are going to rush down there and listen to the cars so you then have something to phone the council and complain about then quite honestly you need to get a life!
Shall we mute Big Ben, fill in Niagara Falls etc etc
I was recently in China and nearly got run over by a fleet of electric scooters because I couldn't hear the fking things coming, Noise can be good it tells you you're alive and when in China could actually keep you alive Lol
In summary why don't councillors, politicians and the likes spend more time in working out how to cut down the 7 hour wait in accident and emergency and get on with letting race tracks be just that, Race Tracks!
That's Better
t were already in! Has anyone suffered permanent injury due to recent noise issues at or near a race circuit recently?I have a very loud Grandfather clock in the hall but I don't hear it chime every hour as loud as it is because my brain"yes I do have one" subliminally mutes the noise if it becomes an issue! Just like being near a race track after a few minutes of the circuit going live you don't even notice it cos your f
king brain mutes it out!However if you decide because you know that you have a race track at the bottom of your garden that you are going to rush down there and listen to the cars so you then have something to phone the council and complain about then quite honestly you need to get a life!
Shall we mute Big Ben, fill in Niagara Falls etc etc
I was recently in China and nearly got run over by a fleet of electric scooters because I couldn't hear the f
king things coming, Noise can be good it tells you you're alive and when in China could actually keep you alive LolIn summary why don't councillors, politicians and the likes spend more time in working out how to cut down the 7 hour wait in accident and emergency and get on with letting race tracks be just that, Race Tracks!
That's Better
juansolo said:
CDP said:
The airfield days with BAT used to be good cheap fun but I guess the big problem was keeping the noise down. Bentwaters was great for gooning about and learning about car control with so much run off; Oakington would probably have been quite punishing.
Yup, noise killed Elvington too. Shame as airfields were a great place to safely learn car control. When you can't goon it all becomes rather tedious.Trackdays are still a wonderful place for tuition and coaching though.
Juno said:
In summary why don't councillors, politicians and the likes spend more time in working out how to cut down the 7 hour wait in accident and emergency and get on with letting race tracks be just that, Race Tracks!
I agree but politicians are good at other things such as creating stupid restrictions, bankrupting countries, enslaving its populations and starting wars. chris7676 said:
Juno said:
In summary why don't councillors, politicians and the likes spend more time in working out how to cut down the 7 hour wait in accident and emergency and get on with letting race tracks be just that, Race Tracks!
I agree but politicians are good at other things such as creating stupid restrictions, bankrupting countries, enslaving its populations and starting wars. Gassing Station | Track Days | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff