Oldham Council taxpayers to fund Halal meat check.
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If true I find this disgusting, If your religious beliefs dictate you slaughter meat a certain way be it Halal, Kosher or otherwise then why should the taxpayer fund this?
I'm not starting an anti-muslim rant here but seriously what the hell is going on?
The comments at the bottom are interesting.
http://www.oldham-chronicle.co.uk/news-features/8/...
I'm not starting an anti-muslim rant here but seriously what the hell is going on?
The comments at the bottom are interesting.
http://www.oldham-chronicle.co.uk/news-features/8/...
They have asked the meat to be inspected, so I assume that as that is being done, they are simply asking for additional checksto be made. COnsidering the council is paying for the food in the first place, and considering that they are responsible for food safety and Trading Standards whihc should be ensuring the meat is indeed Haleel if stated, then I really don;t see the big issue.
If there was a significant cost the perhaps the Muslim community may wish to donate to that and one assumes that an training given to the food inspectors would come from the Muslim community. Assuming that to be the case, I feel that it is ot unfair for the community to offer that trainging free of charge but beyong that, personally I don;t see the issue here.
If there was a significant cost the perhaps the Muslim community may wish to donate to that and one assumes that an training given to the food inspectors would come from the Muslim community. Assuming that to be the case, I feel that it is ot unfair for the community to offer that trainging free of charge but beyong that, personally I don;t see the issue here.
mybrainhurts said:
Interesting to listen to the deafening silence from the RSPCA on the cruelty aspect of halal slaughter.
True, What I have noticed (working in the meat trade) is a lot of whole chickens that get sent out to local butchers have Halal stamped on the box.I was lucky to have local chickens slaughtered to British spec, but I know some local butchers still buying Halal chicken fillets, even the customers are unaware.
It's not quite clear if they are asking for checks to be carried out for getting sold something your not asking for, such as horse meat, or if they are worried about the prayer part and if it's true Islamic slaughter and not the just normal slaughter with a prayer to keep someone happy.
Hooli said:
So wrong.
As long as the food is safe then the council have done their job, any silly checks related to sky pixies are not what tax money is for.
Rubbish! If a supplier promotes it as being Hallel and it is not, that is no different to any other trade isdescription. You can I suppose make an argument that schools should not provide Hallel unless it is of equal or lower cost and equal or higher quality than non-Hallel then I really don;t see the big issue. As long as the food is safe then the council have done their job, any silly checks related to sky pixies are not what tax money is for.
I would be suprised if the Muslim community want them to check what prayers are said, assuming that to be the case (I have no idea if prayers are said but seems likely, they are during Kosher slaughter). Assuming similar to Kosher, there is no way an observant Muslim would trust a non-Muslim with no personal interest and no way of knowing what prayers are actually being said to assess that side of it but the basic stuff as in "is the meat in the product traceable and not in anyway contaminated with non Hallel products" seems to me to be a simple matter fo ensuring people are selling a product which meets the description exactly as they would do with any other product.
It's amazing the amount of people who suddenly become pro animal rights when the issue of halal and kosher slaughter is raised. Yes because the methods of slaughter and the conditions animals are kept in conventional slaughter houses is so much better isn't it.
The production of mass produced cheap meat, whether halal/kosher or not is immensely cruel to the animals involved. And no I'm not someone sitting on my high horse because I consume such meat myself.
But yes, if taxpayers are funding this then it's wrong.
The production of mass produced cheap meat, whether halal/kosher or not is immensely cruel to the animals involved. And no I'm not someone sitting on my high horse because I consume such meat myself.
But yes, if taxpayers are funding this then it's wrong.
Victor McDade said:
It's amazing the amount of people who suddenly become pro animal rights when the issue of halal and kosher slaughter is raised. Yes because the methods of slaughter and the conditions animals are kept in conventional slaughter houses is so much better isn't it.
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Actually, in the main (but there are exceptions) the methods of slaughter and the conditions animals are kept in in conventional slaughter houses is much better! .
andymadmak said:
Victor McDade said:
It's amazing the amount of people who suddenly become pro animal rights when the issue of halal and kosher slaughter is raised. Yes because the methods of slaughter and the conditions animals are kept in conventional slaughter houses is so much better isn't it.
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Actually, in the main (but there are exceptions) the methods of slaughter and the conditions animals are kept in in conventional slaughter houses is much better! .
andymadmak said:
Victor McDade said:
It's amazing the amount of people who suddenly become pro animal rights when the issue of halal and kosher slaughter is raised. Yes because the methods of slaughter and the conditions animals are kept in conventional slaughter houses is so much better isn't it.
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Actually, in the main (but there are exceptions) the methods of slaughter and the conditions animals are kept in in conventional slaughter houses is much better! .
Amateurish said:
I'm really struggling to see where you get the justification for the title of your thread. Can you point me to the text which says that "Oldham Council taxpayers to fund Halal meat check".
Let's not let facts get in the way of a rant. The local Muslims are doing the check.Not that that makes halal slaughter (or intensive farming practices) right
odyssey2200 said:
When will Halal meat be clearly labled for us that don't want to buy or eat it?
There was a documentary on this subject a while ago, apparently only Morrison & M&S do not sell unlablled halal meat, all other supermarkets sell it to us without our knowledge. This was about a year ago so not sure if it's still correct. Always get my meat from M since that day.Morrisons recognises the importance religious communities attach to food produced in accordance with their beliefs, and in response to customer demand we sell a number of branded halal and kosher products. Our customers who do not wish to purchase halal or kosher can choose our fresh meat in full confidence that all animals are pre-stunned and no prayer is read at slaughter. Our fresh meat is 100% British and uniquely the majority is processed at our own abattoirs – giving us unrivalled control over the provenance and quality of our meat.
Motorwaymick said:
odyssey2200 said:
When will Halal meat be clearly labled for us that don't want to buy or eat it?
There was a documentary on this subject a while ago, apparently only Morrison & M&S do not sell unlablled halal meat, all other supermarkets sell it to us without our knowledge. This was about a year ago so not sure if it's still correct. Always get my meat from M since that day.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff