Seriously unimpressed
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carmadgaz said:
Mattt said:
Slightly over the top, but not undeserved.
What he said.If you had been stopped already and then the Police followed you again with their lights on, why would you not stop again to see what they wanted?
Sounds like old duffer trying to play the age card. If you're that decrepit, surrender your license.
Mr Dave said:
"I have a heart condition and was confused and I thought I was going to have another stroke so I drove my two tonne RangeRover away from the police."
If it wasnt safe for him to drive maybe he should have his licence taken off him for medical grounds?
And he drove off on the police in his car that was illegal for use on the roads ,after arguing with them, possibly hitting one of them, led them on an 8 mile pursuit, stopped when he was going to get stingered and refused to open the doors or get out. Of course they smashed the windows to get him out, doesnt take a genius to work that one out.
And 15 whacks with a baton including running up and hitting the window to break it? Police need something better to break modern car windows with. saw that a few times when police are trying to break car windows.
15 inches of lignum vitae or a 24 inch monadnock side handled baton...much better than the lightweight ASP'sIf it wasnt safe for him to drive maybe he should have his licence taken off him for medical grounds?
And he drove off on the police in his car that was illegal for use on the roads ,after arguing with them, possibly hitting one of them, led them on an 8 mile pursuit, stopped when he was going to get stingered and refused to open the doors or get out. Of course they smashed the windows to get him out, doesnt take a genius to work that one out.
And 15 whacks with a baton including running up and hitting the window to break it? Police need something better to break modern car windows with. saw that a few times when police are trying to break car windows.
If I was out and about I would like to think I would remember life saving drugs. If I had left them by mistake and thought I was about to have an episode, I would have pleaded my case to the police or driven like I had stole it not "driven off cooly".
But then that is me.
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Someone is making a run for it at 40mph?
He didn't touch the solid white line on the footage. I'm not defnding him, but talk about using a sledge hammer to smash a nut.
Was the response proportionate?
No effort to communicate, just run up to the window with the asp already swung over the shoulder ready to swing?
He didn't touch the solid white line on the footage. I'm not defnding him, but talk about using a sledge hammer to smash a nut.
Was the response proportionate?
No effort to communicate, just run up to the window with the asp already swung over the shoulder ready to swing?
Mr Dave said:
And 15 whacks with a baton including running up and hitting the window to break it? Police need something better to break modern car windows with. saw that a few times when police are trying to break car windows.
Most people try the door handle before attacking the window.This cop did not do that so we can only assume his intention was to break the window, not open the door.
I am suprised he didn't panic and drive off again again when his car starting getting attacked TBH>
carinaman said:
Someone is making a run for it at 40mph?
He didn't touch the solid white line on the footage. I'm not defnding him, but talk about using a sledge hammer to smash a nut.
Was the response proportionate?
In my eyes,yes it was.He didn't touch the solid white line on the footage. I'm not defnding him, but talk about using a sledge hammer to smash a nut.
Was the response proportionate?
He had failed to stop and had committed other offences.there comes a point where they have to think of their own safety and that of the public.What if he drove off again and then drove faster.
He had a choice to stop,he did not so he has to accept the end result.
Edited by TPS on Thursday 5th August 17:59
carinaman said:
Someone is making a run for it at 40mph?
He didn't touch the solid white line on the footage. I'm not defnding him, but talk about using a sledge hammer to smash a nut.
Was the response proportionate?
No effort to communicate, just run up to the window with the asp already swung over the shoulder ready to swing?
They made the attempt to communicate 8 miles back up the road...he didn't want to listen and made off!He didn't touch the solid white line on the footage. I'm not defnding him, but talk about using a sledge hammer to smash a nut.
Was the response proportionate?
No effort to communicate, just run up to the window with the asp already swung over the shoulder ready to swing?
AFAIK it's standard operational procedure to smash windows on the vehicle (especially the windscreen)aimed at disorientating a driver and lessen the chances of him making off again where other means of immobilising the vehicle can't be employed.
It doesn't have to be a high speed chase and one has to remember that the officers wouldn't know the reason WHY this prawn made off, he may have had more to hide that was a lot worse than the reason for the original stop.
Safety?
Standing on the bonnet?
Not ensuring it had the handbrake on?
Safety? He was doing 40mph and didn't touch the solid white line once.
As pointed out before, we've often seen on police, camera, action type programmes the police pull back from a vehicle being chased as it was deemed too dangerous.
It looked like it was being driven quite safely to me.
It could argued that pursuing the Range Rover just made the situation more dangerous.
Standing on the bonnet?
Not ensuring it had the handbrake on?
Safety? He was doing 40mph and didn't touch the solid white line once.
As pointed out before, we've often seen on police, camera, action type programmes the police pull back from a vehicle being chased as it was deemed too dangerous.
It looked like it was being driven quite safely to me.
It could argued that pursuing the Range Rover just made the situation more dangerous.
'He may have had more to hide'?
And he may not have?
People make unfathomable choices and decisions everyday don't they, whether they're driving or not.
An assumption was made?
That driving looked OK to me. So he's not stopped but he's driving at an OK pace well within the confines of the road.
Why didn't 'He's not trying to get away or driving dangerously' come into the decision making process?
For a 70 year old disabled person he drives better than many younger adults not playing any disability card.
And he may not have?
People make unfathomable choices and decisions everyday don't they, whether they're driving or not.
An assumption was made?
That driving looked OK to me. So he's not stopped but he's driving at an OK pace well within the confines of the road.
Why didn't 'He's not trying to get away or driving dangerously' come into the decision making process?
For a 70 year old disabled person he drives better than many younger adults not playing any disability card.
He wasn't stopping though, was he? 40, 15 or 140mph, he wasn't stopping, therefore it's a pursuit.
If he really, honestly thought he was getting an "escort" home, then he perhaps needs a leaf through a copy of the highway code.Including Especially the bits that tell you what to do when there's a Police vehicle behind you with B&2 going.
And yes, it may look over the top, but without knowing what was said to the Police at the first stop, we may never know whether or not their actions at the second stop were justified or not. The commentary hardly sounds like someone in the throes of red mist, does it?
Maybe he said "Flick off, I'm not waiting for a ticket". Maybe they hadn't got his details then, so didn't know whether or not he was legitimately in possession of the vehicle. There are plenty of "older" vehicle thieves, who are less likely to attract attention and therefore get stopped, but will fail to stop when requested to do so. "Older" drivers are used to ferry vehicles after they have been stolen.
But as usual, we don't know the full circs, other than the bit of the video we've seen, and some "reporting" in the Daily Mail.
If he really, honestly thought he was getting an "escort" home, then he perhaps needs a leaf through a copy of the highway code.
And yes, it may look over the top, but without knowing what was said to the Police at the first stop, we may never know whether or not their actions at the second stop were justified or not. The commentary hardly sounds like someone in the throes of red mist, does it?
Maybe he said "Flick off, I'm not waiting for a ticket". Maybe they hadn't got his details then, so didn't know whether or not he was legitimately in possession of the vehicle. There are plenty of "older" vehicle thieves, who are less likely to attract attention and therefore get stopped, but will fail to stop when requested to do so. "Older" drivers are used to ferry vehicles after they have been stolen.
But as usual, we don't know the full circs, other than the bit of the video we've seen, and some "reporting" in the Daily Mail.
carinaman said:
Safety?
Standing on the bonnet?
Not ensuring it had the handbrake on?
Safety? He was doing 40mph and didn't touch the solid white line once.
They can quickly jump of the bonnet.Standing on the bonnet?
Not ensuring it had the handbrake on?
Safety? He was doing 40mph and didn't touch the solid white line once.
They can not do anything about the handbrake until they get inside the car.Seriously think about your comment
So just because he is doing 40mph you think it is safe.What if he went faster?
He only stopped because there was a stinger.
As said above there is more to this than meets the eye, but we only get the bits that sell The Mail.
However the best bit is the comment left by "Ronnierack, Weybridge UK"
"Why is it that traffic police attracts bullies and gun hoes. Is it the feeling of power that they have when driving around the roads knowing that they create a sense of panic in some drivers. Thank goodness their fantasy world is not supplied with hand guns. Every speed cop should be mentally assessed before turning loose on the roads"
However the best bit is the comment left by "Ronnierack, Weybridge UK"
"Why is it that traffic police attracts bullies and gun hoes. Is it the feeling of power that they have when driving around the roads knowing that they create a sense of panic in some drivers. Thank goodness their fantasy world is not supplied with hand guns. Every speed cop should be mentally assessed before turning loose on the roads"
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