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Hedders

24,460 posts

248 months

Thursday 5th August 2010
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TPS said:
In my eyes,yes it was.
He had failed to stop and had committed other offences.there comes a point where they have to think of their own safety and that of the public.What if he drove off again and then drove faster.
He had a choice to stop,he did not so he has to accept the end result.
They had his name and address already, if they possessed a brain cell between them i think they could have made an educated guess he was just going home. A sensible person would have just followed him home and then had a word. All that was achieved lots of damage to private property and putting one member of public in harms way and glass being spread over the road to add more danger for other motorists.

Very sensible policing!


mph1977

12,467 posts

169 months

Thursday 5th August 2010
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FasterFreddy said:
Mr Dave said:
And 15 whacks with a baton including running up and hitting the window to break it? Police need something better to break modern car windows with. saw that a few times when police are trying to break car windows.
Sure, but as I said they seem to like bashing things with their big sticks. The first plod to get one of these out would get the piss taken out of him something rotten...



Edited by FasterFreddy on Thursday 5th August 17:31
single strike in the correct place with a life hammer or even a spring loaded centre punch does the trick - it's what Trumpton teach their own staff and any Ambulance / VAS / Hospital staff who go on their RTC extrication training days , but its not 'shock and awe'

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

256 months

Thursday 5th August 2010
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TPS said:
carinaman said:
Safety?

Standing on the bonnet?

Not ensuring it had the handbrake on?

Safety? He was doing 40mph and didn't touch the solid white line once.
They can quickly jump of the bonnet.
They can not do anything about the handbrake until they get inside the car.Seriously think about your comment rolleyes
So just because he is doing 40mph you think it is safe.What if he went faster?
He only stopped because there was a stinger.
Would it not occur to you that an elderly man, driving calmly like that, is more than likey to be confused..?

Or would you smash the st out of his vehicle, just in case..?

Deva Link

26,934 posts

246 months

Thursday 5th August 2010
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TPS said:
They can quickly jump of the bonnet.
I presume the Officer did that to prevent him being able to see if he drove off again?

Bearing in mind the fuss the bloke made about his medical condition I'm surprised the court didn't take his licence off him.

And the dodgy numberplate and excessive tint are just so stereotypical.

Dibble

12,941 posts

241 months

Thursday 5th August 2010
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Hedders said:
They had his name and address already...
Sorry if I've missed it, but I've just re-read the article, and I can't see where it says that.

Even if he had given "a" name and address, even the keeper's details, had they been verified? I've dealt with people who have given the keeper's details from stuff they've ratted in the glove box, having just stolen the vehicle they're in. Not many, but it happens.

Of course, the other side of the argument/discussion is that the BiB were acting like cocks and went over the top.

Hedders

24,460 posts

248 months

Thursday 5th August 2010
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TPS said:
So just because he is doing 40mph you think it is safe.What if he went faster?
How fast do you suspect he might have gone? 50? 60? 70mph?? :EEK: oh my gosh. It is too scary to contemplate. But you are right, he might have even gone at what, 140mph in that car..140mph!!!

Throw the book at him, i can't believe he could have been doing 140mph on that road given the chance. what a nutcase!!!

He deserved everything he got, the potential for death and destruction was huge!!





JM

3,170 posts

207 months

Thursday 5th August 2010
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defblade said:
Just cos he's old, doesn't mean he's a nice bloke.
+1

Was he driving slowly to make it easier for him to conceal drugs or something else, was he phoneing ahead to warn someone else. The police didn't know what he was doing/arranging other than he drove off during a stop.


Hedders

24,460 posts

248 months

Thursday 5th August 2010
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Dibble said:
Hedders said:
They had his name and address already...
Sorry if I've missed it, but I've just re-read the article, and I can't see where it says that.

Even if he had given "a" name and address, even the keeper's details, had they been verified? I've dealt with people who have given the keeper's details from stuff they've ratted in the glove box, having just stolen the vehicle they're in. Not many, but it happens.

Of course, the other side of the argument/discussion is that the BiB were acting like cocks and went over the top.
Have you ever had a 70yr old disabled Englishman* in a 60k car lie about his identity? Would you normally suspect such a person of telling porkies?

  • I specified englishman becuase i know some cultures tend to take advantage of the confusion of everybody having the same name.
I am sure the cops had no doubt that they were not chasing a stolen vehicle, and were happy that they knew who this man was!


TPS

1,860 posts

214 months

Thursday 5th August 2010
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Hedders said:
They had his name and address already, if they possessed a brain cell between them i think they could have made an educated guess he was just going home. A sensible person would have just followed him home and then had a word. All that was achieved lots of damage to private property and putting one member of public in harms way and glass being spread over the road to add more danger for other motorists.

Very sensible policing!
They do not know why he would not stop though.Did he have something in the car he should not etc.
The damage to private property is a direct result of the drivers actions and I have no sympathy.
A little bit of glass in the road I doubt is going to cause a major issue,in fact for all we know the police may have swept it up after the incident.
Its this kind of attitude which helps contribute to the nanny state we are in.

10JH

2,070 posts

195 months

Thursday 5th August 2010
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Deva Link said:
TPS said:
They can quickly jump of the bonnet.
I presume the Officer did that to prevent him being able to see if he drove off again?
Seriously dangerous for the cop if the driver floored it. Especially on a Range Rover.

TPS

1,860 posts

214 months

Thursday 5th August 2010
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Hedders said:
TPS said:
So just because he is doing 40mph you think it is safe.What if he went faster?
How fast do you suspect he might have gone? 50? 60? 70mph?? :EEK: oh my gosh. It is too scary to contemplate. But you are right, he might have even gone at what, 140mph in that car..140mph!!!

Throw the book at him, i can't believe he could have been doing 140mph on that road given the chance. what a nutcase!!!

He deserved everything he got, the potential for death and destruction was huge!!
Tell you what then,you stand in front of a Range Rover and let it run you over at 40 or 50mph and report back on how it felt rolleyes

Dibble

12,941 posts

241 months

Thursday 5th August 2010
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Hedders said:
Dibble said:
Hedders said:
They had his name and address already...
Sorry if I've missed it, but I've just re-read the article, and I can't see where it says that.

Even if he had given "a" name and address, even the keeper's details, had they been verified? I've dealt with people who have given the keeper's details from stuff they've ratted in the glove box, having just stolen the vehicle they're in. Not many, but it happens.

Of course, the other side of the argument/discussion is that the BiB were acting like cocks and went over the top.
Have you ever had a 70yr old disabled Englishman* in a 60k car lie about his identity? Would you normally suspect such a person of telling porkies?

  • I specified englishman becuase i know some cultures tend to take advantage of the confusion of everybody having the same name.
I am sure the cops had no doubt that they were not chasing a stolen vehicle, and were happy that they knew who this man was!
I've had elderly lady drivers lie about who they are because they're pissed. I've dealt with "older" people in expensive cars for theft of same. Until I'm 100% satisfied with that person's identity, they're not going anywhere. This has sometimes meant that people have been arrested, as a last resort, to verify their identity. Of all those with suspect identity that I arrested (and I'm talking at least a couple of hundred), I think there were two that were genuine. I apologised to them for the inconvenience.

Some people play on their disability as they think it will lessen the penalty/help them get off. How did this man's disability manifest itself? Was it obvious to the officers, or did it not get mentioned until he got to Court?

I'm glad you are sure what the Police in this situation "knew". It must be supertastic being omniscient.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

256 months

Thursday 5th August 2010
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TPS said:
Hedders said:
TPS said:
So just because he is doing 40mph you think it is safe.What if he went faster?
How fast do you suspect he might have gone? 50? 60? 70mph?? :EEK: oh my gosh. It is too scary to contemplate. But you are right, he might have even gone at what, 140mph in that car..140mph!!!

Throw the book at him, i can't believe he could have been doing 140mph on that road given the chance. what a nutcase!!!

He deserved everything he got, the potential for death and destruction was huge!!
Tell you what then,you stand in front of a Range Rover and let it run you over at 40 or 50mph and report back on how it felt rolleyes
Did you not view the video, or are you being obtuse..?

There was nothing wrong with his driving.

eldar

21,872 posts

197 months

Thursday 5th August 2010
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oldsoak said:
So let's see, he gets stopped for no seat belt and whilst being dealt with makes off and is pursued for 8 miles and only stops because a stinger is waiting for him...
I'm not impressed either, I'd like to bet that his windscreen was smashed because he'd locked himself in and the police couldn't ensure he wouldn't be able to drive off again by taking the vehicle keys.
What the hell was he thinking to drive off in the middle of being dealt with in the first place?
Makes off and is pursued for 8 miles, without breaking the speed limit? Hardly an exciting car chase.



Dibble

12,941 posts

241 months

Thursday 5th August 2010
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mybrainhurts said:
Did you not view the video, or are you being obtuse..?

There was nothing wrong with his driving.
Apart from the rather obvious failing to stop...

erdnase

1,963 posts

202 months

Thursday 5th August 2010
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Got what he deserved IMO. He drove off during a police stop, and knew he was being pursued. He seemed to be lucid enough to know what a stinger was too, only stopping once he seen it.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

256 months

Thursday 5th August 2010
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Dibble said:
mybrainhurts said:
Did you not view the video, or are you being obtuse..?

There was nothing wrong with his driving.
Apart from the rather obvious failing to stop...
I was referring to the standard of his driving...stop being pedantic.


Dibble

12,941 posts

241 months

Thursday 5th August 2010
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mybrainhurts said:
Dibble said:
mybrainhurts said:
Did you not view the video, or are you being obtuse..?

There was nothing wrong with his driving.
Apart from the rather obvious failing to stop...
I was referring to the standard of his driving...stop being pedantic.
So it's ok not to stop for the Police, as long as it's "safe"?

Mr_annie_vxr

9,270 posts

212 months

Thursday 5th August 2010
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Mail writes article to get a certain response. Mail gets response.

Mail writes article to get readers to insert own facts. Readers as evidenced here do just that based on the very ill informed prejudices against the police the mail has already worked hard on to inflate and grow.

He hadn't given his name. His age and disability ( if it exists) were claimed later. Yet still posters here manage to make the leap the officers knew of them.

Is it worth trying to point out to posters the other possible side?

Not really as those deep seated prejudices are quite alive and well.

Daily mail. Truths what you make it.

I'm shocked the driver wasn't a promising footballer.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

256 months

Thursday 5th August 2010
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Dibble said:
mybrainhurts said:
Dibble said:
mybrainhurts said:
Did you not view the video, or are you being obtuse..?

There was nothing wrong with his driving.
Apart from the rather obvious failing to stop...
I was referring to the standard of his driving...stop being pedantic.
So it's ok not to stop for the Police, as long as it's "safe"?
No, I wasn't talking about his legal obligations. I was talking about the manner in which he conducted his motor car. Stop changing the subject. Why do you lot keep doing that? Tunnel vision training..? hehe