Immigration question - relationship breakdown
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Looking for some help/advice/pointers please. This is a true story by the way!
I have a friend who, for reasons too complicated to go into, entered into a civil partnership in Brazil (not the uk) with a man from Brazil.
He has been living in her house here in the uk for around 9 months. It’s clear that the relationship is over and they now only communicate by text message despite being under the same roof.
She is his sponsor in the uk for his temporary visa.
She has told him that she wants him out of her house. She originally told him that she is happy to continue to sponsor him whilst he tries to find a job and alternative accommodation, but she put a two month timescale on this. This was a week or so.
He has since replied (on text!) that he won’t be leaving the house and ‘the courts will decide’
Obviously this changes the tone from my friend trying to be reasonable to now needing him gone and out of her life.
I’ve told her not to do anything until she has a plan in place so as not to potentially prejudice anything/his removal.
So yes he obviously needs to be gone, however what are the starting steps? She doesn’t have the money to engage solicitors etc.
Is it contacting uk immigration and simply telling them that she is no longer prepared to sponsor him? If so, how does she go about it?
She can obviously google phone numbers , but I was hoping that there may be some specialists on here who might be able to give an over view of the process so that she follows it correctly.
The other factor is that she is obviously essentially a lone woman who is living in the same house as a man she is about to try and get deported so there are clearly personal risks that she needs to manage and be factored into any course of action.
I have a friend who, for reasons too complicated to go into, entered into a civil partnership in Brazil (not the uk) with a man from Brazil.
He has been living in her house here in the uk for around 9 months. It’s clear that the relationship is over and they now only communicate by text message despite being under the same roof.
She is his sponsor in the uk for his temporary visa.
She has told him that she wants him out of her house. She originally told him that she is happy to continue to sponsor him whilst he tries to find a job and alternative accommodation, but she put a two month timescale on this. This was a week or so.
He has since replied (on text!) that he won’t be leaving the house and ‘the courts will decide’
Obviously this changes the tone from my friend trying to be reasonable to now needing him gone and out of her life.
I’ve told her not to do anything until she has a plan in place so as not to potentially prejudice anything/his removal.
So yes he obviously needs to be gone, however what are the starting steps? She doesn’t have the money to engage solicitors etc.
Is it contacting uk immigration and simply telling them that she is no longer prepared to sponsor him? If so, how does she go about it?
She can obviously google phone numbers , but I was hoping that there may be some specialists on here who might be able to give an over view of the process so that she follows it correctly.
The other factor is that she is obviously essentially a lone woman who is living in the same house as a man she is about to try and get deported so there are clearly personal risks that she needs to manage and be factored into any course of action.
Thanks guys.
That link is very helpful
She has tried the if you move out in two months I won’t dob you in approach in the first instance. This hasn’t worked.
Getting the boys round is one way but it runs the risk of reprisals and potentially complicating matters with the police etc when he needs to be gone.
She’s safe for now as he believes he has some control of the situation.
The solution needs to be as clean and as quick as possible.
That link is very helpful
She has tried the if you move out in two months I won’t dob you in approach in the first instance. This hasn’t worked.
Getting the boys round is one way but it runs the risk of reprisals and potentially complicating matters with the police etc when he needs to be gone.
She’s safe for now as he believes he has some control of the situation.
The solution needs to be as clean and as quick as possible.
Do you know what happens once the home office is informed?
I see there’s an option for the contents of the report not to be divulged to the person who’s being sponsored.
Obviously she needs to avoid a situation where the HO send him a nice letter asking him to leave as that has the potential to end very badly. I’m not saying it will but as a lone woman she is scared of this.
I should add that he doesn’t have the means to leave the uk by himself (although she’ll buy him a ticket!
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The best solution is for a couple of immigration officers to turn up and escort off somewhere else. Just not sure if this is likely to happen. Or alternatively how does she ensure that this happens?
I see there’s an option for the contents of the report not to be divulged to the person who’s being sponsored.
Obviously she needs to avoid a situation where the HO send him a nice letter asking him to leave as that has the potential to end very badly. I’m not saying it will but as a lone woman she is scared of this.
I should add that he doesn’t have the means to leave the uk by himself (although she’ll buy him a ticket!
)The best solution is for a couple of immigration officers to turn up and escort off somewhere else. Just not sure if this is likely to happen. Or alternatively how does she ensure that this happens?
She has been supporting him, not least by giving him a roof over his head (which she owns). Although he has now found a small job which has been enough for him to buy a shed as she told him she was no longer prepared to taxi him everywhere.
The job has now prompted her to tell him she wants him gone in two months (in an attempt to keep it civil/risk free). He’s now said no, hence the current situation.
She could write to him as you suggest but that escalates the situation when he’s still in her house.
The solution might be as simple as changing the locks when he’s out, but that will inevitably cause a situation when he returns. And a ‘scene’ might be inevitable regardless, but I suppose it’s about planning for it and controlling it as best as possible to minimise her risks. Including not doing anything that might prejudice him getting kicked out.
The job has now prompted her to tell him she wants him gone in two months (in an attempt to keep it civil/risk free). He’s now said no, hence the current situation.
She could write to him as you suggest but that escalates the situation when he’s still in her house.
The solution might be as simple as changing the locks when he’s out, but that will inevitably cause a situation when he returns. And a ‘scene’ might be inevitable regardless, but I suppose it’s about planning for it and controlling it as best as possible to minimise her risks. Including not doing anything that might prejudice him getting kicked out.
It’s a Brazilian civil partnership as opposed to a uk one.
I think (and I may be wrong) but the key is that he’s only in this country because she sponsors him. If she ceases to do that, then he’s no longer entitled to stay in the uk.
He has stated in the (recent) past that he will accuse her of being abusive which may entitle him to stay in the uk for longer.
I have advised her to speak with various women’s charities as his refusal to leave the house is at the very least cohesive and controlling. She will also have a record of his behaviour.
I think (and I may be wrong) but the key is that he’s only in this country because she sponsors him. If she ceases to do that, then he’s no longer entitled to stay in the uk.
He has stated in the (recent) past that he will accuse her of being abusive which may entitle him to stay in the uk for longer.
I have advised her to speak with various women’s charities as his refusal to leave the house is at the very least cohesive and controlling. She will also have a record of his behaviour.
Thanks. Yes I’ve suggested the CAB to her.
I think it’s a blend of advice from CAB, women’s charities and the HO.
As it’s presently ‘under control’ (from a risk pov), I thought I would ask on here if anybody has any similar experience.
It’s defiantly one of those situations where once the button is pressed, it goes nuclear. Just trying to limit the fallout (to torture the metaphor further)
I think it’s a blend of advice from CAB, women’s charities and the HO.
As it’s presently ‘under control’ (from a risk pov), I thought I would ask on here if anybody has any similar experience.
It’s defiantly one of those situations where once the button is pressed, it goes nuclear. Just trying to limit the fallout (to torture the metaphor further)
Jordie Barretts sock said:
It seems like your friend just wants to find a way for him to be gone with no confrontation.
I don't see that as a possibility.
She needs to make a plan, and see it through. CAB seems like a good place to start. Perhaps a conversation with the local police station? At least that will formalise that she has contacted the police about him should it all get nasty.
Yes. This is my thinking exactly. But she needs a plan before she goes off half cocked. I don't see that as a possibility.
She needs to make a plan, and see it through. CAB seems like a good place to start. Perhaps a conversation with the local police station? At least that will formalise that she has contacted the police about him should it all get nasty.
dudleybloke said:
She should strike first with any allegations.
Feck him.
Yes, this was my feeling tooFeck him.
Re civil partnership vs immigration. I have another friend who has married an American (in the US). She’s having to go through all sorts of hoops to move over there with him. I get the impression that one mistake in that process and she’ll never get there permanently regardless of whether they’re married. If they separated during the process there’s no way she’d get to go over there even though she got married in the US.
The impression I get (rightly or wrongly) that it would be similar here but as above, expert advice is needed.
Thanks for advice guys.
As you can see she hasn’t been gung-ho about this, nor have I been baying for his blood. As others have picked up, turning this into a massive confrontation is the last thing anybody what’s.
She has so far told him that it’s over and she wants him out the house. Rather than leave that open ended (so he never does it), she put a two month timescale on it.
He’s turned around and said no, I’m not leaving.
She now has a choice. Either he stays in her house indefinitely or she has to start the process of getting him out of there. If she does the latter, then she needs to do so as safely as possible whilst at the same time not doing something that later inadvertently trips up the process.
Changing the locks and sending the boys round is an option, but it’s not the right one as he would be homeless. She would prefer (and is still willing) to help him move on. However at the moment he’s refusing to do so.
Her starting point and the purpose of this thread (other than to seek other opinions/validate or not current thinking) is to try and understand the process so that she can put it in motion so a fixed timeline is started, but in the meantime try and sort it amicably if at all possible. Not least because it reduces the risks for her.
I’ll update the thread with the outcome in case anybody is interested, but it may be a while for obvious reasons.
Thanks once again for all your thoughts and yes next time I’ll suggest she gets a Hollywood rather than a Brazilian.
As you can see she hasn’t been gung-ho about this, nor have I been baying for his blood. As others have picked up, turning this into a massive confrontation is the last thing anybody what’s.
She has so far told him that it’s over and she wants him out the house. Rather than leave that open ended (so he never does it), she put a two month timescale on it.
He’s turned around and said no, I’m not leaving.
She now has a choice. Either he stays in her house indefinitely or she has to start the process of getting him out of there. If she does the latter, then she needs to do so as safely as possible whilst at the same time not doing something that later inadvertently trips up the process.
Changing the locks and sending the boys round is an option, but it’s not the right one as he would be homeless. She would prefer (and is still willing) to help him move on. However at the moment he’s refusing to do so.
Her starting point and the purpose of this thread (other than to seek other opinions/validate or not current thinking) is to try and understand the process so that she can put it in motion so a fixed timeline is started, but in the meantime try and sort it amicably if at all possible. Not least because it reduces the risks for her.
I’ll update the thread with the outcome in case anybody is interested, but it may be a while for obvious reasons.
Thanks once again for all your thoughts and yes next time I’ll suggest she gets a Hollywood rather than a Brazilian.
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