Seriously unimpressed
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The speeds attained don't look like someone fleeing do they?
How many police chases have we seen on TV where the police have pulled back instead of pursuing the vehicle?
Not wearing a seatbelt, a non-conforming number plate, heavily tinted windows?
Couldn't they have just got the address of the registered keeper and if it was local send a car, possibly an unmarked one there to wait for the driver to get home?
The car does fit the stereotype of criminal or soccer player, but that doesn't excuse it.
How many police chases have we seen on TV where the police have pulled back instead of pursuing the vehicle?
Not wearing a seatbelt, a non-conforming number plate, heavily tinted windows?
Couldn't they have just got the address of the registered keeper and if it was local send a car, possibly an unmarked one there to wait for the driver to get home?
The car does fit the stereotype of criminal or soccer player, but that doesn't excuse it.
Someone is making a run for it at 40mph?
He didn't touch the solid white line on the footage. I'm not defnding him, but talk about using a sledge hammer to smash a nut.
Was the response proportionate?
No effort to communicate, just run up to the window with the asp already swung over the shoulder ready to swing?
He didn't touch the solid white line on the footage. I'm not defnding him, but talk about using a sledge hammer to smash a nut.
Was the response proportionate?
No effort to communicate, just run up to the window with the asp already swung over the shoulder ready to swing?
Safety?
Standing on the bonnet?
Not ensuring it had the handbrake on?
Safety? He was doing 40mph and didn't touch the solid white line once.
As pointed out before, we've often seen on police, camera, action type programmes the police pull back from a vehicle being chased as it was deemed too dangerous.
It looked like it was being driven quite safely to me.
It could argued that pursuing the Range Rover just made the situation more dangerous.
Standing on the bonnet?
Not ensuring it had the handbrake on?
Safety? He was doing 40mph and didn't touch the solid white line once.
As pointed out before, we've often seen on police, camera, action type programmes the police pull back from a vehicle being chased as it was deemed too dangerous.
It looked like it was being driven quite safely to me.
It could argued that pursuing the Range Rover just made the situation more dangerous.
'He may have had more to hide'?
And he may not have?
People make unfathomable choices and decisions everyday don't they, whether they're driving or not.
An assumption was made?
That driving looked OK to me. So he's not stopped but he's driving at an OK pace well within the confines of the road.
Why didn't 'He's not trying to get away or driving dangerously' come into the decision making process?
For a 70 year old disabled person he drives better than many younger adults not playing any disability card.
And he may not have?
People make unfathomable choices and decisions everyday don't they, whether they're driving or not.
An assumption was made?
That driving looked OK to me. So he's not stopped but he's driving at an OK pace well within the confines of the road.
Why didn't 'He's not trying to get away or driving dangerously' come into the decision making process?
For a 70 year old disabled person he drives better than many younger adults not playing any disability card.
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/2010/...
Perhaps the Welsh paper, link provided by JMorgan earlier is part of the Daily Mail Northcliffe publishing group. It has audio.
What the Mail writes alters what's seen in the video does it?
It's a bit rich taking a pop at press when the Home Office had Chief Constables lobbying MPs over the detention of suspected terrorists?
It's the job of the police to be lobbyists?
MPs are supposed to represent us.
Perhaps the Welsh paper, link provided by JMorgan earlier is part of the Daily Mail Northcliffe publishing group. It has audio.
What the Mail writes alters what's seen in the video does it?
It's a bit rich taking a pop at press when the Home Office had Chief Constables lobbying MPs over the detention of suspected terrorists?
It's the job of the police to be lobbyists?
MPs are supposed to represent us.
I'm not trying to vilify the police.
That just reads like playing a card to me.
I spoke to a PCSO yesterday. I know several police.
What's of interest is the way that incident was handled.
I'm trying to square that behaviour, that course of action with the police that I know.
A few weeks ago when the news that no officer was to be prosecuted over the death of Tomlinson a radio station broadcast a comment from a listener about how the police were becoming like a paramilitary force with their black uniforms, balaclavas and how Transit vans still have the mesh windscreens and how that's a throwback to the days of the miners strike. I heard the comment, and I thought 'Guardian reading, lettuce hugging prat'. I disregarded the comment, partially because of the police I know and how I've been dealt with by the police and also because I know that a few police vehicles that have been attacked in my town.
When you see footage like that you could think that the radio respondent calling the police a paramilitary force has a point.
'The press have an agenda'?
I watched Emergency Bikes on Channel 5 lastnight, I was out when it was transmitted but watched it later.
Does 'The press have an agenda' gripe have any validity when so much TV output is police, camera, action type programmes that are little more than pro-police advertising, and at times border on being propaganda?
Isn't it like celebs that are adept at using the media to secure their infamy and earnings and then gripe about the papparazzi and whinge to the press complaints commission?
The police only want positive press?
That just reads like playing a card to me.
I spoke to a PCSO yesterday. I know several police.
What's of interest is the way that incident was handled.
I'm trying to square that behaviour, that course of action with the police that I know.
A few weeks ago when the news that no officer was to be prosecuted over the death of Tomlinson a radio station broadcast a comment from a listener about how the police were becoming like a paramilitary force with their black uniforms, balaclavas and how Transit vans still have the mesh windscreens and how that's a throwback to the days of the miners strike. I heard the comment, and I thought 'Guardian reading, lettuce hugging prat'. I disregarded the comment, partially because of the police I know and how I've been dealt with by the police and also because I know that a few police vehicles that have been attacked in my town.
When you see footage like that you could think that the radio respondent calling the police a paramilitary force has a point.
'The press have an agenda'?
I watched Emergency Bikes on Channel 5 lastnight, I was out when it was transmitted but watched it later.
Does 'The press have an agenda' gripe have any validity when so much TV output is police, camera, action type programmes that are little more than pro-police advertising, and at times border on being propaganda?
Isn't it like celebs that are adept at using the media to secure their infamy and earnings and then gripe about the papparazzi and whinge to the press complaints commission?
The police only want positive press?
Edited by carinaman on Thursday 5th August 19:39
Edited by carinaman on Thursday 5th August 19:41
'He isn't, or probably isn't, a dangerous criminal and probably doesn't need teaching a lesson. Hang on, he does need teaching a lesson as he is obviously just a pompous fool who thinks the police have no business stopping him and he shouldn't have to abide by traffic laws. I don't want to share space on the road with someone like that.'
It's all a bit David Soul in Magnum Force isn't it?
And some want to get rid of juries?
There are many I don't want to share the road with, but I suspect that the police smashing their windscreens and jumping on their bonnets is probably not the best way of dealing with it?
It's all a bit David Soul in Magnum Force isn't it?
And some want to get rid of juries?
There are many I don't want to share the road with, but I suspect that the police smashing their windscreens and jumping on their bonnets is probably not the best way of dealing with it?
The police secure convictions based on evidence.
Why should the police assume the worse possible scenario?
It's the lesson of Jo Moore? Don't put anything in an Email you wouldn't be happy to see on the front page of a newspaper?
Don't do anything on camera that you may come to regret, or may reconsider later?
Why didn't they just send a car to his home to wait for him?
Was there really nothing else going on that corner of Wales the police could have been doing at that moment of time?
'He could have........
It won't wash will it after the WMD fairy tale, or the precautionary principle so beloved of the climate change scaremongers?
I could have a Ferrari and a foot long penis.
But I don't.
Why should the police assume the worse possible scenario?
It's the lesson of Jo Moore? Don't put anything in an Email you wouldn't be happy to see on the front page of a newspaper?
Don't do anything on camera that you may come to regret, or may reconsider later?
Why didn't they just send a car to his home to wait for him?
Was there really nothing else going on that corner of Wales the police could have been doing at that moment of time?
'He could have........
It won't wash will it after the WMD fairy tale, or the precautionary principle so beloved of the climate change scaremongers?
I could have a Ferrari and a foot long penis.
But I don't.
Mr annie VXR if he was formerly Robert with the untaxed 106 how has he progressed to a Range Rover?
Pension? Damages from that previous complaint against the police? Proceeds of crime? An inheritance?
He stopped for the stinger.
Leave the stinger in the road and if he pulls off he'll go over it? Or they don't work at 10mph?
Leave the stinger in the road, try opening the door and asking him to lower the window?
Perhaps the police need some device that can quickly deflate tyres of stationary vehichles next to a road? Preferably not a gun.
Pension? Damages from that previous complaint against the police? Proceeds of crime? An inheritance?
He stopped for the stinger.
Leave the stinger in the road and if he pulls off he'll go over it? Or they don't work at 10mph?
Leave the stinger in the road, try opening the door and asking him to lower the window?
Perhaps the police need some device that can quickly deflate tyres of stationary vehichles next to a road? Preferably not a gun.
Edited by carinaman on Thursday 5th August 20:22
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