integra type r appreciating? future classic
Discussion
We all know how iconic the integra type r dc2 is.
At the time of release it had the highest output per litre for a n/a production car.The engine was special,so special honda lost money on the early models,now thats cool,not many companies can claim that nowadays,in todays world of mass produced effiecient hybrid and turbo playstation cars.
And at a time when real drivers cars like the 996/997 gt3 and honda type r range,with na engines and manual shift are being phased out to make way for the next generation of turbocharged engines and softer chassis with paddle shift,surely these origional drivers cars are going to be far more saught after.Just look at what honda have announced,they are developing the worlds first vtech turbo for their type r rang
It wasnt just the engine,that chassis is like something sent back in time from space, so far ahead of its time.
From things like corner weight balancing,lighter glass,monoque welded body,helical lsd..... this was a real race car for the road.
It beat most cars in its class and in a class just above,nothing with front wheel drive and an na engine could touch it,it even beat the impreza in an endurance battle when the imprezas brakes burnt out.
At the time honda were on a roll with the nsx being developed and their engineers working with senna and formula 1,the technology that went into this car was second to none.
My question is this,are we seeing the beginning of a long climb in value for this legend? When you think it will soon be approaching 20 years since first one rolled out in 1995,and i think its safe to say we have seen the market bottom out.I have recently noticed a serious lack in decent dc2s on the market,auto trader,irish and japs sights all have very few.I think these are tell tail signs that any decent models are being held closely,for the very reason i am writing article.
We know this wont be a rapid climb like an nsx r or a 911 gt3 rs 4.0,but i certainly believe its on the up,after all this car is closely linked to the nsx r,giving it a direct connection to the arton senna legacy.
Whats everyones opinion on this
And which model will be worth investing in? An early 96 with the hand ported and polished engine? or a 98 spec with improved gearing,torque and suspension?
And at what rate do we expect this future classic to appreciate??
Thanks for reading.
At the time of release it had the highest output per litre for a n/a production car.The engine was special,so special honda lost money on the early models,now thats cool,not many companies can claim that nowadays,in todays world of mass produced effiecient hybrid and turbo playstation cars.
And at a time when real drivers cars like the 996/997 gt3 and honda type r range,with na engines and manual shift are being phased out to make way for the next generation of turbocharged engines and softer chassis with paddle shift,surely these origional drivers cars are going to be far more saught after.Just look at what honda have announced,they are developing the worlds first vtech turbo for their type r rang
It wasnt just the engine,that chassis is like something sent back in time from space, so far ahead of its time.
From things like corner weight balancing,lighter glass,monoque welded body,helical lsd..... this was a real race car for the road.
It beat most cars in its class and in a class just above,nothing with front wheel drive and an na engine could touch it,it even beat the impreza in an endurance battle when the imprezas brakes burnt out.
At the time honda were on a roll with the nsx being developed and their engineers working with senna and formula 1,the technology that went into this car was second to none.
My question is this,are we seeing the beginning of a long climb in value for this legend? When you think it will soon be approaching 20 years since first one rolled out in 1995,and i think its safe to say we have seen the market bottom out.I have recently noticed a serious lack in decent dc2s on the market,auto trader,irish and japs sights all have very few.I think these are tell tail signs that any decent models are being held closely,for the very reason i am writing article.
We know this wont be a rapid climb like an nsx r or a 911 gt3 rs 4.0,but i certainly believe its on the up,after all this car is closely linked to the nsx r,giving it a direct connection to the arton senna legacy.
Whats everyones opinion on this
And which model will be worth investing in? An early 96 with the hand ported and polished engine? or a 98 spec with improved gearing,torque and suspension?
And at what rate do we expect this future classic to appreciate??
Thanks for reading.
Edited by dandc2 on Saturday 28th December 16:54
Edited by dandc2 on Sunday 29th December 12:42
I am currently in the market for one and already i have noticed a steel increase in asking price,average is now 5k in ireland.Big rise considering nust 2 years ago when i sold mine they were all goin for around 3k rarely there was one asking more than 4k.
Things im hearing from people is honest examples are dissapearing
Things im hearing from people is honest examples are dissapearing
Mastodon2 said:
They will never even close to the E30 M3s and Cosworths, they just don't have the racing heritage. Wishful thinking if anyone believes the value are going to skyrocket.
racing heritage is seen with the link to the nsx r which has racing heritage.and who senna gave a lot of input of suspension and body rigidity in the design.Honda have a vast racing heritage,the car came in the signature championship white from the hondas of the past in races,honda racing team go.back to the 50s.The dc2 itself was raced in japanease endurance races with often cars from a higher league.
SidewaysSi said:
Indeed , the lack of racing heritage is an issue if you are looking for significant appreciation. I can see them going the way of 205 GTIs or E30 325s for instance which have steadily increased but probably not enough to offset running costs in the majority of cases.
Saying all this, as a driver's car, is it better than the E30 M3 and 205? I could make a strong argument for it being harder and more special than both.
Mine is my practical car, used at weekends only but used and enjoyed. It is a cared for example which gets everything it needs. Lovely car to drive and still special after 5 years of ownership. Is there anything this side of a 996 GT3 which offers the same focus?
I do need to change it pretty soon but I honestly don't know what to get and much as I have thought of many different cars, I know nothing for remotely the same price bracket will give me the same blend of fun and reliability.
Here is mine - it always seems to be worth a lot more than its actual monetary value:
nice model,love the origional wheels.Bow many miles on her?Saying all this, as a driver's car, is it better than the E30 M3 and 205? I could make a strong argument for it being harder and more special than both.
Mine is my practical car, used at weekends only but used and enjoyed. It is a cared for example which gets everything it needs. Lovely car to drive and still special after 5 years of ownership. Is there anything this side of a 996 GT3 which offers the same focus?
I do need to change it pretty soon but I honestly don't know what to get and much as I have thought of many different cars, I know nothing for remotely the same price bracket will give me the same blend of fun and reliability.
Here is mine - it always seems to be worth a lot more than its actual monetary value:
Edited by SidewaysSi on Saturday 11th January 12:16
Uk spec - 187bhp de tuned to 95ron fuel
JDM spec - 197bhp origional jap.car ecu was factory tuned to run super goving.it higher bhp.
They are equipt with the jdm spec lights which in honesty is the "REAL" integra type r look,thats how they were made,98 spec from japan came with all extras that any other 98spec came with (stainless header,uprated suspension,bigger wheels n brakes etc).
The real gem to have is an origional jdm,uk spec are a varient of the origional,only worth more in the uk.
There are 1000's of mint condition low mileage models left in japan being auctioned all the time,most cars mileage can be accounted for as the car goes through government mot style testing where mileage is recorded.
The type rx from year 2000 was the pick of the bunch,only available from japan,had reworked cranksaft and drivesahfts,hubs all uprated from honda.
JDM spec - 197bhp origional jap.car ecu was factory tuned to run super goving.it higher bhp.
They are equipt with the jdm spec lights which in honesty is the "REAL" integra type r look,thats how they were made,98 spec from japan came with all extras that any other 98spec came with (stainless header,uprated suspension,bigger wheels n brakes etc).
The real gem to have is an origional jdm,uk spec are a varient of the origional,only worth more in the uk.
There are 1000's of mint condition low mileage models left in japan being auctioned all the time,most cars mileage can be accounted for as the car goes through government mot style testing where mileage is recorded.
The type rx from year 2000 was the pick of the bunch,only available from japan,had reworked cranksaft and drivesahfts,hubs all uprated from honda.
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