EVs at Castle Coombe

EVs at Castle Coombe

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E-bmw

9,318 posts

153 months

Wednesday 3rd April
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grahamsimmonds said:
Ken_Code said:
You seem completely unable to separate severity from probability. If a car goes into the barriers things happen to it which are sub-optimal, including batteries being short-circuited. When that happens the resultant fire is far more difficult to deal with than a petrol fire, given the chemical properties of lithium.

You are giving an excellent example here of a little knowledge being a dangerous thing.
I think I understand the difference between probability and severity only too well. I have attended over 50 track days in my Taycan and it has not blown up, caught fire or any other circumstance your furtive imagination can come up with. It has never broken down or caused a red flag. Like all Porsches, it is designed for track use. If I thought for one minute that it was not safe to drive it on a track, I would not do so. In fact, I would venture that it is much safer than many of the jalopies that turn up on track days, that end up causing red flags due to poor maintenance.
And once again, you are completely ignoring severity/consequence.


E-bmw

9,318 posts

153 months

Wednesday 3rd April
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grahamsimmonds said:
matt5964 said:
Not to mention the costs involved as well as possible infrastructure improvements , not to even mention that the circuit owner may not event want to have EVs on there circuit at this point, after all it’s there decision to make
I think you may have hit the nail on the head there. Certainly Anglesey does not want EVs on its circuit at this time. Knowing that there is no evidence whatsoever to back this decision up on safety grounds, it will be solely down to a bias against EVs, based on ignorance.
You talk about ignorance & are STILL completely ignoring the other half of the risk assessment in your ignorance.

EV fire fighting.

https://www.evfiresafe.com/ev-fire-suppression-met...


Wh00sher

1,602 posts

219 months

Wednesday 3rd April
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As I said but you chose to ignore it your quoting.

IF an EV has a fire on circuit, from a crash or another issues the stoppage is likely to end the day for everyone else.

That wouldn't happen with an ice car.

You can bluster and obfuscate this fact all you want but it doesn't change reality.

Anglesey have decided it's an unnecessary risk for everyone else, likelihood is low but it is NOT zero.

carlo996

6,002 posts

22 months

Wednesday 3rd April
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grahamsimmonds said:
Heavy yes. Ponderous no. 680 bhp and a 0-60 time under 3 seconds is not ponderous.
It’s not a track car. If there is an issue which results in fire the circuit isn’t equipped to deal with it. How is that ignorance, it’s more like your entitlement getting in the way of logic.

Edited by carlo996 on Wednesday 3rd April 20:51

matt5964

55 posts

17 months

Wednesday 3rd April
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Ken_Code said:
Quite why you want to take such a heavy, ponderous car on the track in the first place is a bit of a mystery too.
Because it does all the driving for you making you the quickest on track, which as we all know is the most important thing for the day..lol

I’ll stick to my un nano’ed, no aids Lotus, where if it turns a decent lap it’s the driver that has nailed it not the computer’s, do i care about the top speed, 0-60 or lap time… not one bit.

mrfunex

546 posts

175 months

Yesterday (17:13)
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grahamsimmonds said:
Heavy yes. Ponderous no. 680 bhp and a 0-60 time under 3 seconds is not ponderous.
Be interesting to hear how a 0-60 time has ever been useful on a race circuit.

The problem clearly isn’t one of performance, or how often they might catch fire; but should an EV catch fire, they have proven rather tricky to put out.

48k

13,245 posts

149 months

The reasoning seems pretty logical and fair to me. If it's a manufacturer supported day or a race meeting, they can accomodate EVs and Hybrids because the manufacturer and the teams bring the appropriate support on site and it's a more controlled environment. If it's a trackday, circuit themselves don't have the equipment and training to know how to deal with each different manufacturers vehicle type. “I don’t want to put participants, marshals and medics in a situation where they can’t respond to an incident.” - seems reasonable.
Seeing how the circuit has evolved in the 25+ years I've been going there, I'm sure they will look at ways to develop their facilities and training to accommodate EVs and Hybrids if there is enough demand.

SpudLink

5,970 posts

193 months

mrfunex said:
grahamsimmonds said:
Heavy yes. Ponderous no. 680 bhp and a 0-60 time under 3 seconds is not ponderous.
Be interesting to hear how a 0-60 time has ever been useful on a race circuit.

The problem clearly isn’t one of performance, or how often they might catch fire; but should an EV catch fire, they have proven rather tricky to put out.
The start of a race? smile

Obviously no use on a trackday.

Ken_Code

984 posts

3 months

mrfunex said:
Be interesting to hear how a 0-60 time has ever been useful on a race circuit.

The problem clearly isn’t one of performance, or how often they might catch fire; but should an EV catch fire, they have proven rather tricky to put out.
I can’t really understand why people are pretending not to understand this for the purposes of winding others up.