CV19 - Cure Worse Than The Disease? (Vol 19)
Discussion
119 said:
jameswills said:
andyeds1234 said:
Ask anyone who would have died, had pharmaceutical intervention not been available?
Blood transfusions, organ transplants, chemotherapy, a million different surgeries etc etc etc.
I’m guessing those whose lives who were saved, are “wedded” to the idea that pharmaceutical intervention was paramount to their health.
Of course eating quinoa and meditating may have cured them, but then again…
I’ve had experience of pharmaceutical intervention myself of a family member, fully believe they would still be here today. What are people afraid of when it comes to “alternatives”? Why are the before natural remedies now the talk of witchcraft, but something made for profit by a massive organisation tied to government and forced upon you is the de facto standard?Blood transfusions, organ transplants, chemotherapy, a million different surgeries etc etc etc.
I’m guessing those whose lives who were saved, are “wedded” to the idea that pharmaceutical intervention was paramount to their health.
Of course eating quinoa and meditating may have cured them, but then again…
andyeds1234 said:
superlightr said:
pavarotti1980 said:
r3g said:
The links to the stories and news articles have been regularly shared by myself and others throughout the volumes of these threads. They are all still there for the reading, but as history has shown, you are simply not interested unless the URL starts with www.bbc. There are none so blind as those who will not see.
Well post them all up. I couldn't care less if it doesn't start with BBC. A radio presenter died due to complications from the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine, a coroner has found.
Lisa Shaw, who worked for BBC Radio Newcastle, died at the age of 44 in May after developing headaches a week after getting her first dose of the vaccine.
Newcastle coroner Karen Dilks heard Ms Shaw suffered blood clots in the brain which ultimately led to her death.
https://www.msn.com/en-za/health/other/man-28-who-...
A healthy 28-year-old man who died after being wrongly given the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine was told to 'count yourself lucky' when he was given it.
Alex Reid, an operations controller from Leeds, 'did not understand why' he was invited to get the vaccination early in March 2021 as a man in his late 20s who was otherwise healthy.
But he was given the AstraZeneca (AZ) vaccine just weeks before the government warned that people under the age of 30 should be given an alternative jab because the AZ shot was linked with an increased risk of blood clots.
Tragically, he died three months later.
Edited by superlightr on Sunday 12th May 14:47
A man died of a blood clot that was a "direct result" of having the AstraZeneca Covid jab, a coroner said.
Jack Last, 27, from Stowmarket, was vaccinated on 30 March 2021 and a week later was admitted to hospital after experiencing headaches and sickness.
A scan on 10 April revealed a cerebral venous sinus thrombosis (CVST) and he died 10 days later.
Senior coroner Nigel Parsley recorded a narrative conclusion at Suffolk Coroner's Court.
He said: "Jack Last died of a blood clot to the brain, caused as a direct result of his body's reaction to the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccination which he had received on March 30, 2021."
Edited by superlightr on Sunday 12th May 14:49
'Healthy' doctor, 32, died after rare severe reaction to AstraZeneca COVID jab, coroner concludes
Dr Stephen Wright, of Sevenoaks, Kent, was one of a small number of people to have had a severe reaction to the jab in what the coroner described as a "very unusual and deeply tragic case".
Wednesday 19 April 2023 18:21, UK
A woman who died from "unrecognised" complications after having a Covid-19 vaccine was wrongly diagnosed with gastroenteritis, a coroner has said.
An inquest heard Michelle Barlow developed blood clots and died 16 days after having the AstraZeneca jab.
Senior coroner Timothy Brennand said the 51-year-old, from Orrell, Wigan, may have received "sub-optimal care".
Wrightington, Wigan and Leigh Teaching Hospitals Trust said her treatment was "in line with appropriate guidance".
The inquest heard mother-of-two Mrs Barlow first went to Royal Albert Edward Infirmary in Wigan with flu-like "side effects" on 19 March, 12 days after getting a vaccine at a mass vaccination centre at Robin Park, Wigan.
Her husband Ian told Bolton Coroner's Court she felt "fobbed off" and was discharged, but returned the next day and was admitted, doctors suspecting gastroenteritis.
Three days later, Mr Barlow got a phone call from a nurse telling him to get to the hospital as soon as possible.
holy cow batman - thats just from 5mins of searching. Bit more vivid when you have a face to a name to a death and these are what a coroner has agreed is from adverse reactions to the vaccine. What about the ones that slipped the net or are injured or simply didnt get reported? Shocking.
Edited by superlightr on Sunday 12th May 14:53
Edited by superlightr on Sunday 12th May 14:55
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/13/daily-...
That was just from 10 seconds of searching.
Aspirin is a ticking timebomb, it’s an experimental drug etc etc.
I will never take an aspirin, and I can confidently say my choice was correct, based on those terrifying statistics.
Don’t get me started on peanuts.
“Somewhere around 150 to 200 people die in the U.S. each year because of food allergies. It's estimated that around 50 percent to 62 percent of those fatal cases of anaphylaxis were caused by peanut allergies”
Big peanut have a lot to answer for.
Edit: oh my goodness, I just stumbled across this, after just 5 more minutes on google.
https://news.sky.com/story/lost-to-covid-19-the-fa...
https://www.nbcnews.com/coronavirus-remembering-li...
https://time.com/6167025/one-millon-deaths-covid-1...
Apparently 100s and 100s of thousands of people died from this “Covid19” !!
If only there was pharmaceutical treatment, with a tiny %age of side effects, that could have helped those poor people!
Edited by andyeds1234 on Sunday 12th May 16:52
andyA700 said:
superlightr said:
andyeds1234 said:
superlightr said:
pavarotti1980 said:
r3g said:
The links to the stories and news articles have been regularly shared by myself and others throughout the volumes of these threads. They are all still there for the reading, but as history has shown, you are simply not interested unless the URL starts with www.bbc. There are none so blind as those who will not see.
Well post them all up. I couldn't care less if it doesn't start with BBC. A radio presenter died due to complications from the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine, a coroner has found.
Lisa Shaw, who worked for BBC Radio Newcastle, died at the age of 44 in May after developing headaches a week after getting her first dose of the vaccine.
Newcastle coroner Karen Dilks heard Ms Shaw suffered blood clots in the brain which ultimately led to her death.
https://www.msn.com/en-za/health/other/man-28-who-...
A healthy 28-year-old man who died after being wrongly given the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine was told to 'count yourself lucky' when he was given it.
Alex Reid, an operations controller from Leeds, 'did not understand why' he was invited to get the vaccination early in March 2021 as a man in his late 20s who was otherwise healthy.
But he was given the AstraZeneca (AZ) vaccine just weeks before the government warned that people under the age of 30 should be given an alternative jab because the AZ shot was linked with an increased risk of blood clots.
Tragically, he died three months later.
Edited by superlightr on Sunday 12th May 14:47
A man died of a blood clot that was a "direct result" of having the AstraZeneca Covid jab, a coroner said.
Jack Last, 27, from Stowmarket, was vaccinated on 30 March 2021 and a week later was admitted to hospital after experiencing headaches and sickness.
A scan on 10 April revealed a cerebral venous sinus thrombosis (CVST) and he died 10 days later.
Senior coroner Nigel Parsley recorded a narrative conclusion at Suffolk Coroner's Court.
He said: "Jack Last died of a blood clot to the brain, caused as a direct result of his body's reaction to the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccination which he had received on March 30, 2021."
Edited by superlightr on Sunday 12th May 14:49
'Healthy' doctor, 32, died after rare severe reaction to AstraZeneca COVID jab, coroner concludes
Dr Stephen Wright, of Sevenoaks, Kent, was one of a small number of people to have had a severe reaction to the jab in what the coroner described as a "very unusual and deeply tragic case".
Wednesday 19 April 2023 18:21, UK
A woman who died from "unrecognised" complications after having a Covid-19 vaccine was wrongly diagnosed with gastroenteritis, a coroner has said.
An inquest heard Michelle Barlow developed blood clots and died 16 days after having the AstraZeneca jab.
Senior coroner Timothy Brennand said the 51-year-old, from Orrell, Wigan, may have received "sub-optimal care".
Wrightington, Wigan and Leigh Teaching Hospitals Trust said her treatment was "in line with appropriate guidance".
The inquest heard mother-of-two Mrs Barlow first went to Royal Albert Edward Infirmary in Wigan with flu-like "side effects" on 19 March, 12 days after getting a vaccine at a mass vaccination centre at Robin Park, Wigan.
Her husband Ian told Bolton Coroner's Court she felt "fobbed off" and was discharged, but returned the next day and was admitted, doctors suspecting gastroenteritis.
Three days later, Mr Barlow got a phone call from a nurse telling him to get to the hospital as soon as possible.
holy cow batman - thats just from 5mins of searching. Bit more vivid when you have a face to a name to a death and these are what a coroner has agreed is from adverse reactions to the vaccine. What about the ones that slipped the net or are injured or simply didnt get reported? Shocking.
Edited by superlightr on Sunday 12th May 14:53
Edited by superlightr on Sunday 12th May 14:55
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/13/daily-...
That was just from 10 seconds of searching.
Aspirin is a ticking timebomb, it’s an experimental drug etc etc.
I will never take an aspirin, and I can confidently say my choice was correct, based on those terrifying statistics.
Don’t get me started on peanuts.
“Somewhere around 150 to 200 people die in the U.S. each year because of food allergies. It's estimated that around 50 percent to 62 percent of those fatal cases of anaphylaxis were caused by peanut allergies”
Big peanut have a lot to answer for.
Edit: oh my goodness, I just stumbled across this, after just 5 more minutes on google.
https://news.sky.com/story/lost-to-covid-19-the-fa...
https://www.nbcnews.com/coronavirus-remembering-li...
https://time.com/6167025/one-millon-deaths-covid-1...
Apparently 100s and 100s of thousands of people died from this “Covid19” !!
If only there was pharmaceutical treatment, with a tiny %age of side effects, that could have helped those poor people!
Edited by andyeds1234 on Sunday 12th May 16:52
funny eh? words fail me.
Read my follow up posts.
andyeds1234 said:
andyA700 said:
superlightr said:
andyeds1234 said:
superlightr said:
pavarotti1980 said:
r3g said:
The links to the stories and news articles have been regularly shared by myself and others throughout the volumes of these threads. They are all still there for the reading, but as history has shown, you are simply not interested unless the URL starts with www.bbc. There are none so blind as those who will not see.
Well post them all up. I couldn't care less if it doesn't start with BBC. A radio presenter died due to complications from the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine, a coroner has found.
Lisa Shaw, who worked for BBC Radio Newcastle, died at the age of 44 in May after developing headaches a week after getting her first dose of the vaccine.
Newcastle coroner Karen Dilks heard Ms Shaw suffered blood clots in the brain which ultimately led to her death.
https://www.msn.com/en-za/health/other/man-28-who-...
A healthy 28-year-old man who died after being wrongly given the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine was told to 'count yourself lucky' when he was given it.
Alex Reid, an operations controller from Leeds, 'did not understand why' he was invited to get the vaccination early in March 2021 as a man in his late 20s who was otherwise healthy.
But he was given the AstraZeneca (AZ) vaccine just weeks before the government warned that people under the age of 30 should be given an alternative jab because the AZ shot was linked with an increased risk of blood clots.
Tragically, he died three months later.
Edited by superlightr on Sunday 12th May 14:47
A man died of a blood clot that was a "direct result" of having the AstraZeneca Covid jab, a coroner said.
Jack Last, 27, from Stowmarket, was vaccinated on 30 March 2021 and a week later was admitted to hospital after experiencing headaches and sickness.
A scan on 10 April revealed a cerebral venous sinus thrombosis (CVST) and he died 10 days later.
Senior coroner Nigel Parsley recorded a narrative conclusion at Suffolk Coroner's Court.
He said: "Jack Last died of a blood clot to the brain, caused as a direct result of his body's reaction to the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccination which he had received on March 30, 2021."
Edited by superlightr on Sunday 12th May 14:49
'Healthy' doctor, 32, died after rare severe reaction to AstraZeneca COVID jab, coroner concludes
Dr Stephen Wright, of Sevenoaks, Kent, was one of a small number of people to have had a severe reaction to the jab in what the coroner described as a "very unusual and deeply tragic case".
Wednesday 19 April 2023 18:21, UK
A woman who died from "unrecognised" complications after having a Covid-19 vaccine was wrongly diagnosed with gastroenteritis, a coroner has said.
An inquest heard Michelle Barlow developed blood clots and died 16 days after having the AstraZeneca jab.
Senior coroner Timothy Brennand said the 51-year-old, from Orrell, Wigan, may have received "sub-optimal care".
Wrightington, Wigan and Leigh Teaching Hospitals Trust said her treatment was "in line with appropriate guidance".
The inquest heard mother-of-two Mrs Barlow first went to Royal Albert Edward Infirmary in Wigan with flu-like "side effects" on 19 March, 12 days after getting a vaccine at a mass vaccination centre at Robin Park, Wigan.
Her husband Ian told Bolton Coroner's Court she felt "fobbed off" and was discharged, but returned the next day and was admitted, doctors suspecting gastroenteritis.
Three days later, Mr Barlow got a phone call from a nurse telling him to get to the hospital as soon as possible.
holy cow batman - thats just from 5mins of searching. Bit more vivid when you have a face to a name to a death and these are what a coroner has agreed is from adverse reactions to the vaccine. What about the ones that slipped the net or are injured or simply didnt get reported? Shocking.
Edited by superlightr on Sunday 12th May 14:53
Edited by superlightr on Sunday 12th May 14:55
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/13/daily-...
That was just from 10 seconds of searching.
Aspirin is a ticking timebomb, it’s an experimental drug etc etc.
I will never take an aspirin, and I can confidently say my choice was correct, based on those terrifying statistics.
Don’t get me started on peanuts.
“Somewhere around 150 to 200 people die in the U.S. each year because of food allergies. It's estimated that around 50 percent to 62 percent of those fatal cases of anaphylaxis were caused by peanut allergies”
Big peanut have a lot to answer for.
Edit: oh my goodness, I just stumbled across this, after just 5 more minutes on google.
https://news.sky.com/story/lost-to-covid-19-the-fa...
https://www.nbcnews.com/coronavirus-remembering-li...
https://time.com/6167025/one-millon-deaths-covid-1...
Apparently 100s and 100s of thousands of people died from this “Covid19” !!
If only there was pharmaceutical treatment, with a tiny %age of side effects, that could have helped those poor people!
Edited by andyeds1234 on Sunday 12th May 16:52
funny eh? words fail me.
Read my follow up posts.
Address the actual issue of vaccine caused harms.
Anyone on a mobile is going to love all this nesting 
lol
He pretty much nails a lot of points that keep coming up on this thread.
Also very telling that the special ones have come to this thread and completely ignored it. No doubt he's on their "CTist" list as he didn't regurgitate the position of "The Science" which was blanket vaccination for everything that moves.
I really do wonder where this will end, if the evidence keeps showing risk/benefit doesn't add up and the coerced millions who didn't need it to take it.
As he says in the video, it's a taboo/career suicide for scientists to be researching this and producing papers that go against "The Science" of the pandemic.
Feel like there's too much ego/money/pride at stake for it to get the proper funding and studies it deserves.Is this the study that has been out for a little while now, that was framed by legacy media as 'showing a very slight risk for a tiny number of people'?
lolSlagathore said:
g3org3y said:
Also very telling that the special ones have come to this thread and completely ignored it. No doubt he's on their "CTist" list as he didn't regurgitate the position of "The Science" which was blanket vaccination for everything that moves.
I really do wonder where this will end, if the evidence keeps showing risk/benefit doesn't add up and the coerced millions who didn't need it to take it.
As he says in the video, it's a taboo/career suicide for scientists to be researching this and producing papers that go against "The Science" of the pandemic.
Feel like there's too much ego/money/pride at stake for it to get the proper funding and studies it deserves.
BigMon said:
I am genuinely sorry you feel like that. I think if your level of distrust of the medical profession is so profound then I honestly don't know what to say.
I think some healthy questioning of the medical profession can be quite warranted. Especially as this one, reported 4 days ago has 10,000 lawsuits being settled.
RSTurboPaul said:
Anyone on a mobile is going to love all this nesting lol
He pretty much nails a lot of points that keep coming up on this thread.
Also very telling that the special ones have come to this thread and completely ignored it. No doubt he's on their "CTist" list as he didn't regurgitate the position of "The Science" which was blanket vaccination for everything that moves.
I really do wonder where this will end, if the evidence keeps showing risk/benefit doesn't add up and the coerced millions who didn't need it to take it.
As he says in the video, it's a taboo/career suicide for scientists to be researching this and producing papers that go against "The Science" of the pandemic.
Feel like there's too much ego/money/pride at stake for it to get the proper funding and studies it deserves.Is this the study that has been out for a little while now, that was framed by legacy media as 'showing a very slight risk for a tiny number of people'?
That's how the study frames things too. Also of note is the way he describes myocarditis following pfizer vaccination as 'off the scale bad', but neglects to mention the rates from covid referred to in the study. lolSlagathore said:
g3org3y said:
Also very telling that the special ones have come to this thread and completely ignored it. No doubt he's on their "CTist" list as he didn't regurgitate the position of "The Science" which was blanket vaccination for everything that moves.
I really do wonder where this will end, if the evidence keeps showing risk/benefit doesn't add up and the coerced millions who didn't need it to take it.
As he says in the video, it's a taboo/career suicide for scientists to be researching this and producing papers that go against "The Science" of the pandemic.
Feel like there's too much ego/money/pride at stake for it to get the proper funding and studies it deserves.
Why can't people just link to the study instead of some presentation telling you what to think?
'What is meant by a common or rare adverse reaction?
The chance of having an adverse reaction can be described as:
Very common – this means that 1 in every 10 people taking the medicine are likely to have the adverse reaction
Common – this means that between 1 in 10 and 1 in 100 people may be affected
Uncommon – this means that between 1 in 100 and 1 in 1,000 people may be affected
Rare – means that between 1 in 1,000 and 1 in 10,000 people may be affected
Very rare – means that fewer than 1 in 10,000 people may be affected.'
Edited by Rollin on Monday 13th May 10:30
jameswills said:
I’ve asked this before, why are people so wedded to the idea that pharmaceutical intervention is paramount to human health? Have you not considered at all why they make so much money from it?
Anaesthetics. How dare those beastly companies make money out of reliving pain?https://richardswsmith.wordpress.com/2019/03/22/a-...
Rollin said:
RSTurboPaul said:
Anyone on a mobile is going to love all this nesting lol
He pretty much nails a lot of points that keep coming up on this thread.
Also very telling that the special ones have come to this thread and completely ignored it. No doubt he's on their "CTist" list as he didn't regurgitate the position of "The Science" which was blanket vaccination for everything that moves.
I really do wonder where this will end, if the evidence keeps showing risk/benefit doesn't add up and the coerced millions who didn't need it to take it.
As he says in the video, it's a taboo/career suicide for scientists to be researching this and producing papers that go against "The Science" of the pandemic.
Feel like there's too much ego/money/pride at stake for it to get the proper funding and studies it deserves.Is this the study that has been out for a little while now, that was framed by legacy media as 'showing a very slight risk for a tiny number of people'?
That's how the study frames things too. lolSlagathore said:
g3org3y said:
Also very telling that the special ones have come to this thread and completely ignored it. No doubt he's on their "CTist" list as he didn't regurgitate the position of "The Science" which was blanket vaccination for everything that moves.
I really do wonder where this will end, if the evidence keeps showing risk/benefit doesn't add up and the coerced millions who didn't need it to take it.
As he says in the video, it's a taboo/career suicide for scientists to be researching this and producing papers that go against "The Science" of the pandemic.
Feel like there's too much ego/money/pride at stake for it to get the proper funding and studies it deserves.
Because that sort of thing is frowned upon, apparently.
eldar said:
jameswills said:
I’ve asked this before, why are people so wedded to the idea that pharmaceutical intervention is paramount to human health? Have you not considered at all why they make so much money from it?
Anaesthetics. How dare those beastly companies make money out of reliving pain?https://richardswsmith.wordpress.com/2019/03/22/a-...
g3org3y said:
All he's really saying is that vaccine harms may have outweighed vaccine benefits in some groups, especially in 18-24 males where myocarditis cases have created a warning signal. That warning signal has been largely ignored by the public health authorities (notably the CDC in the USA).
Therefore, the coercion and, in some cases, mandating of Covid-19 vaccines to almost everybody was wrong and probably caused more harm than good. My own view is that it remains tricky to say who may have benefitted from Covid-19 vaccines. Over 90's? Almost certainly. Over 65's? Perhaps. Healthy under 65's? Probably not. The insistence on mass vaccination of millions against a virus that was a very small threat to them was, in my view, a disgrace and it's fair of Vinay Prasad to highlight this truth.
All that said, it's what the more sensible posters (not r3g or jameswills!) have been saying on this thread for some time.
jshell said:
I think some healthy questioning of the medical profession can be quite warranted. Especially as this one, reported 4 days ago has 10,000 lawsuits being settled.
Questioning is one thing. Active mistrust to the point where you don't believe what medical practitioners have to say is another thing entirely. BigMon said:
jshell said:
Questioning is one thing. Active mistrust to the point where you don't believe what medical practitioners have to say is another thing entirely. 
It’s not a case of not believing medical practitioners, it’s a case of verifying (to the best of one’s ability) that what they have to say is beneficial to one’s health and not detrimental - informed consent. The emphasis being on the word “informed”
Rollin said:
That's how the study frames things too. Also of note is the way he describes myocarditis following pfizer vaccination as 'off the scale bad', but neglects to mention the rates from covid referred to in the study.
it's not mentioned because post infection myocarditis rates, whether higher or lower, are not relevant to the discussion re rates of myocarditis post vaccination because accination doesn't prevent infection at a later stage anyway so that infection risk will be a cumulative risk on top of vaccination risk. eldar said:
jameswills said:
I’ve asked this before, why are people so wedded to the idea that pharmaceutical intervention is paramount to human health? Have you not considered at all why they make so much money from it?
Anaesthetics. How dare those beastly companies make money out of reliving pain?https://richardswsmith.wordpress.com/2019/03/22/a-...
Surely, you must see this...right?
I appreciate a lot of what we know now is hindsight...but for me personally I reinforces my stance of holding back while fools rush in!
BigMon said:
jshell said:
Questioning is one thing. Active mistrust to the point where you don't believe what medical practitioners have to say is another thing entirely. Just questioning the mRNA shots a couple of years ago would have one fired, blanked, banned, villified, shunned, deplatformed, bankrupted and labelled 'conspiracy theorist'. Developed countries talked about rounding people up or even forcing them to have the shots. New Zealand talked about a 'two-tiered society'.
Even now a CNN 'anchor' who attacked Ivermectin back then has stated that he now uses it against infections - the backtrack continues: https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/watch-forme...
No, we must not accept that the behaviours around this were anywhere near acceptable.
I think this was one of favourites from the height of the madness in Australia:
PurplePenguin said:
BigMon said:
jshell said:
Questioning is one thing. Active mistrust to the point where you don't believe what medical practitioners have to say is another thing entirely. It’s not a case of not believing medical practitioners, it’s a case of verifying (to the best of one’s ability) that what they have to say is beneficial to one’s health and not detrimental - informed consent. The emphasis being on the word “informed”
My Dad had arrhythmia and there's a good chance I'll get it too. Should I believe some random on the Internet over a heart specialist?
YMMV but I wouldn't. I'd obviously look into it, and talk over anything I found with them but, ultimately, I'd defer to their time served knowledge, qualifications and expertise over a Zero Hedge certified medical expert.
We've not had any Tin Foil for ages... so how about this? 
lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60k8SNa0tDA
Clearly it is wrong.
I mean, '3 years later' would be 2027 not 2024
lolhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60k8SNa0tDA
Clearly it is wrong.
I mean, '3 years later' would be 2027 not 2024
jshell said:
Good reminder, shell. Also mandatory vaccinations in Austria : https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60155635 (later stopped) and Germany was close to doing the same too - both countries relatively close to home .All "for the greater good" though, so that's cool then.
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