Selling a house - advertising for more offers

Selling a house - advertising for more offers

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oldbanger

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4,316 posts

240 months

Thursday 2nd April 2009
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I'm in the process of selling a house for a disceased relative. I'm not the beneficiary and there's a lot of upset that I'm selling it at all, especially in the current financial climate. However, no one seems to want to pay off the mortgage, credit cards, undertakers bill etc, so it has to come from somewhere.

So, it's gone on the market at £20k below what other (well maintained) properties in the area are on sale for (but not selling). I've now been made an offer that's £15k below asking price. I'd be inclined to accept, because the owner basically smashed the place up and it's not in a good way, despite 3 months effort on my part just to clear it and clean it (on my own, with small child in tow). It'd take a couple of thousand to get the place into a basic tidy condition (lining paper in most rooms, paint the whole interior, professional carpet cleaning, retiling bathroom, fitting a few radiators, new kitchen floor lino/tiles, at least 3 mew light fittings) but the place ideally also needs a new front door, some rewiring, a new kitchen. The interest on the mortgage (not frozen) is nearly £500 a month (high interest Ocean finance type mortgage, it's not a massive mortgage).

Problem is, I just know I'm going to get it in the neck if I accept this offer, even though it's been raised twice. It has been suggested to me that I could advertise in the local paper that this offer has been made and invite any more, to cover myself. Apparently it's quite common.

So how would I go about doing this? Is it advisable? Any advice appreciated.

Shake&Bake

370 posts

187 months

Thursday 2nd April 2009
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Firstly my condolences on your loss.

I don't understand why you are taking this nightmare on when you are not a beneficiary, no matter how closed you were to the deceased. Who is paying you for your time to clean prepare the house? Is it going to come out of the sale of the property?

Why not organise a meeting with the beneficiary's solicitor put the offer forward and see what they say.

However I fail to see how you are going to get it in the neck, if they cannot be bothered to sell the house themselves.

Something seems very odd here!

scotal

8,751 posts

281 months

Thursday 2nd April 2009
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You could look in the back of the papers, they have repo property ads in there which do exactly what you are thinking of doing. Alternitively the papers ads people might know the corrct wording.

Is the place in Kent?


ETA I think I saw an offers invited ad on Rightmove once, but it was only once.




Edited by scotal on Thursday 2nd April 14:40

oldbanger

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4,316 posts

240 months

Thursday 2nd April 2009
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I was named the executor in the will, the beneficiary/ies is/are under 18.

oldbanger

Original Poster:

4,316 posts

240 months

Thursday 2nd April 2009
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scotal said:
You could look in the back of the papers, they have repo property ads in there which do exactly what you are thinking of doing. Alternitively the papers ads people might know the corrct wording.

Is the place in Kent?
Yes, I was looking for HIP recommendations a few weeks back.

Thanks, I'll see if someone can send me a local paper ( I live 2.5 hours drive away).

scotal

8,751 posts

281 months

Thursday 2nd April 2009
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oldbanger said:
scotal said:
You could look in the back of the papers, they have repo property ads in there which do exactly what you are thinking of doing. Alternitively the papers ads people might know the corrct wording.

Is the place in Kent?
Yes, I was looking for HIP recommendations a few weeks back.

Thanks, I'll see if someone can send me a local paper ( I live 2.5 hours drive away).
Give it 5, YHM

Simpo Two

85,845 posts

267 months

Thursday 2nd April 2009
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The usual practice is to meet about halfway on price - it all depends how desperate each party is to buy/sell. In your case, every two months means £1,000 the beneficiaries won't get.

Don't forget that as Executor you (should be) entitled to charge the Estate a reasonable fee for your time, and certainly out-of-pocket expenses.

ETA - just seem they've raised their offer twice - which implies they want it. Given the overheads, I'd be inclined to take the offer and get rid of the millstone.

Edited by Simpo Two on Thursday 2nd April 14:59

johnfm

13,668 posts

252 months

Thursday 2nd April 2009
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Simpo Two said:
The usual practice is to meet about halfway on price - it all depends how desperate each party is to buy/sell. In your case, every two months means £1,000 the beneficiaries won't get.

Don't forget that as Executor you (should be) entitled to charge the Estate a reasonable fee for your time, and certainly out-of-pocket expenses.

ETA - just seem they've raised their offer twice - which implies they want it. Given the overheads, I'd be inclined to take the offer and get rid of the millstone.

Edited by Simpo Two on Thursday 2nd April 14:59
You drew a short straw - Executor's job is not good.

You can charge reasonably for your time - AND you may have some fiduciary duties, IIRC, to manage the finances.

Get rid, stick teh residue in a bank.

Deva Link

26,934 posts

247 months

Thursday 2nd April 2009
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You should have just auctioned it, without spending time and effort on it (unless you feel some duty towards the beneficiaries).

Kermit power

28,807 posts

215 months

Thursday 2nd April 2009
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You don't say when the deceased died, or how much the property is worth.

I realise that you may not want to say that on a public forum for obvious reasons, but be aware that if the deceased's estate is worth enough to get into the areas of inheritance tax, then the beneficiaries get 6 (iirc) months grace, after which they will have to pay inheritance tax based on what the tax man decides the house is worth.

My parents have just gone through this with my grandad's house, and whilst it would always have been nice to get that little bit more, the hassle of trying to deal with things from 150 miles away just outweighed that consideration.

I'd also point out to the sulking family members that if you don't take this offer, there's a good chance that the potential buyer will give up and go elsewhere, and who knows how long it will be before the next offer comes along? If they can afford to pay the mortgage in the meantime, fine. If not, how much are they going to lose when the place is repossessed?

monthefish

20,449 posts

233 months

Thursday 2nd April 2009
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Get yourself a lawyer. Seriously.

On the face of it, it sounds like you're doing a good deed in dealing with it, but if you don't cover your backside, it might come back to bite you.

oldbanger

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4,316 posts

240 months

Thursday 2nd April 2009
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The estate is under the tax threshold and I have a solicitor who is doing the probate application side of things, which has been pretty complex (due to various name changes, death not registered yet due to coroner being involed, will having to be traced as solicitors had ceased trading, yada yada).

And yes, I probably should have just auctioned it.

Mave

8,209 posts

217 months

Thursday 2nd April 2009
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Experience from the other side; finally exchanged on a house which was sold by the executor. He and his family refused a number of fairly generous offers last year - approx 90% of the asking price where the asking price was just over a stamp duty threshold. Move on six months - no offers over the winter, and he's just sold at 80% of the asking price, I suspect just to get shot of it, especially as it's been deteriorating over the winter.

The relatives need to be realistic about what the property is worth, or you are going to be waiting a long time to sell it - might be worth checking what prices properties are actually selling it in the area, not what they are advertised at.

Jasandjules

70,012 posts

231 months

Thursday 2nd April 2009
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Stick an advert in the local paper, noting that an offer has been made on Property X and that any interested party has 7 days to contact you (if you look on Rightmove there are a few houses which have this sort of thing on there, I assume they are Repos).

As noted above, you should be able to claim some money from the estate for your time in executing the will - check with the Probate solicitor as to what reasonable charges are. No reason for you to lose out IMHO.

Simpo Two

85,845 posts

267 months

Thursday 2nd April 2009
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oldbanger said:
And yes, I probably should have just auctioned it.
Which, as you have nothing to gain from its sale, is hard to disagree with (although as you say the beneficiaries could indeed grumble at you - how much do you want to stay on good terms?)

Piglet

6,250 posts

257 months

Thursday 2nd April 2009
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I don't think you can claim expenses unless you are a "professional" executor BUT you do have lots of duties and responsibilities under various Acts.

I'd move VERY carefully in your position and would seriously consider giving the whole caboodle to the lawyers to deal with, the expenses will come out of the estate BUT you won't get sued by anyone.

Fair play to you for taking the job on though (did anyone tell you that you can renounce being an executor?)