Did dentists in the past butcher teeth for financial reward?
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Evoluzione said:
Someone who is circa 20 or who has kids needs to respond.
I'm 52 and have loads of fillings, all originally from when I was a kid and everything since has been replacement of those fillings or repair of teeth that have decayed around those fillings. My dentist lived nearby and bought a new Jag every couple of yearsMy kids are 19 and 15 and my 15 year old has one filling due to a poorly formed tooth that was a debris trap and decay risk. The 19 y/o has none.
Conversely my wife (50) has none.
I've had a private dentist for 20 years after a poor experience with the only NHS one I could get at the time (this doesn't seem to be an issue now, wife and kids had no problems registering with the local dentist when we moved here 16 years ago), He has replaced most metal fillings with white ones as they fail but otherwise treatment is very much 'wait-and-see' rather than the drill and fill of 30/40 /50 years ago. His words not mine. My dentist drives an old Peugeot
im 48 and had a falling out with the dentist at a young age that put me off so probably the best of 40 years without seeing a dentist
ive ate nothing but cr@p and fizzy pop , i recently plucked up courage to have my teeth cleaned , i have no fillings or big issues
so yes i think i would have a mouth full of fillings if i used the 1980s dentist....terrible really
ive ate nothing but cr@p and fizzy pop , i recently plucked up courage to have my teeth cleaned , i have no fillings or big issues
so yes i think i would have a mouth full of fillings if i used the 1980s dentist....terrible really
Born in 1953, I was a regular at the dentist and from the age of about maybe 7(?) I was getting the odd filling, someimes as many a three into my teens. Dentist used to tell my Mum I had acidic saliva and that was the cause.
Years later A "more modern" Dentist told me that they were paid per filling and therefore made the most of the "cash cow" as no one could dispute their expertise.
Does it still go on? About three year ago I was suffering toothache from the upper molars. Went to the local Dentist who flicked something out from between my teeth then told me it was a problem with the lower molars and proceeded to attempt a root canal filling and crown. Four visits later, a lot of pain, she claimed there were three roots on the xray to fill, couldn't find the last one, virtually destroyed the tooth then slapped a filling on the top as a crown was no longer a possibility. That tooth has ached ever since and I'm not going back there again.
Strangely, that particular tooth had a crown on it previously, never been root canal filled and was perfectly sound and not giving any trouble.
Years later A "more modern" Dentist told me that they were paid per filling and therefore made the most of the "cash cow" as no one could dispute their expertise.
Does it still go on? About three year ago I was suffering toothache from the upper molars. Went to the local Dentist who flicked something out from between my teeth then told me it was a problem with the lower molars and proceeded to attempt a root canal filling and crown. Four visits later, a lot of pain, she claimed there were three roots on the xray to fill, couldn't find the last one, virtually destroyed the tooth then slapped a filling on the top as a crown was no longer a possibility. That tooth has ached ever since and I'm not going back there again.
Strangely, that particular tooth had a crown on it previously, never been root canal filled and was perfectly sound and not giving any trouble.
I’m just the wrong side of 40 and I have the same fillings, all from before I was 18 and had NHS dentistry.
To be honest it really put me off ever going to the dentist again and now I only go if I _have_ to, as the last visit he told me he was going to remove my wisdom teeth as they were in ‘terrible shape’ 20 plus years later I still have them and although worn a bit they are fine.
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To be honest it really put me off ever going to the dentist again and now I only go if I _have_ to, as the last visit he told me he was going to remove my wisdom teeth as they were in ‘terrible shape’ 20 plus years later I still have them and although worn a bit they are fine.
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I think there is truth in both statements. In every profession there is a percentage of cowboys who are just out to make money. When I qualified as a dentist in the eighties it was obvious in some patients, a pattern of fillings for profit. We used to call them Australian trenches. Basically a groove was drilled along all the back teeth and filled with no seperation between each tooth. This characteristically failed very rapidly. It was supposedly a trademark of imported dentists who came to this country to milk the NHS system.
Conversley it is usual to get decayed teeth in your teens when your sugar consumption is higher. As you get older sugar consumption drops and new fillings are not needed. However you then spend the rest of your life having these replaced as they fail, progressing to larger and larger fillings then crowns, root fillings and finally extraction when unconservable.
Personally I was too lazy to do unnecessary fillings, especially in children. There was too much necessary work to be done without inventing more! I used to get quite a few patients who claimed to have been butchered for profit, but I was rarely convinced on examination because of the type and position and extension of the fillings was consistent with a normal decay process.
Conversley it is usual to get decayed teeth in your teens when your sugar consumption is higher. As you get older sugar consumption drops and new fillings are not needed. However you then spend the rest of your life having these replaced as they fail, progressing to larger and larger fillings then crowns, root fillings and finally extraction when unconservable.
Personally I was too lazy to do unnecessary fillings, especially in children. There was too much necessary work to be done without inventing more! I used to get quite a few patients who claimed to have been butchered for profit, but I was rarely convinced on examination because of the type and position and extension of the fillings was consistent with a normal decay process.
Yep same here.
I had a dentist who basically ruined my teath when I was a young teenager. He ended up getting struck off by the NHS and turned private only.
He also held the record in the local rugby club for how many 2p pieces he could fit in his foreskin!
Just checked. He was finally struck off from practicing as a dentist in 2019.
I had a dentist who basically ruined my teath when I was a young teenager. He ended up getting struck off by the NHS and turned private only.
He also held the record in the local rugby club for how many 2p pieces he could fit in his foreskin!
Just checked. He was finally struck off from practicing as a dentist in 2019.
Edited by BrickCounter on Saturday 15th January 20:28
Loads of filling compared to my sister ho had hardly any, she got some stuff that hardened her teeth i never got. However i had years and years of inhalers and the powder obviously getting inhaled onto my front teeth. i have about 40% of my two original top front teeth left. A major tooth abcess killed off one of them and it is now a replacent. The other is 20% tooth and 80% filling and structure.
I suppose i cant blame the inhalers yeah you should brush after every use but who ever did that?
I suppose i cant blame the inhalers yeah you should brush after every use but who ever did that?
xx99xx said:
Even these days, how would you know if a (private) dentist was proposing unnecessary work? You'd need a 2nd or 3rd opinion. I believe NHS dentists don't make any money on NHS treatments, so my dentist keeps telling me.
My dental practice has started using presumably much cheaper "dental therapists" for NHS fillings.One nervous young girl gave me a filling a few years ago, it gave some pain afterwards and I was told that I'd need a root canal, which I had.
Last year, I had a replacement of an allegedly worn - but symptom free- old filling which was again carried out by a "therapist", who did not fill me with much confidence at all. Afterwards I was in sleep-preventing agony for days.
The dentist (who is far more interested in pushing his cosmetic treatments, and my teeth are fortunately straight and good colour anyway, so so he isn't interested), with barely a look at the tooth, immediately informed me that I would need a private specialist root canal for £700(?) or thereabouts.
I complained, got a refund for the filling, and pushed for a second opinion. The second dentist just replaced the filling correctly and all has been fine with it since....
I cancelled the appointment for the other replacement filling that was allegedly needed and that too remains symptom free.
Beware.
Edited by MC Bodge on Monday 17th January 08:53
I've always thought this. My mum was very strict about our sugar intake and sweets yet every one of the three of us would have fillings every time we went for a check up.
We are all mid to late 50s now and apart from repairs to old fillings, some resulting in root canals, non of us have had new fillings and neither have any of our kids.
We are all mid to late 50s now and apart from repairs to old fillings, some resulting in root canals, non of us have had new fillings and neither have any of our kids.
xx99xx said:
I believe NHS dentists don't make any money on NHS treatments, so my dentist keeps telling me.
One of my kids went to a private school & the parents of one of her contemporaries were both NHS only dentists. They had 2 kids in there, new cars, big house, annual skiing holidays at half term etc etc. Didn't seem to be struggling at all.....
Wombat3 said:
One of my kids went to a private school & the parents of one of her contemporaries were both NHS only dentists. They had 2 kids in there, new cars, big house, annual skiing holidays at half term etc etc.
Didn't seem to be struggling at all.....
Maybe they were employed by the surgery and paid a salary? Maybe they had another income, family wealth etc?Didn't seem to be struggling at all.....
I don't know how it works but clearly to become a dentist requires a lot of training and education which I'd expect would be rewarded appropriately otherwise they wouldn't bother.
As an aside, I've found the best dentists I've had have been the young ones. Do older more experienced dentists get complacent or greedy?
CoolHands said:
Disgraceful isn’t it. We need it to turn into a PPI type media outcry. Imagine ruining teenagers teeth ffs, unbelievable.
I had the conversation with my current dentist who, as I mentioned in my OP, said "it's because you ate sugar as a child". I told him that I still eat sugar. ".....You'd never be able prove anything" came his reply.
Added to which my dentists from childhood are dead and I'd probably be suing the government.
Louis Balfour said:
CoolHands said:
Disgraceful isn’t it. We need it to turn into a PPI type media outcry. Imagine ruining teenagers teeth ffs, unbelievable.
I had the conversation with my current dentist who, as I mentioned in my OP, said "it's because you ate sugar as a child". I told him that I still eat sugar. ".....You'd never be able prove anything" came his reply.
Added to which my dentists from childhood are dead and I'd probably be suing the government.
PurplePangolin said:
Louis Balfour said:
CoolHands said:
Disgraceful isn’t it. We need it to turn into a PPI type media outcry. Imagine ruining teenagers teeth ffs, unbelievable.
I had the conversation with my current dentist who, as I mentioned in my OP, said "it's because you ate sugar as a child". I told him that I still eat sugar. ".....You'd never be able prove anything" came his reply.
Added to which my dentists from childhood are dead and I'd probably be suing the government.
Additionally, I cannot prove it.
I am at the dentist tomorrow, to fix another filling from the 70s.
I went to dentist yesterday and it makes me nervous - he wants to replace 2 existing amalgam fillings ive had for 20 years with white ones, and one new filling in the top. £400.
But how do I know the bottom ones need replacing? I think it might only be that on both of them, a corner of my original tooth has broken off. But I don’t care (it’s smooth to the touch) unless that means they need replacing (perhaps to stop a gap opening up?). He didn’t really say why, just that they need replacing.
I do have 2 other amalgam fillings he didn’t mention, so it’s not like he’s just saying replace them all.
But how do I know the bottom ones need replacing? I think it might only be that on both of them, a corner of my original tooth has broken off. But I don’t care (it’s smooth to the touch) unless that means they need replacing (perhaps to stop a gap opening up?). He didn’t really say why, just that they need replacing.
I do have 2 other amalgam fillings he didn’t mention, so it’s not like he’s just saying replace them all.
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