Becoming a HGV driver?

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normalbloke

7,486 posts

220 months

Wednesday 22nd November 2023
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Vipers said:
MB140 said:
Well went or my HGV medical yesterday via D4Drivers £50, what a con. Walked in,

Can you read that number plate. Yes

Take any medication. No

Passed.

No blood pressure, no listening to my heart or lungs nothing.

The guy who went in before me must have been 300lb and could barely ge out the waiting room seat.

Same again in there for 5 mins max.

Now just got to contact a few local training provider to see who I’m going to use.
TBH I am somewhat shocked, quick google found this re HGV medical :-

The medical test is in two parts. The first of these is an interview between the doctor and the driver who is the subject of the test. In this interview, the doctor asks the subject of the test about any pre-existing medical conditions (including mental health issues) they have which might have some bearing on their ability to drive.

Drivers are obliged to be open and honest about their health under interview. Drivers with conditions which they are aware of and fail to declare when interviewed, and which later come to light following an accident or other violation, could face serious sanctions.

The second part of the test involves the actual medical examination. The doctor conducting it will examine a range of aspects relating to the subject’s physical health including blood pressure, heart, vision and testing for diabetes.

Not that you will, but he should be reported to someone, with that attitude, god who knows is driving around our roads with pre-existing medical conditions, remember the fatality with a bin lorry in Glasgow when the driver collapsed, cant remember the exact details, but he had kept quiet about something to do with his medical well being.

On the plus side good to hear you passed.
Don’t be shocked. Many of the cheapo medical are the same. Had exactly that when I first decided to do my HGV licences. Used an aftermarket service as the wait for my doctors was 4 weeks plus, and 3 times the price. So that’s what I did. Barely more than an eye test. When my licence was due to be renewed after 5 years, I did opt to use my own doctor. If there was something wrong, I’d want to know.

Triple Six

1,076 posts

123 months

Wednesday 22nd November 2023
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Vipers said:
Not that you will, but he should be reported to someone, with that attitude, god who knows is driving around our roads with pre-existing medical conditions, remember the fatality with a bin lorry in Glasgow when the driver collapsed, cant remember the exact details, but he had kept quiet about something to do with his medical well being.
I agree.

I arrange hundreds of medicals per month via D4Drivers and I know that they would be disappointed that one of their doctors is cutting those corners.

Ours are fairly quick (10 mins if you are fit/healthy, double that if you are old and take stacks of medication) but they always do a proper eyesight test, BP etc.

Vipers

32,935 posts

229 months

Thursday 23rd November 2023
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Triple Six said:
Vipers said:
Not that you will, but he should be reported to someone, with that attitude, god who knows is driving around our roads with pre-existing medical conditions, remember the fatality with a bin lorry in Glasgow when the driver collapsed, cant remember the exact details, but he had kept quiet about something to do with his medical well being.
I agree.

I arrange hundreds of medicals per month via D4Drivers and I know that they would be disappointed that one of their doctors is cutting those corners.

Ours are fairly quick (10 mins if you are fit/healthy, double that if you are old and take stacks of medication) but they always do a proper eyesight test, BP etc.
Good to hear, I wonder who would be happy to know the pilot on their plane as they head up into the blue yonder and a skimpy medical. Not to dwell on it but in my opinion any dodgy doctor should be reported, not that many will.

Anyway lads carry on, interesting thread

the-norseman

12,543 posts

172 months

Thursday 23rd November 2023
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Day 3 of practical training today, today went a lot better than the previous 2 days, feeling a lot more confident, been getting there at 0700, test is at 0933 apparently so I need to be there at 0630 apparently! looking forward to not setting an alarm on Saturday.

The school has 3x Iveco rigids, two of which have engine warning lights on so when I got there this morning, the truck I had been using had been taken (as at the time it was error free), turned up at the test centre in it and the warning light came on.

We took that truck down to the local HGV place the other day and they couldn't get it to communicate with the ECU. We took another truck back there today so I watched him, he was selecting DAF in the menu for an Iveco, So I said to the guy have you tried doing the auto mode, which he replied that wont work, but he pressed it anyway and guess what, it found the truck and connected. Cleared the codes but 25 mins later warning lights back on again. All codes to do with Catalyst sensor and DPF sensor.

Really hoping one of them is error free for me tomorrow.

Edited by the-norseman on Thursday 23 November 15:12

r3g

3,340 posts

25 months

Thursday 23rd November 2023
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the-norseman said:
Day 3 of practical training today, today went a lot better than the previous 2 days, feeling a lot more confident, been getting there at 0700, test is at 0933 apparently so I need to be there at 0630 apparently! looking forward to not setting an alarm on Saturday.

The school has 3x Iveco rigids, two of which have engine warning lights on so when I got there this morning, the truck I had been using had been taken (as at the time it was error free), turned up at the test centre in it and the warning light came on.

We took that truck down to the local HGV place the other day and they couldn't get it to communicate with the ECU. We took another truck back there today so I watched him, he was selecting DAF in the menu for an Iveco, So I said to the guy have you tried doing the auto mode, which he replied that wont work, but he pressed it anyway and guess what, it found the truck and connected. Cleared the codes but 25 mins later warning lights back on again. All codes to do with Catalyst sensor and DPF sensor.

Really hoping one of them is error free for me tomorrow.

Edited by the-norseman on Thursday 23 November 15:12
Yep, same thing happens to trucks as it does with cars when you're only pootling around locally.

944 Man

1,744 posts

133 months

Thursday 23rd November 2023
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DAFs will throw endless AdBlue and DPF related faults even when they drive 200 miles in one journey, ten times a week. All of our ‘19s now have white encrusted exhaust tips.

Wagons like this are alright on a two year lease with maintenance - after that you want to see the back of them.

the-norseman

12,543 posts

172 months

Friday 24th November 2023
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Test started at 0945 and finished at 1048, 2 minors and a pass certificate. The examiner was very kind with the route he took me, from Leighton Buzzard to some near by villages and then on the M1 (hadn't been on the motorway while training) to Luton, at this point I presumed he was going to take me to a tricky right hand turn or a tricky road down the side of the hospital but nope turned off short of both of them, did some more local roads and then back to the test centre.

Minor 1 was for doing 24 in a 20 zone, I honestly didn't see the start of the 20 zone, first thing I knew there was a little 20 sign so I dropped down to about 17-18. At this point I presumed that was a fail but carried on driving as if it wasn't anyway. I'm going to head out there in a minute to see where the 20 zone starts.

Minor 2, on the M1, the next junction along, a car and car transporter trailer got on in front and then immediately dropped down to 50, I wasnt sure if we were getting off at the next junction or not so I hung back behind him, but he slowed more and I closed the 2 second gap, eventually decided to stick a right signal on and 56mph it past him.

I actually thought id picked up some more minors/major, I came up to a 3/4 lane roundabout near the M1 there was a foreign truck coming round it but looked like he was gonna turn off before me so I went for it, but the truck I was in decided it wasnt sure what gear to go into and just basically sat there, the foreign truck at this point was coming round towards me, luckily he decided he didn't want the lane I was in and went buzzing past.

Got my CPC theory on 8th and then CPC practical when ever they book it.

Edited by the-norseman on Friday 24th November 13:48

Triple Six

1,076 posts

123 months

Friday 24th November 2023
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Well done, it is a great feeling.

Smint

1,748 posts

36 months

Friday 24th November 2023
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Congratulations Norseman.

Took mine at Leighton Buzzard too, trained with Export and General, Dunstable, few years ago mind.

Its Just Adz

14,220 posts

210 months

Friday 24th November 2023
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944 Man said:
DAFs will throw endless AdBlue and DPF related faults even when they drive 200 miles in one journey, ten times a week. All of our ‘19s now have white encrusted exhaust tips.

Wagons like this are alright on a two year lease with maintenance - after that you want to see the back of them.
Mine throws warnings up in the rain. Like distance sensor dirty, AEBS fault, lane keeping fault, reduced brake performance.....

Stussy

1,891 posts

65 months

Friday 24th November 2023
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Our old XF used to have the collision detection go off at certain bridges on the M5, it’s a bit annoying when it slams your brakes on!
We’ve got a new XG 530 now, the warning lights are the least of the problems, it’s the gearbox!
I’ve never driven anything so lethargic in my life.
It takes forever to change, changes up half way up a hill, and just kills itself for some odd reason.
You can’t change down manually unless eco mode is off, so you turn that off. Need to change down now? Well you can’t, because eco mode has turned itself on again! If you know you have some big hills and want to keep it in manual to stop it from changing up, forget that, it’s gone back into auto by itself!
So you have to constantly keep a check on what mode it’s in, at least with the XF you could turn off eco roll and it would stay off.
It’s an utter gutless heap of ste, thank god I rarely have to drive it and have a Scania R500 every day

Its Just Adz

14,220 posts

210 months

Friday 24th November 2023
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Yea my CF does all that with Eco, it's a terrible gearbox.
And the auto braking when there is a shadow in the road, aaagggghhh st myself when it does that loud warning

Smint

1,748 posts

36 months

Friday 24th November 2023
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Stussy, if your boss is amenable that stupid default to eco can be programmed out at the dealer, was hoping the new model might have been improved in that regard, should have known.

I'd give my eye teeth for a manual box again, Eaton Twin Split first choice but Daf's 16 speed manual was a lovely box to use too.

mercedeslimos

1,661 posts

170 months

Friday 24th November 2023
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Its Just Adz said:
Yea my CF does all that with Eco, it's a terrible gearbox.
And the auto braking when there is a shadow in the road, aaagggghhh st myself when it does that loud warning
I drive almost exclusively Van Hool products at work, which use DAF running gear. The radar cruise is ok but the lane departure warning and forward collision warning are terrible! I turn off the lane departure first thing, I tend to leave on the crash avoidance as it's always better to have a backup plan, you just have to be proactive with braking and not ever get too close to anything.

Triple Six

1,076 posts

123 months

Friday 24th November 2023
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Stussy said:
Our old XF used to have the collision detection go off at certain bridges on the M5, it’s a bit annoying when it slams your brakes on!
We’ve got a new XG 530 now, the warning lights are the least of the problems, it’s the gearbox!
I’ve never driven anything so lethargic in my life.
It takes forever to change, changes up half way up a hill, and just kills itself for some odd reason.
You can’t change down manually unless eco mode is off, so you turn that off. Need to change down now? Well you can’t, because eco mode has turned itself on again! If you know you have some big hills and want to keep it in manual to stop it from changing up, forget that, it’s gone back into auto by itself!
So you have to constantly keep a check on what mode it’s in, at least with the XF you could turn off eco roll and it would stay off.
It’s an utter gutless heap of ste, thank god I rarely have to drive it and have a Scania R500 every day
That's interesting.

I put two 2019 XF 530's into our fleet earlier this year (overkill for driver training I know, but image is a big thing for us) and they are great - the difference between the other 460's we have is night and day.

I haven't driven an XG/XG+ but they are natural progression for us when they come down on the used market, I thought they would be a better drive. The interior is certainly a massive step forward.

Lucas CAV

3,025 posts

220 months

Friday 24th November 2023
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Did my test in a 20 y old 6x4 Dennis. A primitive beast!

r3g

3,340 posts

25 months

Saturday 25th November 2023
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mercedeslimos said:
you just have to be proactive with braking and not ever get too close to anything.
Sorry but that's total nonsense and far detached from what happens in the reality. As Stussy said, the DAF AEBS has a mind of its own and sees stuff that isn't there. In previous posts I have documented how 2 completely different but identical model DAF XFs would slam on the AEBS on a clear day on the M61 southbound, going under the last overpass bridge before the hill down to Bolton MSA. Every. single. time wihout faul, regardless of the weather. Same on the A1 southbund going under one of the overpasses not far north of Darlington. They are also far too keen passes vehicles that have moved left onto a short sliproad exist off a dual carriageway. They are well clear of you and it's fine for you keep the CC on or resume it, but no, full AEBS because it thinks you're about to crash into the back of them as they are braking for the turn, yet they are well off to your left

DAF dealer of course predictably comes back with "we were unable to replicate the fault" every time.


r3g

3,340 posts

25 months

Saturday 25th November 2023
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Stussy said:
Our old XF used to have the collision detection go off at certain bridges on the M5, it’s a bit annoying when it slams your brakes on!
We’ve got a new XG 530 now, the warning lights are the least of the problems, it’s the gearbox!
I’ve never driven anything so lethargic in my life.
It takes forever to change, changes up half way up a hill, and just kills itself for some odd reason.
You can’t change down manually unless eco mode is off, so you turn that off. Need to change down now? Well you can’t, because eco mode has turned itself on again! If you know you have some big hills and want to keep it in manual to stop it from changing up, forget that, it’s gone back into auto by itself!
So you have to constantly keep a check on what mode it’s in, at least with the XF you could turn off eco roll and it would stay off.
It’s an utter gutless heap of ste, thank god I rarely have to drive it and have a Scania R500 every day
Despite being a decent steer (equipped with a stick - the ZF auto box is universally hated by every driver for changing gears slower than a glacier) they have been utterly st trucks since around the mid noughties when the 105 arrived and the new shape models with the goofy headlights. They were fairly reliable, stick gearbox and went well. I loved my 95 when I tramped for UPS. But for the last decade+some they are unreliable pieces of junk with a new fault every week which will be another cool £5000 for a £2.50 sensor and no you can't have one because they've been on back order from China for the past year and no you can't drive your truck without it.

And old gen late Scania R-series would be my pick if I was a one-man band and didn't need to worry about LEZs. Yes the parts costs are even more eye-watering than DAF but it's fairly rare for them to go faulty.

Stussy

1,891 posts

65 months

Saturday 25th November 2023
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I’ve been trying to think about what is actually good on the XG, all I can come up with is that it’s huge, so good for a tramper, but they’re too big for some of the places I squeeze into for deliveries in my next gen R500. The drivers seat is pretty good, the speakers are a huge improvement on the XF, the radio/info screen is pretty much the only thing I like as it’s a huge screen and has CarPlay built in, but so does the Scania.
The more I think about it though, the more negatives come to mind!
The bottom step is way too high, it catches out everyone the first time they get out, expecting another one. If you have the passengers seat base down the seatbelt alarm will go off forever, because the occupancy sensor is based on the position of the base, not whether someone is actually sat on it!
Oh, the bed is good, being able to raise either end similar to how a hospital bed works if you don’t want to lay totally flat

r3g

3,340 posts

25 months

Saturday 25th November 2023
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I don't care how good the radio and bed is. If it comes with that God-awful ZF auto box it's staying in the yard and I'll take the knackered yard shunter FL10.