Lewis Hamilton (Vol. 2)
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Muzzer79 said:
That's a baffling viewpoint.
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Fact is that Hamilton came third. The others, for varying reasons, were behind. It's not down to luck, it's down to consistency.
It isn't really, you are just not understanding it the way I'm intending it to come across but it is about Hamilton on here so can only expect as much........
Fact is that Hamilton came third. The others, for varying reasons, were behind. It's not down to luck, it's down to consistency.
As I said, he was consistent, Ply above has pointed out he did have one standout lap so happy to retract that he had no standout performance. What I'm trying to say is that it was not just his consistency that got him 3rd, the bigger factor on that was 2/3 main rivals having half seasons, due to reasons beyond their control. As above Hamilton's average finishing position was 5th, and may have been lower if Aston / Mclaren's machinery had been there the whole season.
If you think Hamilton's driving this year was remotely near any of his peak seasons I don't know what you were watching.
I don't really know how people can use Hamilton's 2023 driver's championship position as evidence that he's past it.
However that doesn't mean I'm surprised that people are.
I remember the end of 2022 when everyone said he was finished and Mercedes would be looking to manage him out because Russell outscored him.
However that doesn't mean I'm surprised that people are.
I remember the end of 2022 when everyone said he was finished and Mercedes would be looking to manage him out because Russell outscored him.
Edited by Hustle_ on Tuesday 9th January 16:45
Hustle_ said:
I don't really know how people can use Hamilton's 2023 driver's championship position as evidence that he's past it.
However that doesn't mean I'm surprised that people are.
I remember the end of 2022 when everyone said he was finished and Mercedes would be looking to manage him out because Russell outscored him.
I remember when he got Covid at the end of 2020 and, on the basis of one stand-in race, people were questioning why Mercedes wouldn't just save £30m and replace their 7-time champion with George Russell However that doesn't mean I'm surprised that people are.
I remember the end of 2022 when everyone said he was finished and Mercedes would be looking to manage him out because Russell outscored him.
Edited by Hustle_ on Tuesday 9th January 16:45
RB Will said:
Muzzer79 said:
That's a baffling viewpoint.
.......
Fact is that Hamilton came third. The others, for varying reasons, were behind. It's not down to luck, it's down to consistency.
It isn't really, you are just not understanding it the way I'm intending it to come across but it is about Hamilton on here so can only expect as much........
Fact is that Hamilton came third. The others, for varying reasons, were behind. It's not down to luck, it's down to consistency.
As I said, he was consistent, Ply above has pointed out he did have one standout lap so happy to retract that he had no standout performance. What I'm trying to say is that it was not just his consistency that got him 3rd, the bigger factor on that was 2/3 main rivals having half seasons, due to reasons beyond their control. As above Hamilton's average finishing position was 5th, and may have been lower if Aston / Mclaren's machinery had been there the whole season.
If you think Hamilton's driving this year was remotely near any of his peak seasons I don't know what you were watching.
a) They didn't.
b) Even if were improved, there's no way of knowing what would have happened.
c) It's a team sport - man and machine. I've repeatedly said that on these pages that trying to seperate driver from car in any season is impossible, therefore it has to be looked at as a collective. Nothing is therefore 'beyond their control'
If anything, you're intimating that Hamilton had (or should have had) the 5th best car - this doesn't make the actual achievement of 3rd in the championship lucky, it makes it impressive.
It seems like we applaud some drivers and teams that out-perform their machinery's capability, yet some other drivers are 'lucky'......
RB Will said:
Muzzer79 said:
That's a baffling viewpoint.
.......
Fact is that Hamilton came third. The others, for varying reasons, were behind. It's not down to luck, it's down to consistency.
It isn't really, you are just not understanding it the way I'm intending it to come across but it is about Hamilton on here so can only expect as much........
Fact is that Hamilton came third. The others, for varying reasons, were behind. It's not down to luck, it's down to consistency.
As I said, he was consistent, Ply above has pointed out he did have one standout lap so happy to retract that he had no standout performance. What I'm trying to say is that it was not just his consistency that got him 3rd, the bigger factor on that was 2/3 main rivals having half seasons, due to reasons beyond their control. As above Hamilton's average finishing position was 5th, and may have been lower if Aston / Mclaren's machinery had been there the whole season.
If you think Hamilton's driving this year was remotely near any of his peak seasons I don't know what you were watching.
HighwayStar said:
In a car that was inconsistent across a race weekend and from track to track… the car is a lash up, Frankenstein rather than the complete concept. All things considered I believe he did well.
Of course he did, he got the best out the package and the situations he found himself in during the season (that bit is also called luck good or bad) just like Max or Alonso would, those are the 3 drivers that all things being equal will get the best from a car during a season, whether that's a Haas or last seasons RB and anything in between. Wills2 said:
HighwayStar said:
In a car that was inconsistent across a race weekend and from track to track… the car is a lash up, Frankenstein rather than the complete concept. All things considered I believe he did well.
Of course he did, he got the best out the package and the situations he found himself in during the season (that bit is also called luck good or bad) just like Max or Alonso would, those are the 3 drivers that all things being equal will get the best from a car during a season, whether that's a Haas or last seasons RB and anything in between. ARFBY said:
It's official: I've lost my kids to the dark side.
Lewis is now a 'skin' in Fortnite. I just asked my kids if they want to have him, they both said "No thanks, when will Max be available?"
We can only really blame the parents, I suppose.Lewis is now a 'skin' in Fortnite. I just asked my kids if they want to have him, they both said "No thanks, when will Max be available?"
I know you’re doing your best, but you’ve obviously let some unhealthy influences into their lives.
heebeegeetee said:
Personally I think the younger Lewis would have got second in the championship, but third is still a great result.
Should he have been able to beat either Ferrari driver in the standings, what do we think?
Personal view, if Hamilton was driving a Ferrari last year he would have been 2nd, which probably explains his move. Last season would also have been a lot more interesting if Red Bull weren’t quite so dominant.Should he have been able to beat either Ferrari driver in the standings, what do we think?
HighwayStar said:
Wills2 said:
HighwayStar said:
In a car that was inconsistent across a race weekend and from track to track… the car is a lash up, Frankenstein rather than the complete concept. All things considered I believe he did well.
Of course he did, he got the best out the package and the situations he found himself in during the season (that bit is also called luck good or bad) just like Max or Alonso would, those are the 3 drivers that all things being equal will get the best from a car during a season, whether that's a Haas or last seasons RB and anything in between. Wills2 said:
HighwayStar said:
Wills2 said:
HighwayStar said:
In a car that was inconsistent across a race weekend and from track to track… the car is a lash up, Frankenstein rather than the complete concept. All things considered I believe he did well.
Of course he did, he got the best out the package and the situations he found himself in during the season (that bit is also called luck good or bad) just like Max or Alonso would, those are the 3 drivers that all things being equal will get the best from a car during a season, whether that's a Haas or last seasons RB and anything in between. 
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