Goodyear Eagle F1 GS D3's XL
Discussion
UPDATE:
I've had a reply from mytyres and this is what they say:
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Thank you for you e-mail! We would like to confirm that the tyres are produced in USA. We have been selling them all over the Europe and we have not had any problems with them, because they do conform with the European legislation.
Hope to hear from you.
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Redlake do you think these should be avoided?
I've had a reply from mytyres and this is what they say:
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Thank you for you e-mail! We would like to confirm that the tyres are produced in USA. We have been selling them all over the Europe and we have not had any problems with them, because they do conform with the European legislation.
Hope to hear from you.
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Redlake do you think these should be avoided?
Edited by bus_ter on Thursday 10th May 13:30
Bus_ter
Having checked the two sizes you refer to, Goodyear only supply UK dealers with Eagle F1 GSD3s that are made in Germany, and will guarantee that such German made (and China made tyres in other sizes) are the right tyre for this market and its conditions.
If a dealer has Eagle F1 GSD3s that are supplied from the USA they are unofficial imports. If the dealer states that they are E-marked then they are legal for UK use, but if they are unofficial imports we have no way of guaranteeing that these tyres are the optimum specification for the UK market, roads and climate.
As before, I would recommend sourcing from an approved dealer such as Kwik Fit, Hi-Q or dealers that are part of an approved body such as the NTDA.
Having checked the two sizes you refer to, Goodyear only supply UK dealers with Eagle F1 GSD3s that are made in Germany, and will guarantee that such German made (and China made tyres in other sizes) are the right tyre for this market and its conditions.
If a dealer has Eagle F1 GSD3s that are supplied from the USA they are unofficial imports. If the dealer states that they are E-marked then they are legal for UK use, but if they are unofficial imports we have no way of guaranteeing that these tyres are the optimum specification for the UK market, roads and climate.
As before, I would recommend sourcing from an approved dealer such as Kwik Fit, Hi-Q or dealers that are part of an approved body such as the NTDA.
redlake27 said:
Therefore, in addition to our own HiQ network, I would suggest that you may also want to consider shopping with dealers who are registered with the National Tyre Distributors Association, who put certain quality and trading standards in place with independent dealers.
www.ntda.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=15&Itemid=78
There are many other dealers who are not part of our HiQ network or the NTDA who trade to the highest standards, and my personal advice would be to check the E marking of any brand of tyre, not just Goodyear, before you buy from non-approved dealers.
I hope this helps.
James Bailey
Goodyear UK
www.ntda.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=15&Itemid=78
There are many other dealers who are not part of our HiQ network or the NTDA who trade to the highest standards, and my personal advice would be to check the E marking of any brand of tyre, not just Goodyear, before you buy from non-approved dealers.
I hope this helps.
James Bailey
Goodyear UK
I have to add that I bought my illegal goodyear eagle F1s from a dealer that is listed on that website. I won't be trusting anyone anymore tbh and will always check as much as I can.
Edited by tomg on Friday 11th May 01:04
Thanks for all the advice Redlake.
I think I'll avoid mytyres on this occasion. They may be E marked, but I wouldn't be happy driving around on inferior versions that might not be suitable for this climate.
I'll shop around and find some German produced versions. I don't mind paying extra for the official UK tyres.
Cheers.
I think I'll avoid mytyres on this occasion. They may be E marked, but I wouldn't be happy driving around on inferior versions that might not be suitable for this climate.
I'll shop around and find some German produced versions. I don't mind paying extra for the official UK tyres.
Cheers.
redlake27 said:
Tomg,
At least you have protection from the NTDA who can take action in regard of this, in addition to any action you choose to take through trading standards.
If you wish to let us know the name of the dealer, then we will take action as well.
At least you have protection from the NTDA who can take action in regard of this, in addition to any action you choose to take through trading standards.
If you wish to let us know the name of the dealer, then we will take action as well.
I've already told a guy at Goodyear technical where I got them from but how would NTDA help me?
Would they be able to help with the fact that I came off the road in a car that had these tyres on. In the cold. Due to lack of grip. And the car was trashed. ?
redlake27,
I currently have a set of Eagle F1 GSD3 on my Lotus Esprit. So far I like them alot. Much better than the Pirelli PZero Rossos which had a moulding defect on the front and started to come apart.
My question is; Now that the GSD3 has been replaced, and not being sure if the new Assymetric tire will be produced in the same sizes as the GSD3, is there a way for a group of enthusiasts to request a certain pair of sizes? Would Goodyear listen to such a request?
With the Lotus Esprit, roughly 10,000 were made over 27years. Many of us are really having trouble finding matching tires (front and rear) that will work with cars.
I use the Lotus V8 Esprit sizes (235/40-17 & 285/35-18) and it's fairly difficult to find a tire that comes in both sizes as specified by Lotus.
I know the GSD3 is the tire of choice these days, since it is one of the few that comes in both those sizes.
Could an online club band together and petition Goodyear to continue a certain pair of sizes (with new product) or a certain current sized tire (since the molds already exist)?
Thanks.
I currently have a set of Eagle F1 GSD3 on my Lotus Esprit. So far I like them alot. Much better than the Pirelli PZero Rossos which had a moulding defect on the front and started to come apart.
My question is; Now that the GSD3 has been replaced, and not being sure if the new Assymetric tire will be produced in the same sizes as the GSD3, is there a way for a group of enthusiasts to request a certain pair of sizes? Would Goodyear listen to such a request?
With the Lotus Esprit, roughly 10,000 were made over 27years. Many of us are really having trouble finding matching tires (front and rear) that will work with cars.
I use the Lotus V8 Esprit sizes (235/40-17 & 285/35-18) and it's fairly difficult to find a tire that comes in both sizes as specified by Lotus.
I know the GSD3 is the tire of choice these days, since it is one of the few that comes in both those sizes.
Could an online club band together and petition Goodyear to continue a certain pair of sizes (with new product) or a certain current sized tire (since the molds already exist)?
Thanks.
We will make the new Asymmetric in 235/40R17 front, but the closest rear will be 275/35R18
The company looks at market demand when choosing what tyre sizes to make, as well as maintaining bespoke OE sizes for a significant length of time.
To tool up for a new tyre size, and homologate and test it in all conditions is an outlay of around £1M per size. If the market is there, we would look into it.
The F1 GSD-3 will remain available in the combination you require whilst demand is there.
The company looks at market demand when choosing what tyre sizes to make, as well as maintaining bespoke OE sizes for a significant length of time.
To tool up for a new tyre size, and homologate and test it in all conditions is an outlay of around £1M per size. If the market is there, we would look into it.
The F1 GSD-3 will remain available in the combination you require whilst demand is there.
Hi ALL!!!! Good old google Searches!!!
Right, i have also got 4 new GSD3 F1s - China made!! Now, these tyres i have used for YEARS. I have never had to put thought into what tyres to buy, its always been the GSD3. I run an Accord Type R. I have just taken some German GSD3's off, which were amazing right up until the wear indicator. Now i expected great things when the new set went on, and, all i can say is that i am very much un impressed! I have had the car fully serviced, had the 4 wheel alignment sorted, and, not to put too fine a point on it.........my car drives and handles like a bag of tits now!
I was then aware of another Accord Type R owner having similar issues with his China tyres. james, was it you who i spoke to on the phone on Friday? I understand that when my tyres are returned to Goodyear, they will be tested and if they are found to be 'within tolerance' then i would have to pay - PERSONALLY - to have them sent back to me? The tyres may be found to be within tolerance, but, as stated already on here, the manufacturing materials have changed, and now people are complaining about the tyre for the first time in its production.......???
I will say, mine as all E marked. My car wanders all over the road. The ATR has excellent steering feel, so i do know exactly what is happening with the tyre. I have swapped them all around and it is no better. I even try running them harder than normal and its just not the same car is used to be on the old GSD3s....... GUTTED is not the word!
I feel it would be a shame for Goodyear to raise an issue should my tyres go back and be found okay. I have never had a problem before with my tyres, and would certainly not go to the hassle of buying 4 more new tyres, at a cost of well over £300 pounds, to replace my 4 new F1s........then send the 4 F1s back. That is not a hassle i would go through for no reason, and like i say, its not something i have ever had to contemplate before! I guess i will just need to see what happens with my set. Whatever the outcome, that will influence my views on future tyre buying.
As it stands, i am now looking back to my Toyo days, possibly going to give the T1-R a try. I have also been looking into the Hankook RS2. Its hard work when what you are used to is no longer availible! Bring back the German GSD3 with the RAYON materials!!!!
Thanks for this thread anyway guys, i just hope this gets worked out! Oh and to add insult to injury.....i got a screw in one of mine yesterday!! Oh, i wont be fixing that before i send it back either, as it is irrelevant to the problem
Rob
Right, i have also got 4 new GSD3 F1s - China made!! Now, these tyres i have used for YEARS. I have never had to put thought into what tyres to buy, its always been the GSD3. I run an Accord Type R. I have just taken some German GSD3's off, which were amazing right up until the wear indicator. Now i expected great things when the new set went on, and, all i can say is that i am very much un impressed! I have had the car fully serviced, had the 4 wheel alignment sorted, and, not to put too fine a point on it.........my car drives and handles like a bag of tits now!
I was then aware of another Accord Type R owner having similar issues with his China tyres. james, was it you who i spoke to on the phone on Friday? I understand that when my tyres are returned to Goodyear, they will be tested and if they are found to be 'within tolerance' then i would have to pay - PERSONALLY - to have them sent back to me? The tyres may be found to be within tolerance, but, as stated already on here, the manufacturing materials have changed, and now people are complaining about the tyre for the first time in its production.......???
I will say, mine as all E marked. My car wanders all over the road. The ATR has excellent steering feel, so i do know exactly what is happening with the tyre. I have swapped them all around and it is no better. I even try running them harder than normal and its just not the same car is used to be on the old GSD3s....... GUTTED is not the word!
I feel it would be a shame for Goodyear to raise an issue should my tyres go back and be found okay. I have never had a problem before with my tyres, and would certainly not go to the hassle of buying 4 more new tyres, at a cost of well over £300 pounds, to replace my 4 new F1s........then send the 4 F1s back. That is not a hassle i would go through for no reason, and like i say, its not something i have ever had to contemplate before! I guess i will just need to see what happens with my set. Whatever the outcome, that will influence my views on future tyre buying.
As it stands, i am now looking back to my Toyo days, possibly going to give the T1-R a try. I have also been looking into the Hankook RS2. Its hard work when what you are used to is no longer availible! Bring back the German GSD3 with the RAYON materials!!!!
Thanks for this thread anyway guys, i just hope this gets worked out! Oh and to add insult to injury.....i got a screw in one of mine yesterday!! Oh, i wont be fixing that before i send it back either, as it is irrelevant to the problem
RobRob - I don't think Goodyear are going to shift on this. They will just point to the E-marks and say 'tough' (in the nicest possible way) even though the tyres from china are made from different materials from those made in Germany, and they still haven't admitted this.
My issue is that I've bought something in good faith which is called GSD3 but which is constructed differently. This is not mytyres fault or issue.
I'm coming round to buying another set from a tyre-company which actually sells a consistant and known product, and throwing the GSD3s in the bin - sounds melodramatic? It's my wifes car and my two young sons are in the back most days. I paid for the best tyres because I want them to have the best chance in any dodgy situation.
I no longer know this to be true.
My issue is that I've bought something in good faith which is called GSD3 but which is constructed differently. This is not mytyres fault or issue.
I'm coming round to buying another set from a tyre-company which actually sells a consistant and known product, and throwing the GSD3s in the bin - sounds melodramatic? It's my wifes car and my two young sons are in the back most days. I paid for the best tyres because I want them to have the best chance in any dodgy situation.
I no longer know this to be true.
Hi Rob
It wasn't me you spoke to, but when I'm back in the office I will find out more.
The Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3 has been (or will be as part of a phasing in) replaced with the new Eagle F1 Asymmetric in these sizes:
http://eu.goodyear.com/uk_en/tires/re
This is a step forward over the F1 GS-D3.
We will sell GS-D3 where Asymmetric sizes are unavailable or where OE contracts state that GSD3 has to still be used. Eg: Panda 100HP and Suzuki Swift Sport both have newly developed GSD3 tyres as OE fitment.
If we find your tyres have a problem, then of course we would rectify that situation. We would need to test the tyres and also establish if you were supplied with the correct tyres by your dealer. It is a complex market, because in any one size of tyre we (and most other tyre manufacturers) make several different versions to suit different OE fitments. For example, a 205/55R16 Mercedes tyre is different to a 205/55R16 Mondeo tyre even if the tread pattern is the same, due to the differing requirements of the vehicle manufacturers.
This isn't a problem when we manage the distribution as our approved dealers and the vehicle main agents will be supplied with the correct tyre. However, you can probably appreciate the complexity when unofficial importers and their dealers start to enter the supply chain.
I'm not saying that this is what has happened with the supply of your tyres, but I'm just trying to illustrated how complex the situation is. One other poster mentioned going to a tyre company that has consistent product specifications, but in fairness, all tyre companies have the multiple product lines to suit different OE customers.
We will come back to you directly Rob when I'm back in the office.
It wasn't me you spoke to, but when I'm back in the office I will find out more.
The Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3 has been (or will be as part of a phasing in) replaced with the new Eagle F1 Asymmetric in these sizes:
http://eu.goodyear.com/uk_en/tires/re
This is a step forward over the F1 GS-D3.
We will sell GS-D3 where Asymmetric sizes are unavailable or where OE contracts state that GSD3 has to still be used. Eg: Panda 100HP and Suzuki Swift Sport both have newly developed GSD3 tyres as OE fitment.
If we find your tyres have a problem, then of course we would rectify that situation. We would need to test the tyres and also establish if you were supplied with the correct tyres by your dealer. It is a complex market, because in any one size of tyre we (and most other tyre manufacturers) make several different versions to suit different OE fitments. For example, a 205/55R16 Mercedes tyre is different to a 205/55R16 Mondeo tyre even if the tread pattern is the same, due to the differing requirements of the vehicle manufacturers.
This isn't a problem when we manage the distribution as our approved dealers and the vehicle main agents will be supplied with the correct tyre. However, you can probably appreciate the complexity when unofficial importers and their dealers start to enter the supply chain.
I'm not saying that this is what has happened with the supply of your tyres, but I'm just trying to illustrated how complex the situation is. One other poster mentioned going to a tyre company that has consistent product specifications, but in fairness, all tyre companies have the multiple product lines to suit different OE customers.
We will come back to you directly Rob when I'm back in the office.
redlake27 said:
It is a complex market, because in any one size of tyre we (and most other tyre manufacturers) make several different versions to suit different OE fitments. For example, a 205/55R16 Mercedes tyre is different to a 205/55R16 Mondeo tyre even if the tread pattern is the same, due to the differing requirements of the vehicle manufacturers.
This to me is getting crazy.
We can buy the exact same tyre (Goodyear F1 GSD-3), but we could end up with a tyre made in a different way, with a different compound AND in a different size! So a totally different tyre! We the end consumer don't even know what we're getting anymore!
My post about buying from another manufacturer instead of Goodyear........
........what I meant was that I bet no-one else makes versions of their tyres with RAYON in Germany, and POLYESTER in China.
It is a complex market, because in any one size of tyre we (and most other tyre manufacturers) make several different versions to suit different OE fitments. For example, a 205/55R16 Mercedes tyre is different to a 205/55R16 Mondeo tyre even if the tread pattern is the same, due to the differing requirements of the vehicle manufacturers.
This to me is getting crazy.
We can buy the exact same tyre (Goodyear F1 GSD-3), but we could end up with a tyre made in a different way, with a different compound AND in a different size! So a totally different tyre! We the end consumer don't even know what we're getting anymore!
so........ which ones are tested by the car magazines? Which GSD3s are the ones which win the awards and perform so well? A special set sent out from the factory for Car-magazine testing only?
redlake27 said:
One other poster mentioned going to a tyre company that has consistent product specifications, but in fairness, all tyre companies have the multiple product lines to suit different OE customers.
........what I meant was that I bet no-one else makes versions of their tyres with RAYON in Germany, and POLYESTER in China.
bus_ter said:
redlake27 said:
It is a complex market, because in any one size of tyre we (and most other tyre manufacturers) make several different versions to suit different OE fitments. For example, a 205/55R16 Mercedes tyre is different to a 205/55R16 Mondeo tyre even if the tread pattern is the same, due to the differing requirements of the vehicle manufacturers.
This to me is getting crazy.
We can buy the exact same tyre (Goodyear F1 GSD-3), but we could end up with a tyre made in a different way, with a different compound AND in a different size! So a totally different tyre! We the end consumer don't even know what we're getting anymore!
so........ which ones are tested by the car magazines? Which GSD3s are the ones which win the awards and perform so well? A special set sent out from the factory for Car-magazine testing only?
Thanks for the call James! I appreciate that.
As a matter of interest.....i took my car back to the 4-wheel alignment garage on Saturday morning, as i wanted to double check the alignment that had been done on the car! A different guy took the car on the ramps, and i was chatting away to him. He was very helpful indeed!
Anyway, here were my findings......... lifted from my post on www.atr.org.uk
***FIXED***
Well, after all my shite about China GSD3's, thinking to send them back, speaking to goodyear, mytyres, and various people........it seems that i have sourced the problem!!...........
As it says above, i got my 4 wheel alignment seen to, and the car was still not right, and steering was on a kink. I rang the garage earlier today, and told them. Luckily, i could drop it back with them this morning and they had a look at it!
It was a different guy who took the car this time. He got all the gear on the wheels and STRAIGHT AWAY it shown that the tracking was miles out!!! In a way i was glad........as it made sense as to why my car was handling so badly, and generally, going all over the road!
Anyway, this guy seemed pretty clued up, and was chatting away to me while setting it all up.Once he aligned my front end, he then went lock to lock again (other guy didnt) and then re-adjusted once more! THEN we went for a road test to make sure all was well.........guess what, straight steering wheel!!!!! and guess what else??? MY ATR IS BACK!!!
I am so so so f***** happy! for the first time in about 2 months, i was able to take it for a full on thrash! I went up my usual road giving it some stick! It corners again and i feel confident in it! i got my China softies warmed up a treat, and my brake discs with a blue tint to them!!!!
I Stopped for a little cooling off period, with a huge smile on my face!!! What a week........van clutch went BANG, car has been getting used more than ever, and its been doing my head in - is it faulty tyres? Do i have a shocker out? no......it just wasnt aligned properly! The steering feel of the car REALLY does let you know of any little problems!
Back to getting 50 miles to a tenner! If the weather is nice tomorrow, i may even wash it now!
****
So, i think i am sorted.......apart from my newly found screw in my tyre! I will keep pushing on when i get my tyre fixed, and update you on my findings!!
As a matter of interest.....i took my car back to the 4-wheel alignment garage on Saturday morning, as i wanted to double check the alignment that had been done on the car! A different guy took the car on the ramps, and i was chatting away to him. He was very helpful indeed!
Anyway, here were my findings......... lifted from my post on www.atr.org.uk
***FIXED***
Well, after all my shite about China GSD3's, thinking to send them back, speaking to goodyear, mytyres, and various people........it seems that i have sourced the problem!!...........
As it says above, i got my 4 wheel alignment seen to, and the car was still not right, and steering was on a kink. I rang the garage earlier today, and told them. Luckily, i could drop it back with them this morning and they had a look at it!
It was a different guy who took the car this time. He got all the gear on the wheels and STRAIGHT AWAY it shown that the tracking was miles out!!! In a way i was glad........as it made sense as to why my car was handling so badly, and generally, going all over the road!
Anyway, this guy seemed pretty clued up, and was chatting away to me while setting it all up.Once he aligned my front end, he then went lock to lock again (other guy didnt) and then re-adjusted once more! THEN we went for a road test to make sure all was well.........guess what, straight steering wheel!!!!! and guess what else??? MY ATR IS BACK!!!
I am so so so f***** happy! for the first time in about 2 months, i was able to take it for a full on thrash! I went up my usual road giving it some stick! It corners again and i feel confident in it! i got my China softies warmed up a treat, and my brake discs with a blue tint to them!!!!
I Stopped for a little cooling off period, with a huge smile on my face!!! What a week........van clutch went BANG, car has been getting used more than ever, and its been doing my head in - is it faulty tyres? Do i have a shocker out? no......it just wasnt aligned properly! The steering feel of the car REALLY does let you know of any little problems!
Back to getting 50 miles to a tenner! If the weather is nice tomorrow, i may even wash it now!
****
So, i think i am sorted.......apart from my newly found screw in my tyre! I will keep pushing on when i get my tyre fixed, and update you on my findings!!
Further Update:
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I've also emailed Blackcircles, and they have been much more helpful. They don't have my size in stock at the moment, but they seem to be aware of the issue with foreign tyres (even mentioning USA tyres that mytyres are supplying) and source all their tyres from Goodyear/Dunlop UK. They even say they'll check the tyres before sending them out. So top marks to Blackcircles.
To Blackcircles:
Hi,
I have been advised from Goodyear that some of the popular online tyre suppliers (no names given) have been supplying 'grey market' versions of tyres that are not designed for UK use. In some cases even supplying non E marked tyres that are actually illegal for use in the UK.
I'm specifically interested in buying a set of Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3 tyres. Can you advise if your tyres are the correct European sourced versions? And what country they originate from?
Regards,
Me
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Thank you for the email. All of our stock is UK approved, and carries the European E mark for use in the UK. Our stock is sourced from Goodyear/Dunlop UK. I believe you are correct - anything not carrying the E stamp is not suitable for use in the UK, and tyres made by Goodyear for other markets (such as the USA) have a different compound and do not work well on European roads.
Tyres can be manufactured anywhere I the world, as long as they are made to the correct specification and carry the E stamp.
Please let me know if you need any help.
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( I told them what sizes I needed)
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Dear Sir
Thanks for the swift reply
Yes unfortunately the Goodyear GSD3 tyres are out of stock at the moment and as my suppliers are closed I cannot get any dates, but we do have plenty of the Goodyear GSD2 available for purchase.
We can also find out were the tyres originally were manufactured
Please do not hesitate to let me know directly if there is any thing else that you need
Best regards,
Marc
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Hi Marc,
Can you let me know if these tyres are now in stock or when you expect to get stock?
Ideally I am looking for the German produced versions of these tyres as Goodyear UK have advised me that only the German Eagle GSD-3's are official UK stock for my sizes.
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Dear Sir
Thanks for the reply
Yes this information does seem to be true and we at blackcircles would say it would be best to get the ones from Germany,
I will let you know if I get any date for these tyres and we can physically check were they where made
Best regards
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I've also emailed Blackcircles, and they have been much more helpful. They don't have my size in stock at the moment, but they seem to be aware of the issue with foreign tyres (even mentioning USA tyres that mytyres are supplying) and source all their tyres from Goodyear/Dunlop UK. They even say they'll check the tyres before sending them out. So top marks to Blackcircles.
To Blackcircles:
Hi,
I have been advised from Goodyear that some of the popular online tyre suppliers (no names given) have been supplying 'grey market' versions of tyres that are not designed for UK use. In some cases even supplying non E marked tyres that are actually illegal for use in the UK.
I'm specifically interested in buying a set of Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3 tyres. Can you advise if your tyres are the correct European sourced versions? And what country they originate from?
Regards,
Me
--------------------
Thank you for the email. All of our stock is UK approved, and carries the European E mark for use in the UK. Our stock is sourced from Goodyear/Dunlop UK. I believe you are correct - anything not carrying the E stamp is not suitable for use in the UK, and tyres made by Goodyear for other markets (such as the USA) have a different compound and do not work well on European roads.
Tyres can be manufactured anywhere I the world, as long as they are made to the correct specification and carry the E stamp.
Please let me know if you need any help.
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( I told them what sizes I needed)
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Dear Sir
Thanks for the swift reply
Yes unfortunately the Goodyear GSD3 tyres are out of stock at the moment and as my suppliers are closed I cannot get any dates, but we do have plenty of the Goodyear GSD2 available for purchase.
We can also find out were the tyres originally were manufactured
Please do not hesitate to let me know directly if there is any thing else that you need
Best regards,
Marc
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Hi Marc,
Can you let me know if these tyres are now in stock or when you expect to get stock?
Ideally I am looking for the German produced versions of these tyres as Goodyear UK have advised me that only the German Eagle GSD-3's are official UK stock for my sizes.
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Dear Sir
Thanks for the reply
Yes this information does seem to be true and we at blackcircles would say it would be best to get the ones from Germany,
I will let you know if I get any date for these tyres and we can physically check were they where made
Best regards
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