Tavarish P1 rebuild
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McLaren also don't know best, clearly proven by the number of engine failure at low mileage they suffer from. Add to that the traction battery issues on the P1 and even the 720 affected with numerous failures of stock motors.
The cars aren't the be all and end all of bullet proof engineering, much like modern Porsche they in fact leave a lot to be desired hence the proliferation of aftermarket companies there ready to pick up the pieces.
The cars aren't the be all and end all of bullet proof engineering, much like modern Porsche they in fact leave a lot to be desired hence the proliferation of aftermarket companies there ready to pick up the pieces.
LivLL said:
McLaren also don't know best, clearly proven by the number of engine failure at low mileage they suffer from. Add to that the traction battery issues on the P1 and even the 720 affected with numerous failures of stock motors.
The cars aren't the be all and end all of bullet proof engineering, much like modern Porsche they in fact leave a lot to be desired hence the proliferation of aftermarket companies there ready to pick up the pieces.
They're not trying to make them more reliable. They're trying to make them more powerful. Because 710 horsepower in a 1420kg car isn't enough for their god-like driving skills apparently. Which I would almost admire if they actually had god-like driving skills, but if you watch Tavarish's videos (especially the Car Trek with the aforementioned 675LT) you will quickly realise that he doesn't - and as far as I can tell neither do any of the others. What they want is to post pictures on instagram of the dyno plot from their engine, presumably one-handed. If you actually want to make any grown-up McLaren go faster in actual driving, more power is the last thing you need. Once you've exhausted improving your own driving skill, then tyre selection and geometry will make a far greater difference. And if you want to make it more reliable, more power is also the last thing you need. I suspect a lot of the reliability problems come from not being driven, being driven stupidly, being revved or driven too hard while cold, being launched (honestly, why do this?), driving around in track mode all the time and otherwise being a muppet.The cars aren't the be all and end all of bullet proof engineering, much like modern Porsche they in fact leave a lot to be desired hence the proliferation of aftermarket companies there ready to pick up the pieces.
LivLL said:
McLaren also don't know best, clearly proven by the number of engine failure at low mileage they suffer from. Add to that the traction battery issues on the P1 and even the 720 affected with numerous failures of stock motors.
The cars aren't the be all and end all of bullet proof engineering, much like modern Porsche they in fact leave a lot to be desired hence the proliferation of aftermarket companies there ready to pick up the pieces.
You can evidence this stock engine unreliability?The cars aren't the be all and end all of bullet proof engineering, much like modern Porsche they in fact leave a lot to be desired hence the proliferation of aftermarket companies there ready to pick up the pieces.
964Cup said:
He's appealing to the US market, which consists of mouth breathers constitutionally unable to leave their cars alone. You should see the number of people on US McLaren forums whining that their cars don't work properly despite being "bone stock...apart from a tune/the turbo inlets/decat etc" They all know better than Woking (or Ricardo) and since they don't actually drive their cars, it's all about droning on about wheel horsepower and theoretical acceleration in a straight line to other very large people over awful coffee at a posing event that requires a journey of fewer than 5 miles from their house. Remember that Tavarish (who really needs to eat fewer pies himself) blew up his 675LT because apparently it needed more "powerrr" so he "threw a tune" on it and then promptly bent a rod while revving it to impress another yootoober with peculiar holes in his ears who's allowed a six-year-old to scribble all over him in magic marker. Accordingly he's going to ruin a possibly saveable P1 with a variety of ill-chosen "upgrades". Thankfully it was a) yellow and b) otherwise destined for garage-queenhood and careful polishing of the wheel wells before exhibition at the aforementioned cars and coffee, probably having been trailered there to keep it at 300 careful miles, so it's not really a great loss.
I don't know what's more surprising, the number of people you managed to personally insult in a thread about a P1 or your hatred for Yellow cars 
I think one of the positives about Tavarish's channel is he shows theses cars warts and all and gives the majority of us who wouldn't ever get the chance to take apart a Lambo or Mclaren a look behind the curtain so to speak.
I think he's been pretty balanced in his coverage of Mclaren's, it's hard to argue with some of the bodges or questionable build quality he's come across on both of them but he also praises the technology and performance of them in equal measures. You don't have to look far to find lots of unhappy Mclaren customers with stock cars so I see no issue with him ripping apart a wreck and rebuilding it as he sees fit, better than before. (He owned up to the 675 failure as his own fault remember).
C5_Steve said:
Thought this latest one was good, interesting to hear he had planned to drop the engine into the 675LT which a lot of us suspected but now he has plans for a second-hand battery seems a very large and expensive part of the puzzle has fallen into place.
Was a bit disappointed when I heard he was going to use the engine for another car, I hadn't really watched any of Tavarish's videos before but I was under the impression he was going to restore it, was the original plan just to take the engine out and sell the rest for spares?LivLL said:
I know, anyone would think this is something other than a chat forum. Evidence read up yourself on the Mc forums.
I love it when some random who has never taken an interest in the discussion pops up and demands evidence on a forum. Nuts.
I’ll make this my last interaction with you. read up yourself on the Mc forums.I love it when some random who has never taken an interest in the discussion pops up and demands evidence on a forum. Nuts.
Edited by LivLL on Thursday 29th June 09:14
So, you have no evidence, exclaim they are new to the thread, and then accuse me of being nuts.
Thank you for the entertainment, and the insight into your ego.
MesoForm said:
Was a bit disappointed when I heard he was going to use the engine for another car, I hadn't really watched any of Tavarish's videos before but I was under the impression he was going to restore it, was the original plan just to take the engine out and sell the rest for spares?
He'd never said he planned to take the engine out and drop it in the 675, so in this video he was just explaining that he'd thought of it but now wasn't going ahead. A lot of us on this thread had wondered if he'd remove the engine as he blew his 675 up just before buying this. But it looks like he's going to rebuild both to a higher spec now.
Part 7 is now out. Enjoy.
https://youtu.be/EcJObyJWrNA
Now its getting crazy.
A P1 fully restored to original specification by Tavarish has its value.
A P1 restored and upgraded in so many ways will not hold its value.
Just my 5 cents.
https://youtu.be/EcJObyJWrNA
Now its getting crazy.
Edited by MclaesLaren on Monday 10th July 07:26
A P1 fully restored to original specification by Tavarish has its value.
A P1 restored and upgraded in so many ways will not hold its value.
Just my 5 cents.
Edited by MclaesLaren on Monday 10th July 07:44
This series just keeps getting better. I don't think he cares about future value. The value to his brand this series is giving him far outweighs it. Plus, the car he ends up with will be his holy grail car that I'm pretty sure he won't be looking to sell on ever.
That carbon body is fantastic.
That carbon body is fantastic.
SHutchinson said:
This series just keeps getting better. I don't think he cares about future value. The value to his brand this series is giving him far outweighs it. Plus, the car he ends up with will be his holy grail car that I'm pretty sure he won't be looking to sell on ever.
That carbon body is fantastic.
Completely agree, rebuilding it as standard would never be that interesting, it'd never be worth what an original would be so why bother? That carbon body is fantastic.
This is probably a unique opportunity to create a true one off that will never be repeated. Hats off to him, it's a brilliant project and he's working with some really interesting shops on it. I just hope he continues to be involved in the work himself as much as possible and doesn't just farm out the work (I'm sure he won't but I'd be disappointed if it was just update videos of him filming someone else do the work).
C5_Steve said:
SHutchinson said:
This series just keeps getting better. I don't think he cares about future value. The value to his brand this series is giving him far outweighs it. Plus, the car he ends up with will be his holy grail car that I'm pretty sure he won't be looking to sell on ever.
That carbon body is fantastic.
Completely agree, rebuilding it as standard would never be that interesting, it'd never be worth what an original would be so why bother? That carbon body is fantastic.
This is probably a unique opportunity to create a true one off that will never be repeated. Hats off to him, it's a brilliant project and he's working with some really interesting shops on it. I just hope he continues to be involved in the work himself as much as possible and doesn't just farm out the work (I'm sure he won't but I'd be disappointed if it was just update videos of him filming someone else do the work).
BobM said:
I'm a bit surprised about the carbon tub repair. I expected them to strip the car to a bare tub then get it repaired in the specialist's workshop rather than doing it up on Freddie's ramp.
I'm not sure either way is a proper repair, hence why Mclaren won't do any carbon repairs.You can patch it and make it look as good as new, but it can't have the strength of the original tub because the carbon material isn't all one woven piece (or complete layers of woven pieces).
If you just wanted a light and fairly strong material, you could use fibre glass for a fraction of the cost and hassle of carbon fibre. There's a reason people choose carbon fibre and go through the very complex and difficult manufacturing process.
youngsyr said:
BobM said:
I'm a bit surprised about the carbon tub repair. I expected them to strip the car to a bare tub then get it repaired in the specialist's workshop rather than doing it up on Freddie's ramp.
I'm not sure either way is a proper repair, hence why Mclaren won't do any carbon repairs.You can patch it and make it look as good as new, but it can't have the strength of the original tub because the carbon material isn't all one woven piece (or complete layers of woven pieces).
If you just wanted a light and fairly strong material, you could use fibre glass for a fraction of the cost and hassle of carbon fibre. There's a reason people choose carbon fibre and go through the very complex and difficult manufacturing process.
The method they are using is no different to how those elements were first formed, the use of resin impregnation under pressure is for speed of construction, the strength capabilities can be replicated, its just takes longer.
Once patch repaired an entire piece of carbon material to the same spec could then be laid over the entire section of that underfloor to make it look pretty and as per the o/e look.
youngsyr said:
BobM said:
I'm a bit surprised about the carbon tub repair. I expected them to strip the car to a bare tub then get it repaired in the specialist's workshop rather than doing it up on Freddie's ramp.
I'm not sure either way is a proper repair, hence why Mclaren won't do any carbon repairs.You can patch it and make it look as good as new, but it can't have the strength of the original tub because the carbon material isn't all one woven piece (or complete layers of woven pieces).
If you just wanted a light and fairly strong material, you could use fibre glass for a fraction of the cost and hassle of carbon fibre. There's a reason people choose carbon fibre and go through the very complex and difficult manufacturing process.
AyBee said:
youngsyr said:
BobM said:
I'm a bit surprised about the carbon tub repair. I expected them to strip the car to a bare tub then get it repaired in the specialist's workshop rather than doing it up on Freddie's ramp.
I'm not sure either way is a proper repair, hence why Mclaren won't do any carbon repairs.You can patch it and make it look as good as new, but it can't have the strength of the original tub because the carbon material isn't all one woven piece (or complete layers of woven pieces).
If you just wanted a light and fairly strong material, you could use fibre glass for a fraction of the cost and hassle of carbon fibre. There's a reason people choose carbon fibre and go through the very complex and difficult manufacturing process.
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