Hydrogen is the future of motoring

Hydrogen is the future of motoring

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thinfourth2

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32,414 posts

205 months

Wednesday 1st August 2012
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roadend1981 said:
Search hydrogen fuel cell on YouTube and car run on water.
So if big oil companies have managed to stop all the different car companies on the planet from selling us cars that run purely on water then can you please explain to me why they haven't managed to get these videos off youtube?

I'd love to know

A huge big evil group of companies that have people killed, companies shut down and have even got the laws of physics re written to protect themselves from us discovering that water burns can't get a crappy video off youtube.

Doesn't that see a trifle odd to you

roadend1981

190 posts

159 months

Wednesday 1st August 2012
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DonkeyApple said:
For a list of funding scams and mentalists?

Where do you get the energy to break the bond between the atoms to create the gas?

Is the gas produced able to generate more energy than the energy required to break the initial bonds?

What has happened to the UK education system?
Second law thermal dynamics,the way to get round it,is using a 3 phase alternative current.

thinfourth2

Original Poster:

32,414 posts

205 months

Wednesday 1st August 2012
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roadend1981 said:
Second law thermal dynamics,the way to get round it,is using a 3 phase alternative current.
You WHAT

Have you any idea what 3 phase alternating current is?

If so how do you get 3 phase alternating current from a 12V car considering 3 phase in the UK is 440V


DonkeyApple

55,729 posts

170 months

Wednesday 1st August 2012
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roadend1981 said:
Second law thermal dynamics,the way to get round it,is using a 3 phase alternative current.
Please do elaborate wink

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 1st August 2012
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alternative currents you say?, ah, interesting, perhaps these might work??


odyssey2200

18,650 posts

210 months

Wednesday 1st August 2012
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Max_Torque said:
alternative currents you say?, ah, interesting, perhaps these might work??

Thank you for raisin the subject.


SSBB

695 posts

157 months

Wednesday 1st August 2012
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roadend1981 said:
Second law thermal dynamics,the way to get round it,is using a 3 phase alternative current.
THERMAL dynamics? Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah rofl

cure

231 posts

146 months

Wednesday 1st August 2012
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roadend1981 said:
Search hydrogen fuel cell on YouTube and car run on water.
Oh boy. Thanks for ending my 6-page read here with a proper laugh.

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 1st August 2012
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odyssey2200 said:
Max_Torque said:
alternative currents you say?, ah, interesting, perhaps these might work??

Thank you for raisin the subject.
Lets hope our slightly delusional poster does get a case of sour grapes or feel a bit desicated

otolith

56,451 posts

205 months

Wednesday 1st August 2012
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Someone needs to prune this thread.

odyssey2200

18,650 posts

210 months

Wednesday 1st August 2012
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Max_Torque said:
odyssey2200 said:
Max_Torque said:
alternative currents you say?, ah, interesting, perhaps these might work??

Thank you for raisin the subject.
Lets hope our slightly delusional poster does get a case of sour grapes or feel a bit desicated
Can we set a date for that?

wombat172a

1,455 posts

184 months

Wednesday 1st August 2012
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roadend1981 said:
Second law thermal dynamics,the way to get round it,is using a 3 phase alternative current.
rofl

I just want to reply to this amazing sentence. I've no idea with what though. But just look at it!!

roadend1981

190 posts

159 months

Wednesday 1st August 2012
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Never did really listen in science,but thought I'd have a bash.

DonkeyApple

55,729 posts

170 months

Wednesday 1st August 2012
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wombat172a said:
rofl

I just want to reply to this amazing sentence. I've no idea with what though. But just look at it!!
An image maybe?



wombat172a

1,455 posts

184 months

Wednesday 1st August 2012
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roadend1981 said:
Never did really listen in science,but thought I'd have a bash.
Sorry I don't mean to be rude, but it's akin to a chap last week who was telling me that he had dark matter injected into his head during a CT scan.

roadend1981

190 posts

159 months

Wednesday 1st August 2012
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Must of made you laugh,because peoples other posts made me laugh,was gonna carry on coming out with bull,but thought you guys would end up taking it to seriously,and think I should be in a mental hospital,when I've only just come out of one.

strudel

5,888 posts

228 months

Wednesday 1st August 2012
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I thought the second law of thermodynamics was about hen-droppings. Can we power a car on that, or am I clucking mad?

The Wookie

13,979 posts

229 months

Wednesday 1st August 2012
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Omshanti said:
As I have been writing several times in my previous posts in this topic, I am not trying to argue about the efficiency of the combustion engine vs the fuel cell electric motor as I know the latter is more efficient.
My whole point is that out of all the proposed alternative technologies, I like the hydrogen powered combustion engine because it would be the same as driving petrol cars and would keep everything we like about driving today in the future (that is of course if anybody tries to develop it).
Perhaps it won't take off as a practical technology in the future but nevertheless I wasn't trying to address its practicality.
If one day petrol runs out, any alternative energy source that allows cars to run just like petrol cars is an attractive technology to me.
That is all I am trying to say. Nothing more nothing less.

Regarding electric motors, is it possible to use manual transmissions on them?
I know they have a wide power band and do not require gears as much as combustion engines, but surely they must have a point where power is at its optimum and therefore to make the best gears would be required?




Edited by Omshanti on Wednesday 1st August 20:42
Don't bother wasting your energy (fnar) on Hydrogen, closed loop Methanol synthesis from CO2 is more efficient and far more practical as it requires minimal modification to existing vehicles.

http://www.lotuscars.com/engineering/lotus-exige-2...

Omshanti

58 posts

142 months

Wednesday 1st August 2012
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thinfourth2 said:
Omshanti said:

My whole point is that out of all the proposed alternative technologies, I like the hydrogen powered combustion engine because it would be the same as driving petrol cars

Exhibit A


The nissan micra.

fking boring car and the removal of the petrol engine and replacement of it by an electric motor could not make it any more boring. If anything it would make it more pleasant


Exhibit B


A pony

An animal of no fking use what so ever. It has been made completely redundant by motorised transport. But you can still buy them. It has become a toy.



So if you think that the future of fun motoring is Hydrogen you are hugely wrong. Modern cars are unfeasibly dull. If you think the coming wave of electric cars means the death of fun cars then you are also wrong as fun cars will carry on to exist as petrol won't vanish it will just get bloody expensive.
I don't think Nissan Micra is a bad car at all. I love the action of changing gears manually and everything that comes with it such as heel and toe, clutch-less shift, double de-clutching, rev adjusting..etc, there is so much to enjoy in manual transmissions. You can enjoy doing all of this in a manual Nissan micra, and I also love the responsiveness of normally aspirated petrol engines regardless of their power. You don't need to have a performance car with a massive amount of horse power to enjoy these aspects in a car. In fact the less power a car has the more you can practice those things in daily driving conditions.
Regarding horses. They are unlikely to go extinct and their foods are not going to disappear either, but oil and therefore petrol will run out at some point. Who knows when but probably within the next half a century, and long before oil runs out it will be so expensive and rare that using them to run cars would be impossible. So why not celebrate an alternative energy technology which allows cars to have the same characteristics as petrol cars?
This is all I am doing. I am simply being excited with the prospect of hydrogen combustion engines for the reasons I mention above. Perhaps no one will develop it in the future but at least I know it's technically possible. That alone, in my opinion, is worth celebrating as a car enthusiast, and I decided to share my excitement about it in my first post here. I did not expect so much negative reaction towards it.
If you don't want to celebrate it, then so be it. It is none of my business.



Edited by Omshanti on Wednesday 1st August 23:17

Omshanti

58 posts

142 months

Wednesday 1st August 2012
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The Wookie said:
Omshanti said:
As I have been writing several times in my previous posts in this topic, I am not trying to argue about the efficiency of the combustion engine vs the fuel cell electric motor as I know the latter is more efficient.
My whole point is that out of all the proposed alternative technologies, I like the hydrogen powered combustion engine because it would be the same as driving petrol cars and would keep everything we like about driving today in the future (that is of course if anybody tries to develop it).
Perhaps it won't take off as a practical technology in the future but nevertheless I wasn't trying to address its practicality.
If one day petrol runs out, any alternative energy source that allows cars to run just like petrol cars is an attractive technology to me.
That is all I am trying to say. Nothing more nothing less.

Regarding electric motors, is it possible to use manual transmissions on them?
I know they have a wide power band and do not require gears as much as combustion engines, but surely they must have a point where power is at its optimum and therefore to make the best gears would be required?




Edited by Omshanti on Wednesday 1st August 20:42
Don't bother wasting your energy (fnar) on Hydrogen, closed loop Methanol synthesis from CO2 is more efficient and far more practical as it requires minimal modification to existing vehicles.

http://www.lotuscars.com/engineering/lotus-exige-2...
That is very interesting, and an amazing news! Thank you very much for sharing.



Edited by Omshanti on Wednesday 1st August 23:10