Why no LPG cars from manufacturers?
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A few years back a mate had a "factory" LPG Vectra SRi. When it stopped working he took it back to main agents who had no idea about how it worked. Seems Vauxhall farmed out the converions to a specialist company and the main agent would have to arrange transportation of his car to them for rectification. Local LPG specialist reluctant to touch due to not being Vauxhall approved so extended warrantee might be invalidated.
In the end he px'd for a diesel !
Paul H
In the end he px'd for a diesel !
Paul H
When I was working for a construction contractor, they had loads of dual-fuel Astra vans.
After a while, people never bothered using the gas, because one by one they all broke and became uneconomical to repair. Plus the tanks took up load space and annoyed everyone.
They all eventually got phased out and returned back to diesel.
After a while, people never bothered using the gas, because one by one they all broke and became uneconomical to repair. Plus the tanks took up load space and annoyed everyone.
They all eventually got phased out and returned back to diesel.
RichyBoy said:
Still nothing mainstream. I would have thought with falling gas prices and such a huge world supply, manufacturers would be bringing out loads of lpg cars.
The fact that Volvo, Vauxhall and Subaru all stopped selling them would indicate they didn't sell or had problems.Father in law has a dual fuel Proton; one of these:
http://www.proton.co.uk/ecologic/
I think the size of tax break LPG gets is hard to justify these days, especially given the stated justification for the rapacious petrol and diesel taxes and how clean all modern cars are. As long as it remains, though, worth exploiting.
http://www.proton.co.uk/ecologic/
I think the size of tax break LPG gets is hard to justify these days, especially given the stated justification for the rapacious petrol and diesel taxes and how clean all modern cars are. As long as it remains, though, worth exploiting.
otolith said:
Father in law has a dual fuel Proton; one of these:
http://www.proton.co.uk/ecologic/
I think the size of tax break LPG gets is hard to justify these days, especially given the stated justification for the rapacious petrol and diesel taxes and how clean all modern cars are. As long as it remains, though, worth exploiting.
And it's even more worth it if you figure out a way to fill your car up from your houses LPG tank, if you have one! That way it only costs about half as much.http://www.proton.co.uk/ecologic/
I think the size of tax break LPG gets is hard to justify these days, especially given the stated justification for the rapacious petrol and diesel taxes and how clean all modern cars are. As long as it remains, though, worth exploiting.
My dad had a factory LPG Astra, (2004 I think) it was a bit of a nightmare by all accounts, cheap to get around in as long as you popped to the place on an industrial estate every week to get a cheap fill up (much cheaper than from a petrol station) but that was where the savings ended. The DVLA didn't even accept what it was so he was still paying the same tax as he would have on a normal 1.6 petrol.
Needed a seperate service every year just for the LPG system which no one was keen to touch so he had to go miles away to get it done and it wasn't cheap. Then the ECU that managed the change over between petrol and LPG packed in which caused no end of hassle.
He gave up this year and bought a diesel corsa.
Needed a seperate service every year just for the LPG system which no one was keen to touch so he had to go miles away to get it done and it wasn't cheap. Then the ECU that managed the change over between petrol and LPG packed in which caused no end of hassle.
He gave up this year and bought a diesel corsa.
Plenty of them here in Thailand, many manufacturers offer LPG or CNG versions, and hundreds of aftermarket conversions.
I used to run a gas car in the UK, and people said they're dangerous and might explode - as though running around with 10 gallons of petrol in a rusty old tin can strapped underneath the car is somehow better.
I used to run a gas car in the UK, and people said they're dangerous and might explode - as though running around with 10 gallons of petrol in a rusty old tin can strapped underneath the car is somehow better.
Shuvi Tupya said:
otolith said:
Father in law has a dual fuel Proton; one of these:
http://www.proton.co.uk/ecologic/
I think the size of tax break LPG gets is hard to justify these days, especially given the stated justification for the rapacious petrol and diesel taxes and how clean all modern cars are. As long as it remains, though, worth exploiting.
And it's even more worth it if you figure out a way to fill your car up from your houses LPG tank, if you have one! That way it only costs about half as much.http://www.proton.co.uk/ecologic/
I think the size of tax break LPG gets is hard to justify these days, especially given the stated justification for the rapacious petrol and diesel taxes and how clean all modern cars are. As long as it remains, though, worth exploiting.
dtmpower said:
Shuvi Tupya said:
otolith said:
Father in law has a dual fuel Proton; one of these:
http://www.proton.co.uk/ecologic/
I think the size of tax break LPG gets is hard to justify these days, especially given the stated justification for the rapacious petrol and diesel taxes and how clean all modern cars are. As long as it remains, though, worth exploiting.
And it's even more worth it if you figure out a way to fill your car up from your houses LPG tank, if you have one! That way it only costs about half as much.http://www.proton.co.uk/ecologic/
I think the size of tax break LPG gets is hard to justify these days, especially given the stated justification for the rapacious petrol and diesel taxes and how clean all modern cars are. As long as it remains, though, worth exploiting.
Shuvi Tupya said:
otolith said:
Father in law has a dual fuel Proton; one of these:
http://www.proton.co.uk/ecologic/
I think the size of tax break LPG gets is hard to justify these days, especially given the stated justification for the rapacious petrol and diesel taxes and how clean all modern cars are. As long as it remains, though, worth exploiting.
And it's even more worth it if you figure out a way to fill your car up from your houses LPG tank, if you have one! That way it only costs about half as much.http://www.proton.co.uk/ecologic/
I think the size of tax break LPG gets is hard to justify these days, especially given the stated justification for the rapacious petrol and diesel taxes and how clean all modern cars are. As long as it remains, though, worth exploiting.
LPG tanks require planning permission so maybe it's the council inspector who shops bottom take offs to HMRC.
Paul H
Compo_Simmonite said:
Shuvi Tupya said:
otolith said:
Father in law has a dual fuel Proton; one of these:
http://www.proton.co.uk/ecologic/
I think the size of tax break LPG gets is hard to justify these days, especially given the stated justification for the rapacious petrol and diesel taxes and how clean all modern cars are. As long as it remains, though, worth exploiting.
And it's even more worth it if you figure out a way to fill your car up from your houses LPG tank, if you have one! That way it only costs about half as much.http://www.proton.co.uk/ecologic/
I think the size of tax break LPG gets is hard to justify these days, especially given the stated justification for the rapacious petrol and diesel taxes and how clean all modern cars are. As long as it remains, though, worth exploiting.
LPG tanks require planning permission so maybe it's the council inspector who shops bottom take offs to HMRC.
Paul H
Compo_Simmonite said:
House uses LPG as gas so the take off from the tank is at the top. Vehicles use it as a liquid so the tank take off needs to be at the bottom. That means you cann't simply use an exisitng house LPG tank to fill up a vehicle tank. It needs a bottom take off and therefore is plain to HMRC that you are using unduty paid LPG which they treat the same as running on red diesel. There was some suggestion that LPG tank installers are obliged to inform government of any installation with bottom take offs but don't know it this is urban myth.
LPG tanks require planning permission so maybe it's the council inspector who shops bottom take offs to HMRC.
Paul H
Well, what if one of my "top" take offs, just happened to have a pipe welded inside of it, that just happened to run down to the bottom of the tank internally........... ;-)LPG tanks require planning permission so maybe it's the council inspector who shops bottom take offs to HMRC.
Paul H
Compo_Simmonite said:
A few years back a mate had a "factory" LPG Vectra SRi. When it stopped working he took it back to main agents who had no idea about how it worked. Seems Vauxhall farmed out the converions to a specialist company and the main agent would have to arrange transportation of his car to them for rectification.
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