How popular is an LPG Conversion in the UK?

How popular is an LPG Conversion in the UK?

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Hedders

24,460 posts

248 months

Saturday 4th September 2010
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ambuletz said:
the old man had his auto E200 converted into LPG. cost £1100 for parts + 1days conversion. Did some calculations, and after 16,000 he'd break even from the cost of the conversion. Does require a service/inspection every 2-3k miles or so.

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I was not aware of that hehe


matt21

4,292 posts

205 months

Saturday 4th September 2010
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ambuletz said:
the old man had his auto E200 converted into LPG. cost £1100 for parts + 1days conversion. Did some calculations, and after 16,000 he'd break even from the cost of the conversion. Does require a service/inspection every 2-3k miles or so. and sometimes has idling issues when you switch over from petorl to LPG. but when driving it, you'd never notice the difference.
you should not have idling issues and mine needs servicing "just" every 12,000 miles.

rudecherub

1,997 posts

167 months

Saturday 4th September 2010
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matt21 said:
ambuletz said:
the old man had his auto E200 converted into LPG. cost £1100 for parts + 1days conversion. Did some calculations, and after 16,000 he'd break even from the cost of the conversion. Does require a service/inspection every 2-3k miles or so. and sometimes has idling issues when you switch over from petorl to LPG. but when driving it, you'd never notice the difference.
you should not have idling issues and mine needs servicing "just" every 12,000 miles.
Goes to show you need to ask around, and be prepared to travel, because the specialist who does the conversion matters, it pays to ask what they've done before and what you can expect in terms of servicing as well as performance.

Biker's Nemesis

38,788 posts

209 months

Saturday 4th September 2010
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I used to fit LPG conversions to Cars, vans and taxi's during the mid 1980's.

Prices for supplying and installing the kits was around the £250 mark with a 60 litre tank.

Older Fords such a Granada's, Cortina's etc needed to have the head removed and hardened valve seats fitted.

I've had a total mind blank as to what the name was of the Italian LPG kits I used to fit!

Dino D

1,953 posts

222 months

Saturday 4th September 2010
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Most people that talk down LPG on the internet seem to have no real experience of it and talk allot of BS about it.

I converted an e46 330i and was great. Major drawback was the small 45l tank I fitted and if I do it again I will get a bigger tank and sacrifice boot space or getter a bigger car like a 5 series.
In my opinion LPG is best done on powerful engines so you get to be smug about your fuels costs and enjoy a decent engine. My 330i was costing the same in fuels as 320d so I felt very smug indeed. The power drop on LPG was not noticeable on an engine like that unless you really looked for it. If you go nd convert a 1,1l with 50bhp then you may well notice the difference!!

As for reliability - most complaints seem to be on old cars or cheap kits. The quality of kit and standard of fitter is important.

LPG is widely available in the UK in built up areas and motorways. The further north you go the cheaper it gets too and seems to be more available on country roads there too.

Come resale time the car sold very quickly at a good price too. Admittedly it was the only 330i for sale with LPG kit and was the sport spec - the other 3 series with LPG for sale at the time were small engined and basic spec only.

I wonder what the future of lpg will be as already some engines (VW 's FSI) cannot be converted at all.
And why do manufacturers not offer LPG prepped cars with a half size petrol tank to free up space for a LPG tank?

rudecherub

1,997 posts

167 months

Sunday 5th September 2010
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Dino D said:
Most people that talk down LPG on the internet seem to have no real experience of it and talk allot of BS about it.
+1

What if any premium did you get for the LPG kit?

In the past heard that it can be half the cost of the conversion back say if less than a couple of years after the fact.

I also agree going for a bigger tank is a good idea, or as big as you can comfortably fit.

Bristol for eg use the space in the rear wings to fit two tanks



The future for LPG is probably still a niche thing, because if too many people switched I guess the price / supply logic would drive up the pump price... and possibly attract tax, that said we are told that the tax is fixed for three years, which means at worst you should expect to get pay-back with even average miles.

The other side is diesel tech marches forward so many looking for savings perhaps going down that more traditional route.

But if you have a larger thirsty petrol LPG still represents a good choice, and the cost of a top end conversion being £2-3k really on even an average new car price isn't a huge percentage of the total. On something like a Cayenne turbo - which I saw advertised on PH with LPG, it's small change.

It's been a while since I did a conversion, and what interests me more at the moment is what if any premium LPG cars are making over the same vehicle sans lpg.


Hedders

24,460 posts

248 months

Sunday 5th September 2010
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Biker's Nemesis said:
I used to fit LPG conversions to Cars, vans and taxi's during the mid 1980's.

Prices for supplying and installing the kits was around the £250 mark with a 60 litre tank.
With inflation that must be about £600 today. Wanna do my Car?


rudecherub

1,997 posts

167 months

Sunday 5th September 2010
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Hedders said:
Biker's Nemesis said:
I used to fit LPG conversions to Cars, vans and taxi's during the mid 1980's.

Prices for supplying and installing the kits was around the £250 mark with a 60 litre tank.
With inflation that must be about £600 today. Wanna do my Car?
Quick Google... http://www.tinleytech.co.uk/lpgprices.html

"Full conversion kit for twin carburettor engines £445+VAT = £522.88" inc "a cylinder tank (up to 90 litres)"

So your £600 isn't completely crazy, although I'd hazard the hourly mechanic rate has gone up more than inflation

Dino D

1,953 posts

222 months

Sunday 5th September 2010
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rudecherub said:
Dino D said:
Most people that talk down LPG on the internet seem to have no real experience of it and talk allot of BS about it.
+1
What if any premium did you get for the LPG kit?
I only had a week to advertise and sell the car and it was early December. I did not mark it up high but got back exactly what I paid for the car after 20k miles use and needing new tyres and due an Inspection 2 service.
So I was happy. I think if I had more time and was a better time of year I could have got back at least half the conversion cost.


Rawhide

964 posts

214 months

Sunday 5th September 2010
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Jem0911 said:
Rawhide said:
Jem0911 said:
Rawhide said:
I run my Porsche Cayenne on LPG. There is no dicernable loss of performance. I had it fitted about one month after purchase.

We liked it so much we converted my wifes Volvo V70 2 weeks after.

No problems on either cars. Just reduced bills.

Finding stations can be a bit of a pain but if you have an iphone 'there's an app for that'. Most motorway service stations have them too which covers most of my long distance driving.
Which model Cayenne do you have and what brand of LPG system?
If you would be so kind?
Cayenne S (4.5 v8 non turbo 2003) It's a BRC twin condenser setup with electronic Multilube. 100l tank
I thank you,
Is the flashlube required or your request?
It was recommended to prevent valve wear.

Jem0911

4,415 posts

202 months

Sunday 5th September 2010
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I don't have flashlube on my car but do put a hundred or so miles a week on petrol on the clock as a precaution.


andrewrob

2,913 posts

191 months

Sunday 5th September 2010
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I've been running a multi point system on a Peugeot 406 V6 for about 3 years now. I bought the car already converted and would definitely buy another converted car or have my next one converted.

Have been to Scotland, Northern Ireland, France, and Italy with it and have had no problems finding filling stations. Flogas depots are worth looking up and setting an account up with your local. I get a 4p discount on LPG with them as I pay by direct debit so only pay 52p a litre.

No noticeable performance difference and costs around the same to run as a 2litre diesel.

ETA As far as servicing goes my book suggests every 20k miles or every year from memory. A service normally involves a leak test and replacement of LPG filters. My last service cost £25.





Edited by andrewrob on Sunday 5th September 14:54

rb5230

11,657 posts

173 months

Sunday 5th September 2010
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most lpg cars i see for sale in the uk are for sale for a long time and seem to be cheaper than the petrol/diesel equivelant.

Silver940

3,961 posts

228 months

Monday 6th September 2010
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Dino D said:
I wonder what the future of lpg will be as already some engines (VW 's FSI) cannot be converted at all.
seen them listed now, they use a system that always inject a small amount of petrol to stop the injectors getting burned.

stephen300o

15,464 posts

229 months

Monday 6th September 2010
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My dad had two Jeeps on gas, two pumps and a blown engine latter... he now has a diesel.

rudecherub

1,997 posts

167 months

Monday 6th September 2010
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stephen300o said:
My dad had two Jeeps on gas, two pumps and a blown engine latter... he now has a diesel.
And water cooled 911's engines fail.

stephen300o

15,464 posts

229 months

Monday 6th September 2010
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rudecherub said:
stephen300o said:
My dad had two Jeeps on gas, two pumps and a blown engine latter... he now has a diesel.
And water cooled 911's engines fail.
Thanks for the advice, he went with a Volvo.

rudecherub

1,997 posts

167 months

Monday 6th September 2010
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stephen300o said:
rudecherub said:
stephen300o said:
My dad had two Jeeps on gas, two pumps and a blown engine latter... he now has a diesel.
And water cooled 911's engines fail.
Thanks for the advice, he went with a Volvo.
lol ok, maybe I was opaque, cars break - the problems your dad had aren't representative.

FTR in the family we've had two Jeeps on gas, both the old and new shape Cherokee and both have been fine thanks.

redtwin

7,518 posts

183 months

Monday 6th September 2010
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stephen300o said:
My dad had two Jeeps on gas, two pumps and a blown engine latter... he now has a diesel.
What sort of pumps?. Fuel, oil, coolant or other?.

andrewrob

2,913 posts

191 months

Monday 6th September 2010
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redtwin said:
stephen300o said:
My dad had two Jeeps on gas, two pumps and a blown engine latter... he now has a diesel.
What sort of pumps?. Fuel, oil, coolant or other?.
Foot?