EVs... no one wants them!
Discussion
DonkeyApple said:
JackJarvis said:
Harry H said:
Can't remember it's name as it's white goods. I mean, who can remember the model designation of their washing machine or tumble dryer.
I find this sort of subtle anti-EV snobbery quite bizarre. I don't remember anyone speaking the same way about diesels, which (in most cases) are equally 'white goods'.
. Just google 'mapped 335D Pistonheads'. EVs are just the next iteration or generally bland, generic wagon that happens to attract the tax aficionado. And they'll always have the Micky taken. After EVs it'll be something else.
braddo said:
Unreal said:
I was talking in the specific context of a European tour, not driving to a single destination and back like a flight to and from a resort.
Well that's strange, because the context of the comments was not about a 'European tour'. It was simply about travelling long distance in an EV. And you couldn't contemplate that someone knows their journey when they're travelling in Europe, as if a car telling you where charge points are ruins a holiday.
I don't know about ruining a holiday - that's a personal view - but a continental road trip/tour/journey that was dictated by charging points could not work for me. That's purely down to the lack of infrastructure for the sort of journey being undertaken. It would change once charging potential is equivalent to refuelling.
Sheepshanks said:
JNW1 said:
Sheepshanks said:
I didn't think to reply to it at the time, but yesterday Auto810graphy mentioned that the one EV they struggle to sell is the i-Pace. I wonder if that's because of the insurance - a mate got one and ended up taking a black box policy as the quotes were so high. I checked with my details and most EVs are £6-800 ish - i-Pace started at £1800.
£1800 to insure?! 
I quite like the look of an iPace as a second-hand buy but annual insurance at that sort of level would be a deal breaker for me - need to run some details through a comparison website or two to see what sort of numbers they throw out!
ETA: Just run my details through Money Supermarket and a 2021 iPace HSE came out at around £675 with a £425 compulsory excess; for comparison a 2022 Polestar 2 (Dual motor model) was £450 with a £225 compulsory excess. Adding a £250 voluntary excess brought the premiums down to £590 and £400 respectively. So the iPace was more expensive to insure than the other EV I picked but not as bad as I was fearing!
M4cruiser said:
Back to Chargers, and I wonder if any new models (from any brand) are now being made with a Chademo?
If not, then it's possible that Chademo will disappear, and any Leaf will become a local-journey only car within 5 years, as the Chademo charge points wear out and don't get replaced. I can't see a reliable national network still being there.
Is there any possibility of a converter lead being produced? Not sure if I'd trust one from AliExpress if it's taking 300 amps into my car ...
chademo to CCS2 adapters are about a grand at the moment. If not, then it's possible that Chademo will disappear, and any Leaf will become a local-journey only car within 5 years, as the Chademo charge points wear out and don't get replaced. I can't see a reliable national network still being there.
Is there any possibility of a converter lead being produced? Not sure if I'd trust one from AliExpress if it's taking 300 amps into my car ...
funnily enough this is the betamax v vhs analogy really. people claim it's ICE v EV, but that doesn't really fit. the charging connector and protocol does, and a lot of what chademo is capable of is superior to CCS, but it will fade out.
JackJarvis said:
Harry H said:
Can't remember it's name as it's white goods. I mean, who can remember the model designation of their washing machine or tumble dryer.
I find this sort of subtle anti-EV snobbery quite bizarre. I don't remember anyone speaking the same way about diesels, which (in most cases) are equally 'white goods'.
I find this just as hard to comprehend, why people spend their hard earned money on an inferior brand just because it has a tiger on the front - very odd.
And people complain that EV owners are ‘virtue signalling!’
Unreal said:
I believe I was responding to a post which referenced a road trip. I can only reiterate what you've quoted me as saying. I can certainly understand someone letting the car dictate the stopping points if the objective is simply get to a destination and back. What would mystify me would be letting the car decide/dictate the stopping points where I wanted the journey to be varied and involve spontaneity.
I don't know about ruining a holiday - that's a personal view - but a continental road trip/tour/journey that was dictated by charging points could not work for me. That's purely down to the lack of infrastructure for the sort of journey being undertaken. It would change once charging potential is equivalent to refuelling.
Fair enough. Each year that passes will make long journeys in EVs easier, so a trip that feels awkward in an EV today will be much less of an issue in 3-5 years, let alone 10. Things have already moved very quickly since 2021.I don't know about ruining a holiday - that's a personal view - but a continental road trip/tour/journey that was dictated by charging points could not work for me. That's purely down to the lack of infrastructure for the sort of journey being undertaken. It would change once charging potential is equivalent to refuelling.
Car enthusiasts will want to hang onto ICE engines for longer than most (me included) but for the average motorist, i.e. the majority of UK motorists, EVs are the answer (over a long transition - no-one is being forced into them in 2024).
740EVTORQUES said:
Anti EV snobbery is often just an extension of brand snobbery (‘The Mrs is far too brand conscious so a Hyundai isn't gonna fly either. All our other household appliances are Miele etc’)
I find this just as hard to comprehend, why people spend their hard earned money on an inferior brand just because it has a tiger on the front - very odd.
And people complain that EV owners are ‘virtue signalling!’
EVs are brilliant for showing that one owns excess land that can just be used for dumping cars on as well as showing one doesn't have relatives out in the weird boonies that require visiting. The problem though is that if you then turn up at a ski resort or by the Med in one everyone is going to think your skint because you can't afford a petrol car for that kind of trip. I find this just as hard to comprehend, why people spend their hard earned money on an inferior brand just because it has a tiger on the front - very odd.
And people complain that EV owners are ‘virtue signalling!’
It's very difficult navigating this new product especially as trends change so quickly these days. You can be half way into a lease on a Tesla that 6 months previously marked one out as a high flying winner only to find you're now seen as some punter reduced to using cheap Chinese goods and can't even afford one with buttons.
It's not easy being green.
braddo said:
Fair enough. Each year that passes will make long journeys in EVs easier, so a trip that feels awkward in an EV today will be much less of an issue in 3-5 years, let alone 10. Things have already moved very quickly since 2021.
Car enthusiasts will want to hang onto ICE engines for longer than most (me included) but for the average motorist, i.e. the majority of UK motorists, EVs are the answer (over a long transition - no-one is being forced into them in 2024).
Absolutely. The convenience gap is just going to keep narrowing each year with more use niches crossing the divide. People just need to wait for the time that's right for them over the next twenty years which seems like more than long enough. Car enthusiasts will want to hang onto ICE engines for longer than most (me included) but for the average motorist, i.e. the majority of UK motorists, EVs are the answer (over a long transition - no-one is being forced into them in 2024).
740EVTORQUES said:
JackJarvis said:
Harry H said:
Can't remember it's name as it's white goods. I mean, who can remember the model designation of their washing machine or tumble dryer.
I find this sort of subtle anti-EV snobbery quite bizarre. I don't remember anyone speaking the same way about diesels, which (in most cases) are equally 'white goods'.
I find this just as hard to comprehend, why people spend their hard earned money on an inferior brand just because it has a tiger on the front - very odd.
And people complain that EV owners are ‘virtue signalling!’
Fun is always petrol
Work horse is always diesel
General appliance duties electric makes sense.
I find a diesel SLK for example just as sad as an electric sports car.
Autocar is reporting that Mercedes is scaling back plans for development of EV platforms and reducing sales projections:
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/report...
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/report...
Mikehig said:
Autocar is reporting that Mercedes is scaling back plans for development of EV platforms and reducing sales projections:
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/report...
Have they tried maybe, oh I dunno, making their EV cars less shttps://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/report...
t? That might help with sales.Mikehig said:
Autocar is reporting that Mercedes is scaling back plans for development of EV platforms and reducing sales projections:
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/report...
.but investing more in battery tech and motors and.... https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/report...
'together with the MB.EA Medium, Mercedes-Benz is said to have firm plans to develop the MMA (for compact EVs), MB.AMG (sports cars) and MB.VAN (commercial vehicle) platforms.'
Looks like this is a good thing thanks for posting.
loudlashadjuster said:
Mikehig said:
Autocar is reporting that Mercedes is scaling back plans for development of EV platforms and reducing sales projections:
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/report...
Have they tried maybe, oh I dunno, making their EV cars less shttps://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/report...
t? That might help with sales.DonkeyApple said:
740EVTORQUES said:
Anti EV snobbery is often just an extension of brand snobbery (‘The Mrs is far too brand conscious so a Hyundai isn't gonna fly either. All our other household appliances are Miele etc’)
I find this just as hard to comprehend, why people spend their hard earned money on an inferior brand just because it has a tiger on the front - very odd.
And people complain that EV owners are ‘virtue signalling!’
EVs are brilliant for showing that one owns excess land that can just be used for dumping cars on as well as showing one doesn't have relatives out in the weird boonies that require visiting. The problem though is that if you then turn up at a ski resort or by the Med in one everyone is going to think your skint because you can't afford a petrol car for that kind of trip. I find this just as hard to comprehend, why people spend their hard earned money on an inferior brand just because it has a tiger on the front - very odd.
And people complain that EV owners are ‘virtue signalling!’
It's very difficult navigating this new product especially as trends change so quickly these days. You can be half way into a lease on a Tesla that 6 months previously marked one out as a high flying winner only to find you're now seen as some punter reduced to using cheap Chinese goods and can't even afford one with buttons.
It's not easy being green.
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