EVs... no one wants them!
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SWoll said:
The levels of grip and traction combined with the immediacy of the drivetrain and ridiculous amounts of shove between 20-70mph made overtaking dawdlers, horse boxes and farm machinery on single carriageway roads both ridiculously safe and easy.
Yebbut, you never overtook a Yaris though. 
SWoll said:
Driven plenty of quick cars on the road and can confirm that nothing I've ever experienced would cover real world ground quicker than the Model 3 Performance we had ack in 2019.
The levels of grip and traction combined with the immediacy of the drivetrain and ridiculous amounts of shove between 20-70mph made overtaking dawdlers, horse boxes and farm machinery on single carriageway roads both ridiculously safe and easy.
I can concur but just this weekend saw a BMW i3 blitz off the line at a set of North London Traffic lights because the two lanes in front was reducing to one lane due to parked cars and a Honda civic was to its right. It was obvious that the driver didn't have full control since it snaked down the road in front of the Honda. I'm hoping the MP3 wasn't like that.The levels of grip and traction combined with the immediacy of the drivetrain and ridiculous amounts of shove between 20-70mph made overtaking dawdlers, horse boxes and farm machinery on single carriageway roads both ridiculously safe and easy.
Power is nothing without control!
Greenmantle said:
SWoll said:
Driven plenty of quick cars on the road and can confirm that nothing I've ever experienced would cover real world ground quicker than the Model 3 Performance we had ack in 2019.
The levels of grip and traction combined with the immediacy of the drivetrain and ridiculous amounts of shove between 20-70mph made overtaking dawdlers, horse boxes and farm machinery on single carriageway roads both ridiculously safe and easy.
I can concur but just this weekend saw a BMW i3 blitz off the line at a set of North London Traffic lights because the two lanes in front was reducing to one lane due to parked cars and a Honda civic was to its right. It was obvious that the driver didn't have full control since it snaked down the road in front of the Honda. I'm hoping the MP3 wasn't like that.The levels of grip and traction combined with the immediacy of the drivetrain and ridiculous amounts of shove between 20-70mph made overtaking dawdlers, horse boxes and farm machinery on single carriageway roads both ridiculously safe and easy.
Power is nothing without control!
I'm not sure why the i3 has the reputation of being a quick car, it really isn't.
greenarrow said:
2 things - 1) Ben Collins' fastest lap (|quoted above) was from a flying start, Chris Harris' a standing start. That counts for a quite a lot on a short lap! 2) Whilst Chris is a very good professional driver, Ben is probably quicker, given his history in motorsport.
Laptimes are largely irrelevant anyway and should be taken with a pinch of salt. Unless done as a group test on the same day with the same variables. There are two GR86 full lap times around the Nürburgring. One is 7:59.1 and the other is 8:27.27 with the only difference being tyres and driver. The faster time is on Yoko a052 whereas the slower time is on pilot sport 4 tyres. That is a massive 28 second difference due to tyres and driver!!!
nickfrog said:
No doubt that on the open road the limiting factors are traffic, line and sight and license/freedom conservation.
You probably don't even need 250ps to lose the latter very easily.
You don't need a lot of power just good handling on public roads. I've had 2 cars around 150bhp and much powerful cars couldn't keep up around the bends. On the straights though they could easily catch me. You probably don't even need 250ps to lose the latter very easily.
SWoll said:
Driven plenty of quick cars on the road and can confirm that nothing I've ever experienced would cover real world ground quicker than the Model 3 Performance we had ack in 2019.
The levels of grip and traction combined with the immediacy of the drivetrain and ridiculous amounts of shove between 20-70mph made overtaking dawdlers, horse boxes and farm machinery on single carriageway roads both ridiculously safe and easy.
I never once took it out on a sunny Sunday morning just for the fun of driving it though, and still have a clean license.
A Fiat Panda could cover "real world ground" quicker than a Tesla. Anything that could muster 300 miles to a tank really. The levels of grip and traction combined with the immediacy of the drivetrain and ridiculous amounts of shove between 20-70mph made overtaking dawdlers, horse boxes and farm machinery on single carriageway roads both ridiculously safe and easy.
I never once took it out on a sunny Sunday morning just for the fun of driving it though, and still have a clean license.
BricktopST205 said:
SWoll said:
Driven plenty of quick cars on the road and can confirm that nothing I've ever experienced would cover real world ground quicker than the Model 3 Performance we had ack in 2019.
The levels of grip and traction combined with the immediacy of the drivetrain and ridiculous amounts of shove between 20-70mph made overtaking dawdlers, horse boxes and farm machinery on single carriageway roads both ridiculously safe and easy.
I never once took it out on a sunny Sunday morning just for the fun of driving it though, and still have a clean license.
A Fiat Panda could cover "real world ground" quicker than a Tesla. Anything that could muster 300 miles to a tank really. The levels of grip and traction combined with the immediacy of the drivetrain and ridiculous amounts of shove between 20-70mph made overtaking dawdlers, horse boxes and farm machinery on single carriageway roads both ridiculously safe and easy.
I never once took it out on a sunny Sunday morning just for the fun of driving it though, and still have a clean license.
yes, race has to include a half hour stop for both cars.
BricktopST205 said:
SWoll said:
Driven plenty of quick cars on the road and can confirm that nothing I've ever experienced would cover real world ground quicker than the Model 3 Performance we had ack in 2019.
The levels of grip and traction combined with the immediacy of the drivetrain and ridiculous amounts of shove between 20-70mph made overtaking dawdlers, horse boxes and farm machinery on single carriageway roads both ridiculously safe and easy.
I never once took it out on a sunny Sunday morning just for the fun of driving it though, and still have a clean license.
A Fiat Panda could cover "real world ground" quicker than a Tesla. Anything that could muster 300 miles to a tank really. The levels of grip and traction combined with the immediacy of the drivetrain and ridiculous amounts of shove between 20-70mph made overtaking dawdlers, horse boxes and farm machinery on single carriageway roads both ridiculously safe and easy.
I never once took it out on a sunny Sunday morning just for the fun of driving it though, and still have a clean license.
BricktopST205 said:
SWoll said:
Driven plenty of quick cars on the road and can confirm that nothing I've ever experienced would cover real world ground quicker than the Model 3 Performance we had ack in 2019.
The levels of grip and traction combined with the immediacy of the drivetrain and ridiculous amounts of shove between 20-70mph made overtaking dawdlers, horse boxes and farm machinery on single carriageway roads both ridiculously safe and easy.
I never once took it out on a sunny Sunday morning just for the fun of driving it though, and still have a clean license.
A Fiat Panda could cover "real world ground" quicker than a Tesla. Anything that could muster 300 miles to a tank really. The levels of grip and traction combined with the immediacy of the drivetrain and ridiculous amounts of shove between 20-70mph made overtaking dawdlers, horse boxes and farm machinery on single carriageway roads both ridiculously safe and easy.
I never once took it out on a sunny Sunday morning just for the fun of driving it though, and still have a clean license.
romft123 said:
BricktopST205 said:
SWoll said:
Driven plenty of quick cars on the road and can confirm that nothing I've ever experienced would cover real world ground quicker than the Model 3 Performance we had ack in 2019.
The levels of grip and traction combined with the immediacy of the drivetrain and ridiculous amounts of shove between 20-70mph made overtaking dawdlers, horse boxes and farm machinery on single carriageway roads both ridiculously safe and easy.
I never once took it out on a sunny Sunday morning just for the fun of driving it though, and still have a clean license.
A Fiat Panda could cover "real world ground" quicker than a Tesla. Anything that could muster 300 miles to a tank really. The levels of grip and traction combined with the immediacy of the drivetrain and ridiculous amounts of shove between 20-70mph made overtaking dawdlers, horse boxes and farm machinery on single carriageway roads both ridiculously safe and easy.
I never once took it out on a sunny Sunday morning just for the fun of driving it though, and still have a clean license.
"The trio stop at the town of Ganja. May decides to prove that in the real world their powerful cars aren't any faster than an everyday car. He brings Abbie to drive an old Renault 9 wreck 50 miles to the "Garden of paradise". The challenge is to overtake Abbie after giving her a 2 mins head start. In the real world, the traffic, lights, and speed limits make all cars go at the same speed. Abbie is first the at finish line, proving May's point."
Very tempted with the new Model 3 Performance. At the moment though, it is £59,990 with an APR of 9.6% over 4 years.
If I stick down the max deposit of £21K to save a bit of interest, that works out at around £564 a month x48.
£564 x 48 plus the 21K deposit = Approx 48K for 4 years of ownership. Tesla Estimates residual value after 4 years is £24K.
Flip side of that is I could grab a bank loan of around 20K at 5%, then add about 20K cash on top and get a very recent 23 plate performance. Of course, it's not the latest and improved model, so can see that being worth about 15K in another 4 years.
Decisions decisions. The PCP optoion on the latest one means I don't need to bother with worrying about future depreciation. Second option obviously saves a good bit, but I'm in the older version.
Anyway, it's where I am just now...
If I stick down the max deposit of £21K to save a bit of interest, that works out at around £564 a month x48.
£564 x 48 plus the 21K deposit = Approx 48K for 4 years of ownership. Tesla Estimates residual value after 4 years is £24K.
Flip side of that is I could grab a bank loan of around 20K at 5%, then add about 20K cash on top and get a very recent 23 plate performance. Of course, it's not the latest and improved model, so can see that being worth about 15K in another 4 years.
Decisions decisions. The PCP optoion on the latest one means I don't need to bother with worrying about future depreciation. Second option obviously saves a good bit, but I'm in the older version.
Anyway, it's where I am just now...
Edited by Scrubs on Wednesday 22 May 14:27
Scrubs said:
Very tempted with the new Model 3 Performance. At the moment though, it is £59,990 with an APR of 9.6% over 4 years.
If I stick down the max deposit of £21K to save a bit of interest, that works out at around £564 a month x48.
£564 x 48 plus the 21K deposit = Approx 48K for 4 years of ownership. Tesla Estimates residual value after 4 years is £24K.
Flip side of that is I could grab a bank loan of around 20K at 5%, then add about 20K cash on top and get a very recent 23 plate performance. Of course, it's not the latest and improved model, so can see that being worth about 15K in another 4 years.
Decisions decisions. The PCP optoion on the latest one means I don't need to bother with worrying about future depreciation. Second option obviously saves a good bit, but I'm in the older version.
Anyway, it's where I am just now...
If you aren't in a rush certainly wait for a quarter end as they usually do deals, whether low rate/0% finance or discounts. More recently it's been 0% or low rate, I suppose that would kick off in a few weeks/mid-June? If I stick down the max deposit of £21K to save a bit of interest, that works out at around £564 a month x48.
£564 x 48 plus the 21K deposit = Approx 48K for 4 years of ownership. Tesla Estimates residual value after 4 years is £24K.
Flip side of that is I could grab a bank loan of around 20K at 5%, then add about 20K cash on top and get a very recent 23 plate performance. Of course, it's not the latest and improved model, so can see that being worth about 15K in another 4 years.
Decisions decisions. The PCP optoion on the latest one means I don't need to bother with worrying about future depreciation. Second option obviously saves a good bit, but I'm in the older version.
Anyway, it's where I am just now...
Edited by Scrubs on Wednesday 22 May 14:27
Dave200 said:
Yes, for those <1% of journeys the Panda would get there sooner. For the 99%+ of journeys I know where I'd rather be, and it's not in an uncomfortable Italian sh*tbox.
That's cool. You can sit in a services stinking of piss for 30 minutes waiting for your car to charge whilst the Panda is already parked on the Riviera enjoying the view and delicious food. The irony of what I posted is actually true. Regardless of what percentage of the journey it makes up.
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