How many races until Schumacher has/does one of his "stunts"
Poll: How many races until Schumacher has/does one of his "stunts"
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AKA8 said:
Flanders. said:
mattikake said:
I really thought he'd be clain in his comeback - nothing to prove and all that. It seems if you're born a cheating 
, you're always a cheating .
Still, nothing more fun than watching an over-rated bad loser, lose.
, you're always a cheating .Still, nothing more fun than watching an over-rated bad loser, lose.
Over-rated
.AKA8 said:
Flanders. said:
mattikake said:
I really thought he'd be clain in his comeback - nothing to prove and all that. It seems if you're born a cheating , you're always a cheating .
Still, nothing more fun than watching an over-rated bad loser, lose.
, you're always a cheating .Still, nothing more fun than watching an over-rated bad loser, lose.
Over-rated
.mchammer89 said:
mattikake said:
I really thought he'd be clain in his comeback - nothing to prove and all that. It seems if you're born a cheating , you're always a cheating .
Still, nothing more fun than watching an over-rated bad loser, lose.
So I guess you were born whinging about Schumacher then., you're always a cheating .Still, nothing more fun than watching an over-rated bad loser, lose.
As a long time Schumacher fan, I can say his driving today was horrible. Pushing Kubica wide after the pit was acceptable and we've seen it from many other drivers with no complaints. Their moment going into corner 3 I think seemed fair enough in my eyes, Schumacher had the racing line and about half a cars length and no reason to let Kubica by. It was at the end where things started to get worse very rapidly. Once his tyres dropped off (why Brawn thought it was a good idea to run for around 30 laps of this circuit on soft tyrres remains a mystery to me) he began to get frustrated and was stopping at nothing to keep cars behind him, very bad sporting conduct.
kers on the motorway who cross from the outside lane to an exit at the very last moment. Just imagine the outcry if Schumacher had pulled the same move.SRT77 said:
The move on Kubica was borderline, but by far the worst move of the race was that of Kubica and his dive for the pits. Just imagine the outcry if Schumacher had pulled the same move.
Not condoning what Kubica did but he could use the same argument as Schui - his tyres were shot which was why he was going in to the pits and couldn't slow down so took avoiding action.Ozone said:
SRT77 said:
The move on Kubica was borderline, but by far the worst move of the race was that of Kubica and his dive for the pits. Just imagine the outcry if Schumacher had pulled the same move.
Not condoning what Kubica did but he could use the same argument as Schui - his tyres were shot which was why he was going in to the pits and couldn't slow down so took avoiding action.E30M3SE said:
Ozone said:
SRT77 said:
The move on Kubica was borderline, but by far the worst move of the race was that of Kubica and his dive for the pits. Just imagine the outcry if Schumacher had pulled the same move.
Not condoning what Kubica did but he could use the same argument as Schui - his tyres were shot which was why he was going in to the pits and couldn't slow down so took avoiding action.
Ozone said:
E30M3SE said:
Ozone said:
SRT77 said:
The move on Kubica was borderline, but by far the worst move of the race was that of Kubica and his dive for the pits. Just imagine the outcry if Schumacher had pulled the same move.
Not condoning what Kubica did but he could use the same argument as Schui - his tyres were shot which was why he was going in to the pits and couldn't slow down so took avoiding action.AKA8 said:
Flanders. said:
mattikake said:
I really thought he'd be clain in his comeback - nothing to prove and all that. It seems if you're born a cheating , you're always a cheating .
Still, nothing more fun than watching an over-rated bad loser, lose.
, you're always a cheating .Still, nothing more fun than watching an over-rated bad loser, lose.
Over-rated
.Schumi is so over-rated apparently it's wrong to under-rate him. Think about that for a moment...
Ozone said:
E30M3SE said:
Ozone said:
SRT77 said:
The move on Kubica was borderline, but by far the worst move of the race was that of Kubica and his dive for the pits. Just imagine the outcry if Schumacher had pulled the same move.
Not condoning what Kubica did but he could use the same argument as Schui - his tyres were shot which was why he was going in to the pits and couldn't slow down so took avoiding action.E30M3SE said:
Ozone said:
E30M3SE said:
Ozone said:
SRT77 said:
The move on Kubica was borderline, but by far the worst move of the race was that of Kubica and his dive for the pits. Just imagine the outcry if Schumacher had pulled the same move.
Not condoning what Kubica did but he could use the same argument as Schui - his tyres were shot which was why he was going in to the pits and couldn't slow down so took avoiding action.
No actually it's probably the best decision that has been made in a long time with regards to monitoring the drivers.What exactly did he do wrong?? He was infront of Kubica so had every right to hold for the corner. With Massa his tyres were shot and was having to break early and Massa yet again this season struggled to overtake the slower car and instead drove in to the back of Schumi.
Had Kubica used his head and not tried to force his way through (he went on to the grass before Michael even turned!) Schumacher would have been on for a podium. Don't forget at that point he had raced his way from 13th to 3rd.
Eitherway it keeps it exciting and was easily the best race this season for action and long may it continue.
Had Kubica used his head and not tried to force his way through (he went on to the grass before Michael even turned!) Schumacher would have been on for a podium. Don't forget at that point he had raced his way from 13th to 3rd.
Eitherway it keeps it exciting and was easily the best race this season for action and long may it continue.
mchammer89 said:
mattikake said:
I really thought he'd be clain in his comeback - nothing to prove and all that. It seems if you're born a cheating , you're always a cheating .
Still, nothing more fun than watching an over-rated bad loser, lose.
So I guess you were born whinging about Schumacher then. , you're always a cheating .Still, nothing more fun than watching an over-rated bad loser, lose.
Aaanyway...
mchammer89 said:
Pushing Kubica wide after the pit was acceptable and we've seen it from many other drivers with no complaints.
Where not accidental, this is unacceptable. I'm struggling to remember a move by another driver whereby they moved off the racing line to push someone onto the grass AFTER they had already got part of their car alongside. Oh no, one such move does come to mind. Schmacker on Hakkinen at Spa 2000...I consider such a move as dirty as fuc. It's not a block. It's not a squeeze. It's deliberately running someone off the road.
mchammer89 said:
Their moment going into corner 3 I think seemed fair enough in my eyes, Schumacher had the racing line and about half a cars length and no reason to let Kubica by.
Accepted [unwritten] sporting conduct is that if an opponent has half a cars length on the inside of a corner, the line [corner] is theirs. It's been that way since ever, in all forms of motor-racing. It's certainly not grounds to run someone off the track, but it apparently happens.mchammer89 said:
It was at the end where things started to get worse very rapidly. Once his tyres dropped off (why Brawn thought it was a good idea to run for around 30 laps of this circuit on soft tyrres remains a mystery to me) he began to get frustrated and was stopping at nothing to keep cars behind him, very bad sporting conduct.
However, I don't really have an issue with the Massa incident. Looks like Massa mis-judged when Schumi was going to brake. Sure Schumi moved across on him by a few inches at the last moment, and that is the only part of contention there is, but he would've already been on the brakes. It was brake then move, not move then brake which is fundamentally different IMO.Btw, this is also not 'brake-testing' someone. Brake-testing is dabbing the brakes at the exit of a corner so the guy following has to brake too when they were expecting to accelerate, and so can't get a perfect run onto the following straight. Kimi and Senna used to do this a lot (according to drivers like Montoya and Mansell)
mattikake said:
I consider such a move as dirty as fuc. It's not a block. It's not a squeeze. It's deliberately running someone off the road.
What utter rubbish!! Have you actually ever entered a race at any level? Any driver worth there salt would have done the same thing. Fact is he squeezed him nothing more nothing less!! It was after all Kubica's choice to keep his foot in and go for a gap that was getting smaller and smaller. What was Schumacher meant to do?? Just let him have the place even though he was the lead car and they were fighting for position?? I remember Senna doing that sort of thing all the time yet he is classed as a great yet a lot of the things Senna did were easily just as bad as anything Schumacher has ever done (excluding parking at Monaco which was inexcusable!). F1 has become too soft and as a result so have the viewers. That sort of thing used to happen all of the time in the 80's/early 90's. Just get a grip everyone and lets see them racing.
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- Yes I have raced. In fact I had something similar done to me at a *very* amateur kart race - I got a good exit, got alongside for the inside of the next corner. The other guy looked across straight at me and drove into the side, trapping me between a barrier and him. He kept going, I stopped dead.
Out of sportsman's principle, after the race, I ripped a new rsehole into his face. He never did it again... I wonder if Schmacker would if he had to face the full autonomous animalistic consequences of his autonomous animalistic actions?
- But comparing amateur racing to the very top level of open-wheeled motor sport would be serious error.
- Senna NEVER ran someone off the track. Not once. He may have squeezed them to the edge, but he never ran them on to the grass. The only F1 driver to have deliberately done this, more than once now, is Schmacker.
- Yes I have raced. In fact I had something similar done to me at a *very* amateur kart race - I got a good exit, got alongside for the inside of the next corner. The other guy looked across straight at me and drove into the side, trapping me between a barrier and him. He kept going, I stopped dead.
Out of sportsman's principle, after the race, I ripped a new rsehole into his face. He never did it again... I wonder if Schmacker would if he had to face the full autonomous animalistic consequences of his autonomous animalistic actions?
- But comparing amateur racing to the very top level of open-wheeled motor sport would be serious error.
- Senna NEVER ran someone off the track. Not once. He may have squeezed them to the edge, but he never ran them on to the grass. The only F1 driver to have deliberately done this, more than once now, is Schmacker.
Edited by mattikake on Monday 14th June 12:05
mattikake said:
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- Yes I have raced. In fact I had something similar done to me at a *very* amateur kart race - I got a good exit, got alongside for the inside of the next corner. The other guy looked across straight at me and drove into the side, trapping me between a barrier and him. He kept going, I stopped dead.
Out of sportsman's principle, after the race, I ripped a new rsehole into his face. He never did it again... I wonder if Schmacker would if he had to face the full autonomous animalistic consequences of his autonomous animalistic actions?
- But comparing amateur racing to the very top level of open-wheeled motor sport would be serious error.
- Senna NEVER ran someone off the track. Not once. He may have squeezed them to the edge, but he never ran them on to the grass. The only F1 driver to have deliberately done this, more than once now, is Schmacker.
Agree - he seemed to be so pissed off that we was doing as he wished. I have actually stopped commenting on him as he is starting to look like a bit of a joke figure.- Yes I have raced. In fact I had something similar done to me at a *very* amateur kart race - I got a good exit, got alongside for the inside of the next corner. The other guy looked across straight at me and drove into the side, trapping me between a barrier and him. He kept going, I stopped dead.
Out of sportsman's principle, after the race, I ripped a new rsehole into his face. He never did it again... I wonder if Schmacker would if he had to face the full autonomous animalistic consequences of his autonomous animalistic actions?
- But comparing amateur racing to the very top level of open-wheeled motor sport would be serious error.
- Senna NEVER ran someone off the track. Not once. He may have squeezed them to the edge, but he never ran them on to the grass. The only F1 driver to have deliberately done this, more than once now, is Schmacker.
Edited by mattikake on Monday 14th June 12:05
Ozone said:
SRT77 said:
The move on Kubica was borderline, but by far the worst move of the race was that of Kubica and his dive for the pits. Just imagine the outcry if Schumacher had pulled the same move.
Not condoning what Kubica did but he could use the same argument as Schui - his tyres were shot which was why he was going in to the pits and couldn't slow down so took avoiding action.When you consider how close these guys race, and he was clearly going to be travelling at a much greater velocity heading straight at the end of that straight, I would have thought it a legitimate move, and quick thinking on his part to avoid losing unnecessary time waiting for a slowing car taking a completely different path to him...
Looked dramatic, but I'd have thought it was more difficult following someone diving into the pits and still picking your braking point, than having someone fly past you at the last minute when you are already slowing and prepared for your corner.
If he'd have crashed into a turning car he would rightly have been chastized for bad judgement, but I think he judged it well and showed quick thinking minimalising his own pit time etc.
mattikake said:
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- Yes I have raced. In fact I had something similar done to me at a *very* amateur kart race - I got a good exit, got alongside for the inside of the next corner. The other guy looked across straight at me and drove into the side, trapping me between a barrier and him. He kept going, I stopped dead.
Thats completely different to what Schumacher did! In your incident he looked at you and drove at you where as Schmacher made the gap smaller and smaller and gave Kubica the option to lift or go on the grass! As you have raced in kart's you should understand that the lead driver has right of way and that transends through all racing formula. The rule is you come across once which Schumacher did so I really don't see why anyone should have an issue with it.- Yes I have raced. In fact I had something similar done to me at a *very* amateur kart race - I got a good exit, got alongside for the inside of the next corner. The other guy looked across straight at me and drove into the side, trapping me between a barrier and him. He kept going, I stopped dead.
mattikake said:
- Senna NEVER ran someone off the track. Not once. He may have squeezed them to the edge, but he never ran them on to the grass. The only F1 driver to have deliberately done this, more than once now, is Schmacker.
Again, utter rubbish! Japan Prost Vs Senna 1990:"The championship once again came to the penultimate round of the season in Japan with Prost trailing his McLaren adversary, Ayrton Senna, by nine points. As in 1989, a controversial collision between the two settled the race. At the first corner Senna, as he later admitted, intentionally drove his race car into Prost's, taking them both out of the race and sealing the title in his favour."
But I'll give you that is an easy one to forget!!
mattikake said:
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- Senna NEVER ran someone off the track. Not once. He may have squeezed them to the edge, but he never ran them on to the grass. The only F1 driver to have deliberately done this, more than once now, is Schmacker.
Matt, I totally agree with your line on this thread; Schummi’s talent for racing was, for me, hugely overshadowed by some of his (quite serious) cheating antics. I have to pull you up on this comment though – I’m a huge Senna fan BTW, but he deliberately took Prost off at the first corner at Suzuka in 1990 after his pole position was moved to the dirty side of the track. - Senna NEVER ran someone off the track. Not once. He may have squeezed them to the edge, but he never ran them on to the grass. The only F1 driver to have deliberately done this, more than once now, is Schmacker.
Edited by mattikake on Monday 14th June 12:05
He furiously said he would be the first into turn one during the pre-race interview, and he said ‘I told you so’ in the post-race interview; he clearly wiped out the side of Prost’s car (which was just ahead at that time). Senna won the championship on that race too.
I don’t condone such racing at all, but at least Senna had some charisma!
StuartMcKay said:
Had Kubica used his head and not tried to force his way through (he went on to the grass before Michael even turned!) Schumacher would have been on for a podium.
Were you watching the same race as me? He'd only made 3rd because other's pit stops. By your assumption Buemi should have won as he was leading at some point.unpc said:
StuartMcKay said:
Had Kubica used his head and not tried to force his way through (he went on to the grass before Michael even turned!) Schumacher would have been on for a podium.
Were you watching the same race as me? He'd only made 3rd because other's pit stops. By your assumption Buemi should have won as he was leading at some point.Gassing Station | General Motorsport | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff