Jaguar F-Pace Non Runner
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Jhonno said:
Even the 7k WBAC has offered would get him something very decent to replace it in the current market.
You need to look at it another way. If someone offered Escy an F-Pace for £7k that needed a bit of work I’m sure he would jump at the chance, so maybe it makes “sense” to keep it. I was in a similar position with a VW Caddy van that had the wiring destroyed by rats. I was struggling to get it running and lost patience and was seriously considering selling it for £500, then I thought this is mad as I would jump at the chance of a Caddy for £500…..
I had a proper look at it this evening. I connected both starters up to a spare battery. The old starter wouldn't spin freely, a clump with a hammer would get it going again so that starter was definitely faulty. In retrospect I shouldn't have fitted it back on and gone with the XE one as it's taken a beating trying to turn over a locked engine.
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So I've confirmed I have a good one and a bad one but the good one wasn't starting the engine either. I connected the good XE starter directly to a spare battery but left the plug for the solenoid connected. It would spin. I then bolted it back into the car and gave the solenoid 12v at the relay. There's 2 fuses and relays for the solenoid, one pushes the pinion out (5 amp), one makes it spin (30 amp). I was trying to spin it without pushing the pinion out so it wasn't trying to turn the engine over. It would spin but slowly started to die off a bit and eventually it wouldn't spin any more.
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To rule out the 12v supply I ran a jump lead from the battery in the boot straight to the starter motor. It didn't help. I was reading the multiple comments on here saying the ground. I'd initially ruled out the ground, when it was broken down and I was waiting for recovery, I had jump leads in the boot and ran one from the block to the chassis and it had done nothing. I attached the ground on the jump leads to the battery ground and the other end to the block near the starter motor. It turned over slowly. I got another jump lead and ran it from the block to the chassis and it started fine.
I took off the main ground strap and cleaned it up and it's all good now. So it was a combination of a faulty starter which has then caused the ground contact to be poor. Easy fix which cost me nothing.
IMG_20240515_184608213_HDRSo I've confirmed I have a good one and a bad one but the good one wasn't starting the engine either. I connected the good XE starter directly to a spare battery but left the plug for the solenoid connected. It would spin. I then bolted it back into the car and gave the solenoid 12v at the relay. There's 2 fuses and relays for the solenoid, one pushes the pinion out (5 amp), one makes it spin (30 amp). I was trying to spin it without pushing the pinion out so it wasn't trying to turn the engine over. It would spin but slowly started to die off a bit and eventually it wouldn't spin any more.
IMG_20240515_191353800_HDRTo rule out the 12v supply I ran a jump lead from the battery in the boot straight to the starter motor. It didn't help. I was reading the multiple comments on here saying the ground. I'd initially ruled out the ground, when it was broken down and I was waiting for recovery, I had jump leads in the boot and ran one from the block to the chassis and it had done nothing. I attached the ground on the jump leads to the battery ground and the other end to the block near the starter motor. It turned over slowly. I got another jump lead and ran it from the block to the chassis and it started fine.
I took off the main ground strap and cleaned it up and it's all good now. So it was a combination of a faulty starter which has then caused the ground contact to be poor. Easy fix which cost me nothing.
There's been so many posts, I just want to clarify a few things.
I'm not emotionally invested in any car. I can run a car for years, love it and when it's time to move it on, if it's worth more in parts than complete, I'll tear it apart even if there's nothing wrong with it. I've always got my eye on the numbers. I put the engine in the Jaguar as it was probably worth 6k as a non runner and hopefully worth a bit over 10k as a good running car. I thought it made the most sense.
There's not a personal challenge between me and the car, if you are willing to throw enough money at something you'll always win. I wanted to get it sorted for a decent amount under it's value. It never sounded right and I ended up upside down due to post covid market adjustments and the engine blowing up has compounded it. There's no pride for me in any of this. There would have been if I'd fixed it cheaply but I've accepted the L long ago.
Regarding my wife and the tears, don't look into it too much. She's a South American so can be a bit mental.
She once cried because when I plated up an Indian takeaway for her I poured the sauce over her rice and apparently that was wrong. It's up to her if she want's to persist with it or get rid. She's going away this weekend and has the choice of the Jaguar or the BMW, if she chooses the BMW it's probably curtains for the Jag. I'm not influencing her in either direction. She's pretty easy going, it's broken down a few times and she's been happy to carry on driving it, I know lots of people wouldn't be. She's never given me a hard time over any of this.
I'm not emotionally invested in any car. I can run a car for years, love it and when it's time to move it on, if it's worth more in parts than complete, I'll tear it apart even if there's nothing wrong with it. I've always got my eye on the numbers. I put the engine in the Jaguar as it was probably worth 6k as a non runner and hopefully worth a bit over 10k as a good running car. I thought it made the most sense.
There's not a personal challenge between me and the car, if you are willing to throw enough money at something you'll always win. I wanted to get it sorted for a decent amount under it's value. It never sounded right and I ended up upside down due to post covid market adjustments and the engine blowing up has compounded it. There's no pride for me in any of this. There would have been if I'd fixed it cheaply but I've accepted the L long ago.
Regarding my wife and the tears, don't look into it too much. She's a South American so can be a bit mental.
She once cried because when I plated up an Indian takeaway for her I poured the sauce over her rice and apparently that was wrong. It's up to her if she want's to persist with it or get rid. She's going away this weekend and has the choice of the Jaguar or the BMW, if she chooses the BMW it's probably curtains for the Jag. I'm not influencing her in either direction. She's pretty easy going, it's broken down a few times and she's been happy to carry on driving it, I know lots of people wouldn't be. She's never given me a hard time over any of this. I’m so pleased that it turned out to be a relatively simple fix if not just the dodgy connection I’d predicted. I really hope you do get the opportunity to run it and find that it does earn your and your wife’s confidence in it. There will be plenty now who still think you should get rid of it. But if you don’t have confidence in it, would you really feel morally okay with lumping it on some unsuspecting person? And if you do have confidence in your work, there’s no reason not to keep it now. Whatever you decide, make sure it’s what you and your wife decided and try not to be unduly influence by what we say on this thread.
Chapeau Escy!
Chapeau Escy!
LunarOne said:
But if you don’t have confidence in it, would you really feel morally okay with lumping it on some unsuspecting person?
It's been said before, it's the same prospect as any other F-Pace of the same age and mileage. As it currently stands it has no known issues and everything works. There's a good chance the next owner gets years of trouble free motoring. There's also a good chance the steering rack fails or the turbo blows up again and takes the engine with it. You roll the dice with any JLR product with 100k under it's belt.
Bravo Escy! Your level headed-ness and persistence is truly admirable, well done on chasing out this issue. I hope it now behaves for you and you get lots of trouble free motoring - you sure as hell deserve it.
I'd also like to take a moment to properly thank you for documenting the woes and fixes here, warts and all - it's been an insightful and educational read.
I'd also like to take a moment to properly thank you for documenting the woes and fixes here, warts and all - it's been an insightful and educational read.
I've followed this from the start and your other projects.
I have huge admiration for your skill, persistence and resilience to what would have broken many others (myself included)
I really hope this thread draws to a close and we just get a 6 monthly update to inform us that it is performing as you would hope.
Well played buddy, you are entrenched in the history of PistonHeads forever and for the right reasons as opposed to some of the weapons grade bellends on here.
I have huge admiration for your skill, persistence and resilience to what would have broken many others (myself included)
I really hope this thread draws to a close and we just get a 6 monthly update to inform us that it is performing as you would hope.
Well played buddy, you are entrenched in the history of PistonHeads forever and for the right reasons as opposed to some of the weapons grade bellends on here.
Edited by The Dictator on Thursday 16th May 16:49
My head still says get shot of it now, but my heart now says keep going. This is truly one of the most epic threads on PH - the struggle of man against fate, common sense and the machine!
I really didn't think it would be possible to top your Boxster threads but here we are. I'm in awe mate - really pleased you got a 'win' this time.
I really didn't think it would be possible to top your Boxster threads but here we are. I'm in awe mate - really pleased you got a 'win' this time.
Escy said:
LunarOne said:
But if you don’t have confidence in it, would you really feel morally okay with lumping it on some unsuspecting person?
It's been said before, it's the same prospect as any other F-Pace of the same age and mileage. As it currently stands it has no known issues and everything works. There's a good chance the next owner gets years of trouble free motoring. There's also a good chance the steering rack fails or the turbo blows up again and takes the engine with it. You roll the dice with any JLR product with 100k under it's belt.
Dear PH mods - can we reserve a plinth for this car at the Bicester PH26 August event in the Readers Cars section?
I am thinking of either a display with the car surrounded by the broken blocks, pistons and other casualties this far, or perhaps a live stage where Escy can do a solo engine swap during the day?
Please?
I am thinking of either a display with the car surrounded by the broken blocks, pistons and other casualties this far, or perhaps a live stage where Escy can do a solo engine swap during the day?
Please?
Escy said:
LunarOne said:
But if you don’t have confidence in it, would you really feel morally okay with lumping it on some unsuspecting person?
It's been said before, it's the same prospect as any other F-Pace of the same age and mileage. As it currently stands it has no known issues and everything works. Spinakerr said:
Dear PH mods - can we reserve a plinth for this car at the Bicester PH26 August event in the Readers Cars section?
I am thinking of either a display with the car surrounded by the broken blocks, pistons and other casualties this far, or perhaps a live stage where Escy can do a solo engine swap during the day?
Please?
Great idea!I am thinking of either a display with the car surrounded by the broken blocks, pistons and other casualties this far, or perhaps a live stage where Escy can do a solo engine swap during the day?
Please?
... As long as the plinth has easy access for a tow vehicle. Just in case.
remedy said:
Spinakerr said:
Dear PH mods - can we reserve a plinth for this car at the Bicester PH26 August event in the Readers Cars section?
I am thinking of either a display with the car surrounded by the broken blocks, pistons and other casualties this far, or perhaps a live stage where Escy can do a solo engine swap during the day?
Please?
Great idea!I am thinking of either a display with the car surrounded by the broken blocks, pistons and other casualties this far, or perhaps a live stage where Escy can do a solo engine swap during the day?
Please?
... As long as the plinth has easy access for a tow vehicle. Just in case.
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