Can Aston Martin Survive in the Electric Vehicle Era?
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Peter McKean said:
There is a stark two-tier EV experience at the moment - Tesla and everyone else.
On the rare occasion I have tried to use non-Tesla charging infrastructure on forecourts or service stations, it's a remarkably different experience and often quite frustrating, so I avoid it like the plague. Living with the Tesla as everyday transport has been a breeze - and I have a 160-mile round trip commute.
I would worry a bit about longer trips in the event that I was running a different EV.
I thought that up until October this year when I travelled up to Scotland from Surrey.On the rare occasion I have tried to use non-Tesla charging infrastructure on forecourts or service stations, it's a remarkably different experience and often quite frustrating, so I avoid it like the plague. Living with the Tesla as everyday transport has been a breeze - and I have a 160-mile round trip commute.
I would worry a bit about longer trips in the event that I was running a different EV.
All the places I stopped at had multiple free chargers, all 150 kWh plus and a new Starbucks, which is something most superchargers don't have.
The network is catching up quickly, which I thought would take years, TBH, but here we are.
dbs2000 said:
Indeed. I've generally found EV folk treat each other pretty well. Our office has about 20 chargers and I'd say maybe 70 EVs in the carpark. We have a whatsapp group and everyone makes it work. I did chuckle the other week when someone had parked on someone elses charge cable and they couldn't leave the bay. "Who owns this car" 
With UK motorways, I'm yet to encounter such conditions with charging (5 years with the EV now), but I'm sure that time will come. Christmas sees us going from Utrecht to my parents in Wales, using the Newcastle Ferry. Previously we've stopped at the Trafford Centre when coming in via Hull but I've no idea if we'll get that far given its Newcastle. I'm also relaxed enough to not worry. So far we've only encountered one failed charger in France, it was 37 degrees and the sun was baking it so it knocked off after 5 mins, not too much of a shock, I just moved the car to one in the shade. The UK is still someway behind other countries. Fastned are starting to plug some of the gaps: https://fastnedcharging.com/en/locations, I believe they have several more tenders as well. Their chargers do "just work"
Regarding the 800hp AMG, I wish manufactures would just make 500bhp and cars 400kg lighter. Everything is so bloated these days,
Fwiw Scotch Corner Services (if you go that way) has a dozen or more charging points that are fairly new so I expect some will be rapid chargers.With UK motorways, I'm yet to encounter such conditions with charging (5 years with the EV now), but I'm sure that time will come. Christmas sees us going from Utrecht to my parents in Wales, using the Newcastle Ferry. Previously we've stopped at the Trafford Centre when coming in via Hull but I've no idea if we'll get that far given its Newcastle. I'm also relaxed enough to not worry. So far we've only encountered one failed charger in France, it was 37 degrees and the sun was baking it so it knocked off after 5 mins, not too much of a shock, I just moved the car to one in the shade. The UK is still someway behind other countries. Fastned are starting to plug some of the gaps: https://fastnedcharging.com/en/locations, I believe they have several more tenders as well. Their chargers do "just work"
Regarding the 800hp AMG, I wish manufactures would just make 500bhp and cars 400kg lighter. Everything is so bloated these days,
Edited by dbs2000 on Wednesday 13th December 09:46
Peter McKean said:
There is a stark two-tier EV experience at the moment - Tesla and everyone else.
My Model Y has a range of about 329 miles, is a good deal more efficient than most electric cars (loses less range in the winter) and has access to the excellent supercharger network. Living near Oxford, there are 16 dedicated Tesla chargers just a few miles away at Oxford services, which provide about 100 miles of range in 10 minutes.
On the rare occasion I have tried to use non-Tesla charging infrastructure on forecourts or service stations, it's a remarkably different experience and often quite frustrating, so I avoid it like the plague. Living with the Tesla as everyday transport has been a breeze - and I have a 160-mile round trip commute.
I would worry a bit about longer trips in the event that I was running a different EV.
I’m sure that’s the case for a lot of people but (I mentioned a few pages back) we drove to the middle of France in August, approx 1200km and decided to avoid using the Tesla network. The peage chargers are so good and generally in better service locations (with playgrounds for restless kids). It was a nice experience, granted they’ll get busier with EV adoption.My Model Y has a range of about 329 miles, is a good deal more efficient than most electric cars (loses less range in the winter) and has access to the excellent supercharger network. Living near Oxford, there are 16 dedicated Tesla chargers just a few miles away at Oxford services, which provide about 100 miles of range in 10 minutes.
On the rare occasion I have tried to use non-Tesla charging infrastructure on forecourts or service stations, it's a remarkably different experience and often quite frustrating, so I avoid it like the plague. Living with the Tesla as everyday transport has been a breeze - and I have a 160-mile round trip commute.
I would worry a bit about longer trips in the event that I was running a different EV.
The Tesla chargers are superb though, just knowing there are spaces available before you rock up is a game changer. Hopefully the new charger smart protocols will see that rolled out everywhere.
Edited by dbs2000 on Wednesday 13th December 19:24
Peter McKean said:
My Model Y has a range of about 329 miles, is a good deal more efficient than most electric cars (loses less range in the winter)
That's odd, chemical reactions go slower the lower the temperature so I'd expect the opposite.TheRainMaker said:
All the places I stopped at had multiple free chargers
I read that as 'free chargers', which seemed very generous... suspect you mean 'available chargers'...!Simpo,
To clarify, recent Teslas (such as mine) lose less charge in the winter compared to most other electric cars, due to high efficiency features such as the integrated heat pump. Winter range is still less than summer range.
Most legacy car manufacturers haven’t managed to get a handle on efficiency. My Model Y has averaged 4 miles to the kilowatt over 40,000 miles of driving, including summer and winter miles.
Not bad for an almost two ton car… though it’s not as satisfying to drive as the DB11.
To clarify, recent Teslas (such as mine) lose less charge in the winter compared to most other electric cars, due to high efficiency features such as the integrated heat pump. Winter range is still less than summer range.
Most legacy car manufacturers haven’t managed to get a handle on efficiency. My Model Y has averaged 4 miles to the kilowatt over 40,000 miles of driving, including summer and winter miles.
Not bad for an almost two ton car… though it’s not as satisfying to drive as the DB11.
It's certainly true that a Model Y is not as fun to drive as an average Aston Martin. It's super-convenient, but a little dull, despite the rapid acceleration.
I wouldn't rule out the possibility of a really engaging electric vehicle, though. I'm intrigued by what the likes of Caterham is designing at the moment. The best-handling and most 'fun' car I ever owned was an S1 Lotus Elise and I can imagine an electric Elise would be a lovely thing, as it really wasn't about the engine.
I wouldn't rule out the possibility of a really engaging electric vehicle, though. I'm intrigued by what the likes of Caterham is designing at the moment. The best-handling and most 'fun' car I ever owned was an S1 Lotus Elise and I can imagine an electric Elise would be a lovely thing, as it really wasn't about the engine.
Edited by Peter McKean on Thursday 14th December 18:47
Simpo Two said:
TheRainMaker said:
All the places I stopped at had multiple free chargers
I read that as 'free chargers', which seemed very generous... suspect you mean 'available chargers'...!TheRainMaker said:
... when we were in Scotland, the charging was actually totally free ...
TOTALLY FREE, there is an interesting phrase.
In Scotland;
- Attending university is free (with conditions).
- Prescriptions are free.
- Dental inspections are free and for some patients all treatment is completely free.
- Eye tests are free.
- Public charging for battery cars is free.
This might all be paid for by the Magic Money Tree, or does someone down the line bear the cost ?
Jon39 said:
TOTALLY FREE, there is an interesting phrase.
In Scotland;
- Attending university is free (with conditions).
- Prescriptions are free.
- Dental inspections are free and for some patients all treatment is completely free.
- Eye tests are free.
- Public charging for battery cars is free.
This might all be paid for by the Magic Money Tree, or does someone down the line bear the cost ?
In 2021-22 there were 31 million income tax payers in England, so on average each one of them has sent £1,366 to chilly Jocko-land just so they can hate us more. I wonder why we bother. Wish Scotland would hurry up and be independent.
LTP said:
Jon39 said:
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or does someone down the line bear the cost?
Go look up the Barnett Formula and the expenditure per head.or does someone down the line bear the cost?
Simpo Two said:
England: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/record-41-billi...
In 2021-22 there were 31 million income tax payers in England, so on average each one of them has sent £1,366 to chilly Jocko-land just so they can hate us more. I wonder why we bother. Wish Scotland would hurry up and be independent.
In 2021-22 there were 31 million income tax payers in England, so on average each one of them has sent £1,366 to chilly Jocko-land just so they can hate us more. I wonder why we bother. Wish Scotland would hurry up and be independent.
Thank you gentlemen.
Hopefully you know that I ask these rhetorical questions, trying to keep the conversation going.
It is my topic and I don't mind off topic posts, particularly funny ones. There used to be a poster called 'avinalarf'. A very funny man, who I think has retired, so might now be too busy to post here.
(I did what I thought was a funny post on the EV forum today, but they either ignored me, or probably more likely, thought I was being serious.)
Yes, I hear that the new Scotland leader-in-chief, think his name might be Yisof Useless, plans to balance the books after independence by growing the Scottish economy. Without UK money, the populous will probably have to work 24 hours each day and 7 days each week.
There are plans to turn the Harris Tweed jacket into an ultra luxury, high performance fashion brand. It will contribute Scottish£ billions in tax revenue.
Also, the Glasgow ship building industry will be restarted, once they have worked out why it closed down.
The flat cap industry will become a new high tech start-up industry, because the rivitters building ships must have appropriate head gear.
There is a quandary about Aberdeen and the oil industry. Not green you see, and the Green Party are all that is keeping the SNP in power at present.
Anyway, Mr. Useless (who now thinks Scotland is already independent, so went on a peace keeping mission overseas, without asking London) says everything will be fine and the population will all become rich capitalists.
Some of them though are not so sure and after the (Scotland only) top tax rate was increased, they scarpered over the border into England.
Edited by Jon39 on Friday 15th December 16:14
Jon39 said:
Yes, I hear that the new Scotland leader-in-chief, think his name might be Yisof Useless, plans to balance the books after independence by growing the Scottish economy.
I suspect Scotland's cunning plan is to become independent AND still get money from England. And knowing us, we'd probably be stupid enough to give it to them... after all, we have far too much cash just piling up uselessly everywhere and the streets are paved with gold.I don't know if this website is even viewable across the pond as they say. But it's a truly frightening future ahead.
https://rumble.com/v421ikw-the-shocking-real-purpo...
https://rumble.com/v421ikw-the-shocking-real-purpo...
AstonV said:
I don't know if this website is even viewable across the pond as they say. But it's a truly frightening future ahead.
https://rumble.com/v421ikw-the-shocking-real-purpo...
We all know some of this is coming sadly. Everything is monitored, people love putting their lives and kids all over FB and Instagram (I refuse to have the apps on my phone, take a look at the privacy tab on the appstore), loyalty cards track your shopping habits to build profiles, phones track your movements etchttps://rumble.com/v421ikw-the-shocking-real-purpo...
I wonder what is stopping plebs getting together and starting our own insurance company
AstonV said:
I don't know if this website is even viewable across the pond as they say. But it's a truly frightening future ahead.
https://rumble.com/v421ikw-the-shocking-real-purpo...
Errr....Rumble.....InfoWars...backs slowly away....I think I'll wait for a more rational and authoritative source than the home of Alex Jones plus some unnamed "insiders". https://rumble.com/v421ikw-the-shocking-real-purpo...
"Sandy Hook II - The Insurance False Flag and Crisis Actors", anyone? I suppose Alex needs the money (and clicks) to pay the fines.
LTP said:
Errr....Rumble.....InfoWars...backs slowly away....I think I'll wait for a more rational and authoritative source than the home of Alex Jones plus some unnamed "insiders".
"Sandy Hook II - The Insurance False Flag and Crisis Actors", anyone? I suppose Alex needs the money (and clicks) to pay the fines.
"Sandy Hook II - The Insurance False Flag and Crisis Actors", anyone? I suppose Alex needs the money (and clicks) to pay the fines.
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