My own Bagheera
Discussion
When I was growing up my father ran a garage and so he had a pretty wide selection of interesting cars over the years... and a Montego.
As you can see he also had a 1973 Aston Martin V8 and this car is the basis for many of my fondest childhood memories. I even remember the dog in the picture was brought home as a puppy in a washing up bowl balanced on the passenger seat.
I can't recall the name of the dog but I do remember that the Aston was named Bagheera (Baggy to us) after the panther in the Jungle Book.
Anyway, I'm now finally in a position to continue the family tradition and acquire an Aston for myself. My first thought was to get another 1970s V8 but manuals seem to be rare and increasingly expensive. I also wonder how usable it would be.
I'm now looking at Gaydon era cars with my first thought being a Virage/DB9/DBS. I love the looks, the V12, and the 2+2 arrangement could be useful as my kids are still small. However they won't fit into the garage unless I either demolish the bench or banish the BMW out onto the drive.
So that brings me to the Vantage and the question of whether to get a V8S or a V12. I would plan to use the car every day for the commute and the school-run, not sure how much of a factor that'd be in the decision but there is an element of being stuck in traffic to consider. My current thinking goes...
V8V - likely to be newer, lower servicing costs, has the option of Sportshift (any good in traffic?) perhaps more manageable for every day use.
V12V - it's a V12, but perhaps 'too much' as a daily driver, perhaps a pain in traffic, would have to be an older car for the same budget.
As I write this I'm struggling to find reasons not to choose the V12. Is this a silly idea? I assume that I can ditch the Corsas for something with better wet-weather ability and I'd get a set of winter wheels/tyres too.
My questions are:
- Any experiences of using either a V8S or V12V as an everyday, all weather car?
- I plan to buy from a dealer, I don't need finance but would taking it strengthen my bargaining position?
- I assume that a dealer would (subject to negotiation) be able to offer a longer warranty?
- What I'd really like is to take my dad on a factory tour. Is there any way a dealer could offer that as part of the deal on a used car?
As you can see he also had a 1973 Aston Martin V8 and this car is the basis for many of my fondest childhood memories. I even remember the dog in the picture was brought home as a puppy in a washing up bowl balanced on the passenger seat.
I can't recall the name of the dog but I do remember that the Aston was named Bagheera (Baggy to us) after the panther in the Jungle Book.
Anyway, I'm now finally in a position to continue the family tradition and acquire an Aston for myself. My first thought was to get another 1970s V8 but manuals seem to be rare and increasingly expensive. I also wonder how usable it would be.
I'm now looking at Gaydon era cars with my first thought being a Virage/DB9/DBS. I love the looks, the V12, and the 2+2 arrangement could be useful as my kids are still small. However they won't fit into the garage unless I either demolish the bench or banish the BMW out onto the drive.
So that brings me to the Vantage and the question of whether to get a V8S or a V12. I would plan to use the car every day for the commute and the school-run, not sure how much of a factor that'd be in the decision but there is an element of being stuck in traffic to consider. My current thinking goes...
V8V - likely to be newer, lower servicing costs, has the option of Sportshift (any good in traffic?) perhaps more manageable for every day use.
V12V - it's a V12, but perhaps 'too much' as a daily driver, perhaps a pain in traffic, would have to be an older car for the same budget.
As I write this I'm struggling to find reasons not to choose the V12. Is this a silly idea? I assume that I can ditch the Corsas for something with better wet-weather ability and I'd get a set of winter wheels/tyres too.
My questions are:
- Any experiences of using either a V8S or V12V as an everyday, all weather car?
- I plan to buy from a dealer, I don't need finance but would taking it strengthen my bargaining position?
- I assume that a dealer would (subject to negotiation) be able to offer a longer warranty?
- What I'd really like is to take my dad on a factory tour. Is there any way a dealer could offer that as part of the deal on a used car?
theaxe said:
My questions are:
- Any experiences of using either a V8S or V12V as an everyday, all weather car?
- I plan to buy from a dealer, I don't need finance but would taking it strengthen my bargaining position?
- I assume that a dealer would (subject to negotiation) be able to offer a longer warranty?
- What I'd really like is to take my dad on a factory tour. Is there any way a dealer could offer that as part of the deal on a used car?
How I love that V8 Vantage! - Any experiences of using either a V8S or V12V as an everyday, all weather car?
- I plan to buy from a dealer, I don't need finance but would taking it strengthen my bargaining position?
- I assume that a dealer would (subject to negotiation) be able to offer a longer warranty?
- What I'd really like is to take my dad on a factory tour. Is there any way a dealer could offer that as part of the deal on a used car?
Just my 2p having acquired a V12:
Strangely the V12 can be more economical than the V8's (av 18 v 15 :-) )- very late ones even better! Engine is a thing of beauty and see no distinction in useability - its even warmed up by the end of the drive!!!
You will spend more if you finance - even if the dealer drops a few quid off the price due to his kickback here. I'd suggest a simple 'money where your mouth is' cash deal should get you the best price - this will work better with some dealers than others as some may not even 'deal' for a cash no px buyer.
Max AM 'Car Plan' warranty is 2 years; 3d party warranties can be 3yrs (some add even wear and tear cover) but REALLY WATCH the small print on ALL offerings and the exact 'version' of the policy.
Good luck!
theaxe said:
My questions are:
- Any experiences of using either a V8S or V12V as an everyday, all weather car?
- I plan to buy from a dealer, I don't need finance but would taking it strengthen my bargaining position?
- I assume that a dealer would (subject to negotiation) be able to offer a longer warranty?
- What I'd really like is to take my dad on a factory tour. Is there any way a dealer could offer that as part of the deal on a used car?
Many use their cars as daily drivers and no need to worry. You can get normal tyres for the V12 and many do. The ASM gearbox is not a slushbox (ie not a torque converter) and is probably worse than a manual in slow stop start traffic. I promise you, you won't use the ASM in Drive/Auto mode, you'll use the paddles and do all the changes yourself. You can adapt to it but its not ideal. I've not driven a manual Aston but it might be easier in traffic. - Any experiences of using either a V8S or V12V as an everyday, all weather car?
- I plan to buy from a dealer, I don't need finance but would taking it strengthen my bargaining position?
- I assume that a dealer would (subject to negotiation) be able to offer a longer warranty?
- What I'd really like is to take my dad on a factory tour. Is there any way a dealer could offer that as part of the deal on a used car?
I think dealers prefer finance as they make on that but nobody will turn you away with cash. If you're buying used, dealers tend not to negotiate much but of course, try.
You can negotiate a longer warranty. Someone has just done this on here, but get it in writing as they tend be very forgetful! At the end of the day, its all money - you asking for an extra year/£1500 of warranty will need to be factored in somewhere.
Factory tour is possible. No big issue in getting one not that I've bothered as I've spent too long in Gaydon trying to work with JLR.
Get one... you know it makes sense! A V12V will probably cost more and/or be a fair bit older but is likely to hold its value better. A V8VS is no bad car... I have one.. but the suspension is pretty firm.
And enjoy the buying experience, buy the "book" (there is a sticky on the forum) as it tells you more than you can imagine about model year changes, the differences between cars etc.
I would find a suitable dealer, let them know you are serious, then arrange to test drive a V8, a V8S and a V12 in that order.
It's what I did about two years ago. I went for the V8S (nearly new) as it was a big step up from the V8 and I found the V12 to be a 'bit much', plus most of all, I couldn't get on with the manual gearbox, at 5ft 9" the stick is just in the wrong position for me.
I had nine months with the V8S. I live abroad and return to the UK fairly frequently for a week or so at a time and drove the car extensively during those weeks. No issues whatsoever in driving in all weathers on A, B, motorways and in towns.
Re the SSII gearbox. All I can say is try it. You'll quickly know if you like it or not.
Just before Christmas I made the mistake of test driving a V12S. Honestly, don't do it unless you think you may want to buy one. I was fortunate in that everything lined up for me and I did.
The V8S is a brilliant car, but the V12S is just so much more of everything.
But back to your questions. I think they've been answered well above. Depending on budget, the smart money is probably on a V12 manual.
Have fun. They're all great.
It's what I did about two years ago. I went for the V8S (nearly new) as it was a big step up from the V8 and I found the V12 to be a 'bit much', plus most of all, I couldn't get on with the manual gearbox, at 5ft 9" the stick is just in the wrong position for me.
I had nine months with the V8S. I live abroad and return to the UK fairly frequently for a week or so at a time and drove the car extensively during those weeks. No issues whatsoever in driving in all weathers on A, B, motorways and in towns.
Re the SSII gearbox. All I can say is try it. You'll quickly know if you like it or not.
Just before Christmas I made the mistake of test driving a V12S. Honestly, don't do it unless you think you may want to buy one. I was fortunate in that everything lined up for me and I did.
The V8S is a brilliant car, but the V12S is just so much more of everything.
But back to your questions. I think they've been answered well above. Depending on budget, the smart money is probably on a V12 manual.
Have fun. They're all great.
JACK6284 said:
If you have other ways of spending your cash do not drive the V12V!
Alex,Welcome to the forum. You may know Jack's comment but if not, it is a saying here that if anyone drives a V12 Vantage, they will buy it.
'perhaps a pain in traffic' - the Gaydon cars are remarkable for being both docile and flexible when driven slowly, and also firebreathing rockets when desired.
Factory visits are arranged by dealers, so I am sure that would be possible for you. It is a fantastic place to see. On YouTube there are some films showing inside both Newport Parnell and Gaydon factories. Quite a contrast - no banging hammers these days.
theaxe said:
I'm now looking at Gaydon era cars with my first thought being a Virage/DB9/DBS. I love the looks, the V12, and the 2+2 arrangement could be useful as my kids are still small. However they won't fit into the garage unless I either demolish the bench or banish the BMW out onto the drive.
What a fantastic story, love it. Yes absolutely demolish the bench and put the BMW out on the drive and get a DB9 or even better a DBS. Why would you leave a BMW in the garage while the Aston is outside, I think you have your priorities wrong there! Whatever you choose make sure your kids have the memories you so dearly hold for Astons..they are such special cars.
theaxe said:
I'm now looking at Gaydon era cars with my first thought being a Virage/DB9/DBS. I love the looks, the V12, and the 2+2 arrangement could be useful as my kids are still small. However they won't fit into the garage unless I either demolish the bench or banish the BMW out onto the drive.
If the BMW is an M1 then ok, fair enough. Anything else, get it shifted and buy the car you really want...If you want a reason to not buy a V12 then get the V8S. Do NOT ever test or get into a V12. I bought my first V8 3 years ago and did the same, the V12 itch got me 18 months later and I've not looked back.
Having taken my V8 in, done the deal and driven off in the V12 the most noticeable difference was the suspension being a good bit firmer and the extra engine noise. Driven gently both are very similar.
Having taken my V8 in, done the deal and driven off in the V12 the most noticeable difference was the suspension being a good bit firmer and the extra engine noise. Driven gently both are very similar.
I have to say I keep worrying about the legs of your kids growing and thus having to take the Montego whilst the 'impractical' Aston and poor dog languish at home!
I present the 5 door family hatchback Rapide solution - its bigger and may be worth a sniff too. Hope this helps ;-)
I present the 5 door family hatchback Rapide solution - its bigger and may be worth a sniff too. Hope this helps ;-)
Edited by Ken Figenus on Friday 23 January 17:10
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