I’m done with vintage cars - not

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dhutch

14,390 posts

198 months

Tuesday 20th October 2020
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The mini was definitely a thing, but in many ways it was the Maxi that was ground breaking, leading into the modern hatchback

I'm following the 'British Leyland' thread as well as this one and literally thought I had opened the wrong one!


crankedup

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25,764 posts

244 months

Tuesday 20th October 2020
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^^^^
Yup, a bit of thread slippage for sure, to which I made a contribution.
Back to my post vintage, it’s painted with cellulose that is still holding up well after almost thirty years following its restoration. I’m a bit puzzled as to what waxes and polishes to use on it tbh. Did ask in the detailing section but no replies. Any suggestions please.

Jimmy Recard

17,540 posts

180 months

Tuesday 20th October 2020
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That's a wonderful thing. I have no experience of vintage cars, which I regret immensely

Scrump

22,050 posts

159 months

Tuesday 20th October 2020
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crankedup said:
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Yup, a bit of thread slippage for sure, to which I made a contribution.
Back to my post vintage, it’s painted with cellulose that is still holding up well after almost thirty years following its restoration. I’m a bit puzzled as to what waxes and polishes to use on it tbh. Did ask in the detailing section but no replies. Any suggestions please.
The latest Tyrells Classic Workshop YouTube video (on the Daimler double six) mentions cellulose paint and the issue with polishing it, although he talks mainly about the effect on metallic paints.
I would have thought the less abrasive the better.

dhutch

14,390 posts

198 months

Tuesday 20th October 2020
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crankedup said:
Yup, a bit of thread slippage for sure, to which I made a contribution.
Can't beat it, although I must say I would rather have a 16/6 than a Maxi.

Spent the morning looking over the various cars listed for sale currently. Certainly and itch I would enjoy scratching.

Presumably like kitcars and other classics on low mileage policies, vintage cars are if anything inexpensive to insure? Is there anything else to look out for in the game?. I'm really quite mechanically and electrically savy, but have more experience in steam engines then cars older then my various 'future classics'. All steel body, if the internet is right? Rather than wood frame of a 1920s car.

Daniel

RichB

51,595 posts

285 months

Tuesday 20th October 2020
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crankedup said:
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Thank you.
1930s I find to be the link from vintage to modern classics (1950 - 1970) is my definition. My Austin has improvements over vintage such as synchromesh on 3rd and 4th gear. The conventional pedal box layout clutch on left / brake in middle. vintage use a central throttle pedal and brake on the right, you only mix them up once laugh Although not all vintage used that layout, it was a time of exploring what worked best after all. Also many vintage used a gear change on the right of driver, post vintage is conventional layout.
Better electrics in post vintage and better cooling systems, a time when major improvements might appear year after year.
Driving experience is a matter of finding some countryside roads and leaving the hurry up I’m late
mentality behind. No rush and enjoy the drive along with all of the character that we learn to accept,
live with and ultimately enjoy. At that moment your hooked wink
In the end it’s a prism into the past, if you drive on those country roads. In normal hurly burly heavy traffic the experience can be stressful. I live in Suffolk and blessed with a huge choice of lovely roads suited to vintage and classic cars.
That's very nice and I am surprised how modern it looks compared to my 1933 Lagonda which is just one year older. My car still has the vintage features you mention: centre throttle pedal, right hand side gear change with a crash box, Ki-gass pump instead of a choke, magneto ignition, advance retard on the steering wheel etc. The difference is very noticable.


AMGSee55

637 posts

103 months

Tuesday 20th October 2020
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ash73 said:
Lovely car!

You need a couple of mates in pinstripe suits standing on the running boards with drum magazine machine guns for the full mobster look smile
With you on that one! I looked at the first picture and immediately assumed it was American - I guess it's the relatively large size and the whitewalls which contribute to that - fabulous thing though thumbup

Keep it stiff

1,766 posts

174 months

Tuesday 20th October 2020
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dhutch said:
The mini was definitely a thing, but in many ways it was the Maxi that was ground breaking, leading into the modern hatchback

I'm following the 'British Leyland' thread as well as this one and literally thought I had opened the wrong one!
I think it was the Renault 16 that was the groundbreaking hatchback beating the Maxi to the market by several years'.

Keep it stiff

1,766 posts

174 months

Tuesday 20th October 2020
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On the subject of pre-war cars, for a grand or two I'm very tempted at this:

https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1277903

aeropilot

34,654 posts

228 months

Tuesday 20th October 2020
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RichB said:
hat's very nice and I am surprised how modern it looks compared to my 1933 Lagonda which is just one year older. My car still has the vintage features you mention: centre throttle pedal, right hand side gear change with a crash box, Ki-gass pump instead of a choke, magneto ignition, advance retard on the steering wheel etc. The difference is very noticable.

That's wonderful yum

crankedup

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25,764 posts

244 months

Tuesday 20th October 2020
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Scrump said:
crankedup said:
^^^^
Yup, a bit of thread slippage for sure, to which I made a contribution.
Back to my post vintage, it’s painted with cellulose that is still holding up well after almost thirty years following its restoration. I’m a bit puzzled as to what waxes and polishes to use on it tbh. Did ask in the detailing section but no replies. Any suggestions please.
The latest Tyrells Classic Workshop YouTube video (on the Daimler double six) mentions cellulose paint and the issue with polishing it, although he talks mainly about the effect on metallic paints.
I would have thought the less abrasive the better.
Thanks Scrump I will be having a look at that. Of course the cellulose is very soft and every time it’s polished layer is removed, hence my looking for the appropriate polish and wax. I used to use Auto Glym on my previous cars but dislike the white residue that seems to build up in every tiny nook and cranny!

crankedup

Original Poster:

25,764 posts

244 months

Tuesday 20th October 2020
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dhutch said:
crankedup said:
Yup, a bit of thread slippage for sure, to which I made a contribution.
Can't beat it, although I must say I would rather have a 16/6 than a Maxi.

Spent the morning looking over the various cars listed for sale currently. Certainly and itch I would enjoy scratching.

Presumably like kitcars and other classics on low mileage policies, vintage cars are if anything inexpensive to insure? Is there anything else to look out for in the game?. I'm really quite mechanically and electrically savy, but have more experience in steam engines then cars older then my various 'future classics'. All steel body, if the internet is right? Rather than wood frame of a 1920s car.

Daniel
Certainly the lower mid range cars that I have enjoyed are inexpensive to insure, my Austin is fully insured for the year for £100 on a 1000 mile policy. Zero road tax of course, bonus. The Austin is steel bodied but still has timber elements to it, but certainly no longer timber frame. Maintenance is a doddle or so I’m told laugh I can do the easy stuff oil changing, plugs, air filter clean, and generally fiddle with it. Brakes are simple linings on steel shoes within the brake hubs. If you know your steam you will have no problem with a vintage or post vintage car. I am a huge steam traction fan, I’ve even driven one once, well I played at steering it!! great fun and memorable.
As virtually all body and chassis is fully on display and not hidden from view it’s easy to spot any rust or rot. Austin and Morris are the easiest to run as the clubs provide great spares back up. Side valve engines are lot less powerful than OHV as you would expect.
I would suggest attend a few rallies and chat with the owners on site about their cars.

crankedup

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25,764 posts

244 months

Tuesday 20th October 2020
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RichB said:
crankedup said:
^^^^
Thank you.
1930s I find to be the link from vintage to modern classics (1950 - 1970) is my definition. My Austin has improvements over vintage such as synchromesh on 3rd and 4th gear. The conventional pedal box layout clutch on left / brake in middle. vintage use a central throttle pedal and brake on the right, you only mix them up once laugh Although not all vintage used that layout, it was a time of exploring what worked best after all. Also many vintage used a gear change on the right of driver, post vintage is conventional layout.
Better electrics in post vintage and better cooling systems, a time when major improvements might appear year after year.
Driving experience is a matter of finding some countryside roads and leaving the hurry up I’m late
mentality behind. No rush and enjoy the drive along with all of the character that we learn to accept,
live with and ultimately enjoy. At that moment your hooked wink
In the end it’s a prism into the past, if you drive on those country roads. In normal hurly burly heavy traffic the experience can be stressful. I live in Suffolk and blessed with a huge choice of lovely roads suited to vintage and classic cars.
That's very nice and I am surprised how modern it looks compared to my 1933 Lagonda which is just one year older. My car still has the vintage features you mention: centre throttle pedal, right hand side gear change with a crash box, Ki-gass pump instead of a choke, magneto ignition, advance retard on the steering wheel etc. The difference is very noticable.

Beautiful car fabulous engineering and build quality, one day I will become a custodian of a Lagonda, I hope. I am not familiar with the Ki gass pump??

crankedup

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25,764 posts

244 months

Tuesday 20th October 2020
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Keep it stiff said:
On the subject of pre-war cars, for a grand or two I'm very tempted at this:

https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1277903
You will have no trouble finding any of the parts needed, but that is going to be a lot of parts! Heck of a good project.

dhutch

14,390 posts

198 months

Tuesday 20th October 2020
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crankedup said:
You will have no trouble finding any of the parts needed, but that is going to be a lot of parts! Heck of a good project.
Surely just wants some fresh fuel, and a bit of plywood for the floor! Anything more is to be over restored!

aeropilot

34,654 posts

228 months

Tuesday 20th October 2020
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crankedup said:
I am not familiar with the Ki gass pump??
Knob on a rod in a plunger pump the dash, and you pull/push it to prime the fuel.....as used in a Spitfire and Hurricane etc to start a Merlin smile

RichB

51,595 posts

285 months

Tuesday 20th October 2020
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aeropilot said:
crankedup said:
I am not familiar with the Ki gass pump??
Knob on a rod in a plunger pump the dash, and you pull/push it to prime the fuel.....as used in a Spitfire and Hurricane etc to start a Merlin smile
Correct, Merlins and some tractors! The pump squirts fuel into the inlet manifold prior to starting. This is because there is no choke, the SU carbs on my car are from before the carbs had pull down jets so there is no way to manually richen the mixture. There is the Ki-Gass and a hand throttle on the dash seen below the brass pump handle.


crankedup

Original Poster:

25,764 posts

244 months

Tuesday 20th October 2020
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RichB said:
aeropilot said:
crankedup said:
I am not familiar with the Ki gass pump??
Knob on a rod in a plunger pump the dash, and you pull/push it to prime the fuel.....as used in a Spitfire and Hurricane etc to start a Merlin smile
Correct, Merlins and some tractors! The pump squirts fuel into the inlet manifold prior to starting. This is because there is no choke, the SU carbs on my car are from before the carbs had pull down jets so there is no way to manually richen the mixture. There is the Ki-Gass and a hand throttle on the dash seen below the brass pump handle.

Every day is a school day for me smile
That interior is simply sublime, what a cracking place to spend time.

davepen

1,460 posts

271 months

Tuesday 20th October 2020
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crankedup said:
The conventional pedal box layout clutch on left / brake in middle.
I think that was an Austin thing, even during the 20's. Sometimes called an American layout at the time.

Actually it looks very American with the white wall tyres.

Dad had a 1934 16/6 but it was a Tickford conversion, the roof wound down on a handle. I remember the gear lever having a very long throw, 2nd was down somewhere near the (ns) door handle, had to warn the passenger! Took it up to VSCC Presteigne one year when my 12/50 (Alvis) didn't want to start on a damp morning (magneto). So a nice sedate drive through rural Herefordshire.

anonymous-user

55 months

Tuesday 20th October 2020
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Completely agree. My 1930 RR 20/25, a proper smile machine. H-pattern on the right, no syncro, regular pedals, idle/timing/mixture all on the wheel hub. Car of choice when I need to unwind.