Met Police Jaguar S Types

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aeropilot

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228 months

Monday 12th December 2022
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SS427 Camaro said:
P5BNij said:
Yes, I watched that one recently, at the start of it Rees is riding in a dark coloured Series 1 XJ6. I think the same S-Type also appears in another episode.
Lack of a leaper makes me think that this S Type was a genuine Police car, that maybe was lent to the Producers ?
Pretty sure its just a film prop car, as it also appears here in the 1972 thriller film Frenzy starring Barry Foster.



BHE is also a Sheffield registration.

It might have also appeared, painted black in an episode of Randall & Hopkirk, as this number plate is very supiciously close to BHE 884G?


TarquinMX5

1,968 posts

81 months

Tuesday 13th December 2022
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SS427 Camaro said:
P5BNij said:
Yes, I watched that one recently, at the start of it Rees is riding in a dark coloured Series 1 XJ6. I think the same S-Type also appears in another episode.
MVC 204G looks to be the 4.2 XJ-6. No trace of it on DVLA sadly, but not surprising as they were utter rot boxes.
Can you remember the other Protectors episode ?
Lack of a leaper makes me think that this S Type was a genuine Police car, that maybe was lent to the Producers ?
Would love to know where the locations with that S Type were shot !


Edited by SS427 Camaro on Monday 12th December 17:15
MVC 204G is an interesting one in that MVC 203G, which was red, was one of the original six rhd works cars, registered early August 1968 (ie before the official launch) so, presumably, 204 was also one of those six.

P5BNij

15,875 posts

107 months

Tuesday 13th December 2022
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SS427 Camaro said:
P5BNij said:
Yes, I watched that one recently, at the start of it Rees is riding in a dark coloured Series 1 XJ6. I think the same S-Type also appears in another episode.
MVC 204G looks to be the 4.2 XJ-6. No trace of it on DVLA sadly, but not surprising as they were utter rot boxes.
Can you remember the other Protectors episode ?
Lack of a leaper makes me think that this S Type was a genuine Police car, that maybe was lent to the Producers ?
Would love to know where the locations with that S Type were shot !


Edited by SS427 Camaro on Monday 12th December 17:15
Sorry, can't remember the name of that other episode. The two shots you posted were filmed at Courtfield Mews, SW7, which is where Harry Rule's flat is wink

P5BNij

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107 months

Tuesday 13th December 2022
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A few more S-Type shots...





And more from 'Robbery'...
















aeropilot

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228 months

Tuesday 13th December 2022
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P5BNij said:
A few more S-Type shots...



I think 486F is the only ex-Met TrafPol S-Type to have survived?

TarquinMX5

1,968 posts

81 months

Tuesday 13th December 2022
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NVB255E, albeit now recorded as being blue, is still shown as Sorn, last log book Aug 2022.

nismo48

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208 months

Tuesday 13th December 2022
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Jim-mbo4v said:
I thought I would share the story of the met police Jaguar s types my dad and I own. My dad has always been into jags since he was a kid. When he joined the met police in 1979 he always wanted to find an ex met s type. But assumed there wouldn’t be any left. He has owned many jags over the years. Mainly mk2s. He saw WGK 448G at a show about 20 years ago and was told by the then owner that it was the only survivor.

About 15 years ago he found one for sale in a classic car magazine, he agreed to go and view the car (I think it was £1500 at the time but needed restoration). Anyway as he was about the leave he got a phone call saying the owner had swapped the car for an e type bonnet.

I was about 15 at the time, we started researching the cars and finding what limited information we could. Then that was it really. About 18 months ago we started looking into the cars again, found out some more information and then stopped. We were an able to find any cars for sale.

When COVID kicked off last March, I got put on furlough. I had nothing better to do so decided to start looking into the cars again. By this time my dad had long given up on finding a car. But still had a keen interest in them so together we set about finding more info.

This time I had a lot more luck. I was finding more period photos. Searching dvla databases etc. Finding cars we didn’t know still existed. I stumbled across a forum thread of a chap who had an ex met car (KYU 362D) who also informed us he knew that KYU 364D still existed and was sat in a garage untouched for near 30 years. We have since seen both of these cars and met both owners. Neither cars were for sale though.

We managed to get in contact with all but one of the owners of 6 cars which are restored to service condition. They were very helpful and we gained more information on the cars.

We were still yet to find one for sale though.

Then my dad was contacted by a chap who was not far from San Fransisco. Who believed he had an ex met s type. We were sent photos and it was definitely an ex met car. Still with the original number plate on the car.

The met police s types were registered

KYU ***D
NVB ***E
SUU ***F
WGK ***G

This car was NVB 269E. We made an offer on the car which was declined.

In the meantime we spoke to a chap called Brian who owned a fully restored, beautiful black area car SUU 441F. This had a bare shell restoration over the course of 17 years. And was built back to exact police spec, how it was when it left the factory.

We went to look at this car purely to see what a totally original one was like. A lot of money and years had gone into this car and it wasn’t for sale.

In the meantime we had an email from California saying that if our offer for NVB 269E still stood then we could have it. Neither of us had imported a car before so I rang a friend who has and got the details of a shipping agent. I stored everything out with the agent, made all the payments and the car was collected. Put onto the ship and on its way to us.

In the meantime we wanted to go and have another look at the restored area car SUU 441F. My dad had some conversations with him, about wether he would sell. We didn’t think he would. We went over there and amazingly we managed to strike a deal for the car.

Now after 40 years of waiting we have two cars, this was never the plan. But seeing as NVB was already on ship it was too late.

NVB turned up from America fine. It wasn’t on the dvla system so we spoke to the JEC who helped us with registration. We put together the best case possible proving this was the original reg number. To us it was imperative it retained the original number. We got the logbook back fine. And it shows on the dvla system now as untaxed since 1998. Which is when it must have gone to America. We still don’t know why it went over there or who took it over.

So anyway here are some pictures of the cars

NVB 269E

We now know that this was never a marked car and was used for driver training at Hendon. It is a manual non overdrive










SUU 441F










As the plan was never to have two of these cars. We will probably be selling NVB in the spring. Hopefully someone restores her to her former glory. Being a driving school car it’s the rarest of the lot.

Any information or pictures people have on these cars would be great to hear/see. We know a lot about these cars but we don’t know everything.
Great story smile

Carsie

925 posts

205 months

Wednesday 14th December 2022
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SS427 Camaro said:
P5BNij said:
Yes, I watched that one recently, at the start of it Rees is riding in a dark coloured Series 1 XJ6. I think the same S-Type also appears in another episode.
MVC 204G looks to be the 4.2 XJ-6. No trace of it on DVLA sadly, but not surprising as they were utter rot boxes.
Can you remember the other Protectors episode ?
Lack of a leaper makes me think that this S Type was a genuine Police car, that maybe was lent to the Producers ?
Would love to know where the locations with that S Type were shot !


Edited by SS427 Camaro on Monday 12th December 17:15
Good spot on the S1 XJ - it's a very early prototype -see the sister car below.






SS427 Camaro

6,504 posts

171 months

Wednesday 14th December 2022
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Carsie said:
Good spot on the S1 XJ - it's a very early prototype -see the sister car below.





Wow !! Be fascinating to know more about these 2 x XJs, how on earth did the blue one end up being used on a TV show ??

P5BNij

15,875 posts

107 months

Wednesday 14th December 2022
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Jim-mbo4v said:
I thought I would share the story of the met police Jaguar s types my dad and I own. My dad has always been into jags since he was a kid. When he joined the met police in 1979 he always wanted to find an ex met s type. But assumed there wouldn’t be any left. He has owned many jags over the years. Mainly mk2s. He saw WGK 448G at a show about 20 years ago and was told by the then owner that it was the only survivor.

About 15 years ago he found one for sale in a classic car magazine, he agreed to go and view the car (I think it was £1500 at the time but needed restoration). Anyway as he was about the leave he got a phone call saying the owner had swapped the car for an e type bonnet.

I was about 15 at the time, we started researching the cars and finding what limited information we could. Then that was it really. About 18 months ago we started looking into the cars again, found out some more information and then stopped. We were an able to find any cars for sale.

When COVID kicked off last March, I got put on furlough. I had nothing better to do so decided to start looking into the cars again. By this time my dad had long given up on finding a car. But still had a keen interest in them so together we set about finding more info.

This time I had a lot more luck. I was finding more period photos. Searching dvla databases etc. Finding cars we didn’t know still existed. I stumbled across a forum thread of a chap who had an ex met car (KYU 362D) who also informed us he knew that KYU 364D still existed and was sat in a garage untouched for near 30 years. We have since seen both of these cars and met both owners. Neither cars were for sale though.

We managed to get in contact with all but one of the owners of 6 cars which are restored to service condition. They were very helpful and we gained more information on the cars.

We were still yet to find one for sale though.

Then my dad was contacted by a chap who was not far from San Fransisco. Who believed he had an ex met s type. We were sent photos and it was definitely an ex met car. Still with the original number plate on the car.

The met police s types were registered

KYU ***D
NVB ***E
SUU ***F
WGK ***G

This car was NVB 269E. We made an offer on the car which was declined.

In the meantime we spoke to a chap called Brian who owned a fully restored, beautiful black area car SUU 441F. This had a bare shell restoration over the course of 17 years. And was built back to exact police spec, how it was when it left the factory.

We went to look at this car purely to see what a totally original one was like. A lot of money and years had gone into this car and it wasn’t for sale.

In the meantime we had an email from California saying that if our offer for NVB 269E still stood then we could have it. Neither of us had imported a car before so I rang a friend who has and got the details of a shipping agent. I stored everything out with the agent, made all the payments and the car was collected. Put onto the ship and on its way to us.

In the meantime we wanted to go and have another look at the restored area car SUU 441F. My dad had some conversations with him, about wether he would sell. We didn’t think he would. We went over there and amazingly we managed to strike a deal for the car.

Now after 40 years of waiting we have two cars, this was never the plan. But seeing as NVB was already on ship it was too late.

NVB turned up from America fine. It wasn’t on the dvla system so we spoke to the JEC who helped us with registration. We put together the best case possible proving this was the original reg number. To us it was imperative it retained the original number. We got the logbook back fine. And it shows on the dvla system now as untaxed since 1998. Which is when it must have gone to America. We still don’t know why it went over there or who took it over.

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Apologies for snipping your post but I've just realised that the lovely golden sand Mk2 in your photo is the one I went to view several years ago at Fender Broad's place in Bath, I wish I'd bought it now...




aeropilot

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228 months

Wednesday 14th December 2022
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One of my favourite colour combo's for a Mk.2, Golden Sand with London Tan interior smile


Minsterjagman

33 posts

21 months

Thursday 15th December 2022
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NMM519 now belongs to me (again). I first bought the car in 1986 as an everyday user, sold it about two years later, then bought it back seventeen years after that from the same chap I had sold it to. After about eight more years, I traded it against a 3.4 Mark 1 Jaguar, from Fender Broad, regretted it, bought it back from Fender Broad, and it has resided back in my garage for nearly the last nine years!
I am glad that you did not buy it! From being a 2.4, it is now a 3.8, with 2-inch carbs. Since buying it back, it now has a 3.54 Powerlock diff, all synchromesh gearbox, and a beefed-up overdrive. It does about 2300 rpm at 70 mph. I have deliberately done the car as a bit of a Coombs replica, having wanted the real thing, but not having the means to buy one.
Getting back to the main subject of the thread, SUU486F is not the only surviving Met traffic car. In addition, I have been able to identify the following ex-Traffic cars as still extant;
NVB255E.
SUU480F.
WGK490G.
WGK495G.
WGK496G.
WGK498G.
Of these surviving cars, only SUU486F and WGK495G are in service condition. All the others have, to a greater or lesser degree, lost some or all of their Met features, in common with surviving Area Cars, viz engine capacity and/or colour and trim changes and so on. The most extreme seems to be WGK490G. This car is now green, with a white interior, chrome wire wheels, and a dash board from a Jaguar 420. This car was offered for sale on E-bay in 2017. I contacted the vendor at the time and told him of the car's history, of which he had no clue.
To qualify as "Surviving", my definition is that it must have had some registration or licencing activity within the last ten years. Most others still on the DVLA database have been dormant for much longer than this. Having said that, some long-dormant cars do resurface. WGK472G, a black Area Car had not been active since March 1981, but had a new V5C issued on 20/10/2020, so must still be out there somewhere?
Most of the cars used in films are just normal S-Types dressed up to look the part, or genuine cars on false plates put on by the production companies. CGW777B, BLC685B and BHE884C/G are all typical examples of this practice.
Again, there are exceptions to this. SUU475F (white traffic car) and KYU388D, (black Area car), appeared in films and on TV when they had been recently retired, along with NUW988E, (fleet number 619) which starred in a ghastly low-budget horror entitled "Angels of Terror". This was a badly-dubbed Anglo-German effort set in London, and made in 1970. Apart from the odd flash of boob, the high point of the whole film for me was the S-Type!
I hope that the above is of some interest.




Edited by Minsterjagman on Thursday 15th December 16:12

aeropilot

34,803 posts

228 months

Thursday 15th December 2022
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I'd love to know if any of the surviving Met Area cars were former X Division area cars.


P5BNij

15,875 posts

107 months

Thursday 15th December 2022
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Minsterjagman said:
NMM519 now belongs to me (again). I first bought the car in 1986 as an everyday user, sold it about two years later, then bought it back seventeen years after that from the same chap I had sold it to. After about eight more years, I traded it against a 3.4 Mark 1 Jaguar, from Fender Broad, regretted it, bought it back from Fender Broad, and it has resided back in my garage for nearly the last nine years!
I am glad that you did not buy it! From being a 2.4, it is now a 3.8, with 2-inch carbs. Since buying it back, it now has a 3.54 Powerlock diff, all synchromesh gearbox, and a beefed-up overdrive. It does about 2300 rpm at 70 mph. I have deliberately done the car as a bit of a Coombs replica, having wanted the real thing, but not having the means to buy one.
Getting back to the main subject of the thread, SUU486F is not the only surviving Met traffic car. In addition, I have been able to identify the following ex-Traffic cars as still extant;
NVB255E.
SUU480F.
WGK490G.
WGK495G.
WGK496G.
WGK498G.
Of these surviving cars, only SUU486F and WGK495G are in service condition. All the others have, to a greater or lesser degree, lost some or all of their Met features, in common with surviving Area Cars, viz engine capacity and/or colour changes and so on. The most extreme seems to be WGK490G. This car is now green, with a white interior, chrome wire wheels, and a dash board from a Jaguar 420. This car was offered for sale on E-bay in 2017. I contacted the vendor at the time and told him of the car's history, of which he had no clue.
To qualify as "Surviving", my definition is that it must have had some registration or licencing activity within the last ten years. Most others still on the DVLA database have been dormant for much longer than this. Having said that, some long-dormant cars do resurface. WGK472G, a black Area Car had not been active since March 1981, but had a new V5C issued on 20/10/2020, so must still be out there somewhere?
Most of the cars used in films are just normal S-Types dressed up to look the part, or genuine cars on false plates put on by the production companies. CGW777B, BLC685B and BHE884C/G are all typical examples of this practice.
Again, there are exceptions to this. SUU475F (white traffic car) and KYU388D, (black Area car), appeared in films and on TV when they had been recently retired, along with NUW988E, (fleet number 619) which starred in a ghastly low-budget horror entitled "Angels of Terror". This was a badly-dubbed Anglo-German effort set in London, and made in 1970. Apart from the odd flash of boob, the high point of the whole film for me was the S-Type!
I hope that the above is of some interest.


I went to see 'NMM 519' about ten years ago, so that all fits. I think if I had bought it I'd have more than likely upgraded along similar lines to you. I was between Rover P5Bs and P6s at the time, and felt a very strong urge to scratch the Jag itch, something I need to do again very soon.

Something I noticed while watching a couple of episodes of 'Strange Report' the other day, the various S-Types were often driven with some relish on screen, usually four up with the tail dragging along the ground, an image that is definitely amplified by the shape of the rear wheel arch, making the tyre almost disappear up into the bodywork! A white one was used in a couple of episodes and a black one in others...








SS427 Camaro

6,504 posts

171 months

Thursday 15th December 2022
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P5BNij said:
I went to see 'NMM 519' about ten years ago, so that all fits. I think if I had bought it I'd have more than likely upgraded along similar lines to you. I was between Rover P5Bs and P6s at the time, and felt a very strong urge to scratch the Jag itch, something I need to do again very soon.

Something I noticed while watching a couple of episodes of 'Strange Report' the other day, the various S-Types were often driven with some relish on screen, usually four up with the tail dragging along the ground, an image that is definitely amplified by the shape of the rear wheel arch, making the tyre almost disappear up into the bodywork! A white one was used in a couple of episodes and a black one in others...







Is that the Late Great Guy Dolman ? A simply superb and much underrated actor R.I.P.

Minsterjagman

33 posts

21 months

Thursday 15th December 2022
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Well, that looks like good old BHE884C again. BHE is a Barnsley issue number, (not very Met) which was only ever put out with a C K and V suffix, so BHE884G is certainly a false plate. I cannot say whether this was one car or two, I suspect two, as the cost of a black to white re-spray done to convincing standards would be prohibitive. Cheaper to use another white car and dress that one up. Looking at the car/cars in the white form, it is far from an accurate depiction of a genuine Met Traffic car. Look at the "bullet" wing mirrors and the oversize "Police" boot-mounted sign. It would have had red letters on a blue ground by this time, and been mounted far closer to the number plate cover. The only other forces to use S-types were Sussex Constabulary (two cars) and one Scottish force (Fife?), who only ever used a similar number.
I also spotted that both the cars appear to have have rim embellishers on the wheels and red interior trim. No cars EVER had these fitted in service. Rim embellishers were considered just another unnecessary expense, while all Met cars had dark blue "Ambla" trim, plastic or vinyl in English. One genuine preserved Area Car regularly appears with rim embellishers, Ernie Jupp's WGK448G, but this would never had them in service.

Edited by Minsterjagman on Thursday 15th December 14:52


Edited by Minsterjagman on Thursday 15th December 14:56


Edited by Minsterjagman on Thursday 15th December 16:00

P5BNij

15,875 posts

107 months

Thursday 15th December 2022
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SS427 Camaro said:
P5BNij said:
I went to see 'NMM 519' about ten years ago, so that all fits. I think if I had bought it I'd have more than likely upgraded along similar lines to you. I was between Rover P5Bs and P6s at the time, and felt a very strong urge to scratch the Jag itch, something I need to do again very soon.

Something I noticed while watching a couple of episodes of 'Strange Report' the other day, the various S-Types were often driven with some relish on screen, usually four up with the tail dragging along the ground, an image that is definitely amplified by the shape of the rear wheel arch, making the tyre almost disappear up into the bodywork! A white one was used in a couple of episodes and a black one in others...







Is that the Late Great Guy Dolman ? A simply superb and much underrated actor R.I.P.
Yes it is, he was superb in 'The Ipcress File' wink



uk66fastback

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272 months

Thursday 15th December 2022
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‘’I was counting on you being an insubordinate bd, Palmer.’’

aeropilot

34,803 posts

228 months

Thursday 15th December 2022
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Minsterjagman said:
while all Met cars had dark blue "Ambla" trim, plastic or vinyl in English
Which was no good for carrying Police dogs around in......

My Dad's first dog broke off the bottom half of one of her canine teeth when she slid right across the rear seat and smacked the front of her muzzle on the rear door window winder of Xray 3 during a car chase down the A40 one night.... we forever after referred to that broken tooth as her Jag Tooth.


LanceRS

2,175 posts

138 months

Thursday 15th December 2022
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aeropilot said:
Minsterjagman said:
while all Met cars had dark blue "Ambla" trim, plastic or vinyl in English
Which was no good for carrying Police dogs around in......

My Dad's first dog broke off the bottom half of one of her canine teeth when she slid right across the rear seat and smacked the front of her muzzle on the rear door window winder of Xray 3 during a car chase down the A40 one night.... we forever after referred to that broken tooth as her Jag Tooth.
Where was X3 based in those days?