England cricket 2023 & 2024
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Challo said:
TheAngryDog said:
I don't know what was wrong with the way it was before with selectors. Seemed to be doing ok until Giles decided it wasn't how he wanted to proceed.
They had Ed Smith as head selector who apparently was good at spotting talent, but couldn't manager relationships with the players. It looks like Justin Langer is going to be the next coach now.
t show that was the Australian team after sandpaper gate, I expect he would do similar with us. TheAngryDog said:
I don't know what was wrong with the way it was before with selectors. Seemed to be doing ok until Giles decided it wasn't how he wanted to proceed.
The logic Giles presented was that Eddie Jones and Gareth Southgate have sole call on the players they pick. Deeply flawed argument when you look at how many days of the year England are playing or preparing to play cricket vs Rugby or Football. As others have said Ed Smith was apparently quite unpopular but I don’t really understand that dynamic….his job is to pick and scout players not to be popular. Players like Strauss and Trescothick were almost plucked out of obscurity in county cricket….the latter had a better average in test cricket than he did for Somerset.
TheAngryDog said:
I don't know what was wrong with the way it was before with selectors. Seemed to be doing ok until Giles decided it wasn't how he wanted to proceed.
The logic Giles presented was that Eddie Jones and Gareth Southgate have sole call on the players they pick. Deeply flawed argument when you look at how many days of the year England are playing or preparing to play cricket vs Rugby or Football. As others have said Ed Smith was apparently quite unpopular but I don’t really understand that dynamic….his job is to pick and scout players not to be popular. Players like Strauss and Trescothick were almost plucked out of obscurity in county cricket….the latter had a better average in test cricket than he did for Somerset.
Rumour ahead of the confirmed squad for the West Indies is that both Anderson and Broad are dropped.
Batsmen can't buy a run between them so leave out your 2 leading wicket takers - including Anderson who is a menace in the West Indies with the Dukes seems a poor decision.
I get that they need to start phasing away from the two of them, but I don't think now is the time.
Batsmen can't buy a run between them so leave out your 2 leading wicket takers - including Anderson who is a menace in the West Indies with the Dukes seems a poor decision.
I get that they need to start phasing away from the two of them, but I don't think now is the time.
Nyphur said:
Rumour ahead of the confirmed squad for the West Indies is that both Anderson and Broad are dropped.
Batsmen can't buy a run between them so leave out your 2 leading wicket takers - including Anderson who is a menace in the West Indies with the Dukes seems a poor decision.
I get that they need to start phasing away from the two of them, but I don't think now is the time.
No doubt they have thought that with West Indies being the 8th ranked test team that they can go with a back-up set of bowlers. Batsmen can't buy a run between them so leave out your 2 leading wicket takers - including Anderson who is a menace in the West Indies with the Dukes seems a poor decision.
I get that they need to start phasing away from the two of them, but I don't think now is the time.
We have series in the Summer against NZ and SA so no doubt they are wanting them to play the vast majority of games then.
Quite possibly. Though England haven't won a series in the West Indies since 2003 - the only series they have won out there since the 1960's.
I get that the teams are vastly different but the West Indies always turn it up when England tour there. This seems a poor decision for me.
As for planning for the summer, we've seen how well the policy of always planning for the next game went all through the last 2 years. It would be nice to actually put the strongest XI out on the pitch for once instead of focussing on a series happening in 4 months time.
I get that the teams are vastly different but the West Indies always turn it up when England tour there. This seems a poor decision for me.
As for planning for the summer, we've seen how well the policy of always planning for the next game went all through the last 2 years. It would be nice to actually put the strongest XI out on the pitch for once instead of focussing on a series happening in 4 months time.
Squad for the West Indies
Joe Root (Yorkshire) captain
Jonathan Bairstow (Yorkshire)
Zak Crawley (Kent)
Matthew Fisher (Yorkshire)
Ben Foakes (Surrey)
Dan Lawrence (Essex)
Jack Leach (Somerset)
Alex Lees (Durham)
Saqib Mahmood (Lancashire)
Craig Overton (Somerset)
Matthew Parkinson (Lancashire)
Ollie Pope (Surrey)
Ollie Robinson (Sussex)
Ben Stokes (Durham)
Chris Woakes (Warwickshire)
Mark Wood (Durham)
Cannot believe Pope is going on the tour.
Joe Root (Yorkshire) captain
Jonathan Bairstow (Yorkshire)
Zak Crawley (Kent)
Matthew Fisher (Yorkshire)
Ben Foakes (Surrey)
Dan Lawrence (Essex)
Jack Leach (Somerset)
Alex Lees (Durham)
Saqib Mahmood (Lancashire)
Craig Overton (Somerset)
Matthew Parkinson (Lancashire)
Ollie Pope (Surrey)
Ollie Robinson (Sussex)
Ben Stokes (Durham)
Chris Woakes (Warwickshire)
Mark Wood (Durham)
Cannot believe Pope is going on the tour.
Nyphur said:
Quite possibly. Though England haven't won a series in the West Indies since 2003 - the only series they have won out there since the 1960's.
I get that the teams are vastly different but the West Indies always turn it up when England tour there. This seems a poor decision for me.
As for planning for the summer, we've seen how well the policy of always planning for the next game went all through the last 2 years. It would be nice to actually put the strongest XI out on the pitch for once instead of focussing on a series happening in 4 months time.
Agree but if you don’t do it for this series when do you do it? Anderson is 39 and are we gonna wheel him out when he is 42? Broad isn’t getting any younger either. Blood some youngsters against West Indies, you still have Robinson, Woakes, Wood and Stokes. I get that the teams are vastly different but the West Indies always turn it up when England tour there. This seems a poor decision for me.
As for planning for the summer, we've seen how well the policy of always planning for the next game went all through the last 2 years. It would be nice to actually put the strongest XI out on the pitch for once instead of focussing on a series happening in 4 months time.
People will be moaning if Anderson plays in the 1st test in the Caribbean gets injured and out for the season. We have to plan for life without them.
Challo said:
Agree but if you don’t do it for this series when do you do it? Anderson is 39 and are we gonna wheel him out when he is 42? Broad isn’t getting any younger either. Blood some youngsters against West Indies, you still have Robinson, Woakes, Wood and Stokes.
People will be moaning if Anderson plays in the 1st test in the Caribbean gets injured and out for the season. We have to plan for life without them.
Anderson is head and shoulders in levels of fitness above Robinson who broke down multiple times in the Ashes, who ruled himself out of selection due to a shoulder injury then pissed off to have a round of golf, and who accused the ECB of "fat shaming him" and refused to take the body fat percentage test. The gulf in professionalism between the two is huge.People will be moaning if Anderson plays in the 1st test in the Caribbean gets injured and out for the season. We have to plan for life without them.
If Anderson was still fit at 42, and playing at the level he is now, why would you not continue to select him?
When do you leave out Anderson? When he no longer gets into England's best starting XI.
Nyphur said:
Challo said:
Agree but if you don’t do it for this series when do you do it? Anderson is 39 and are we gonna wheel him out when he is 42? Broad isn’t getting any younger either. Blood some youngsters against West Indies, you still have Robinson, Woakes, Wood and Stokes.
People will be moaning if Anderson plays in the 1st test in the Caribbean gets injured and out for the season. We have to plan for life without them.
Anderson is head and shoulders in levels of fitness above Robinson who broke down multiple times in the Ashes, who ruled himself out of selection due to a shoulder injury then pissed off to have a round of golf, and who accused the ECB of "fat shaming him" and refused to take the body fat percentage test. The gulf in professionalism between the two is huge.People will be moaning if Anderson plays in the 1st test in the Caribbean gets injured and out for the season. We have to plan for life without them.
If Anderson was still fit at 42, and playing at the level he is now, why would you not continue to select him?
When do you leave out Anderson? When he no longer gets into England's best starting XI.
Anderson is the best available.
Hammer67 said:
Spot on, there seems to be a thing in England where you are deemed to be either too young or too old. Age shouldn`t come into it, if you are the best available you should play.
Anderson is the best available.
Graeme Hick wasn’t deemed suitable to play i think partly down to his age and his county average wasn’t the required level because he hadn’t played in this country long enough. England cricket selection has had issues for a very long time. I think it still suffers from old fart syndrome in a way that rugby used to. Anderson is the best available.
Anderson and Broad decision is odd. Is it genuinely resting them, or is it around the atmosphere they both create that stifles those coming through.
Was all the talk years back that the bowlers were ruthless and ran the dressing room.
On talent and ability they still are up there so should be in the squad. So a more innocent approach may be that they just won't others to stand up when they know that they don't have them two around to solve stuff.
The two of them have been a joy to watch. Anderson is a genius and Broad had that habit of taking wickets close together. At times he'd step up his game to insane levels (like on NBA jam "he's on fire")
Was all the talk years back that the bowlers were ruthless and ran the dressing room.
On talent and ability they still are up there so should be in the squad. So a more innocent approach may be that they just won't others to stand up when they know that they don't have them two around to solve stuff.
The two of them have been a joy to watch. Anderson is a genius and Broad had that habit of taking wickets close together. At times he'd step up his game to insane levels (like on NBA jam "he's on fire")
Smollet said:
Hammer67 said:
Spot on, there seems to be a thing in England where you are deemed to be either too young or too old. Age shouldn`t come into it, if you are the best available you should play.
Anderson is the best available.
Graeme Hick wasn’t deemed suitable to play i think partly down to his age and his county average wasn’t the required level because he hadn’t played in this country long enough. England cricket selection has had issues for a very long time. I think it still suffers from old fart syndrome in a way that rugby used to. Anderson is the best available.
I don't recall Australia dicking about with Warne and MacGrath like England are with Broad and Anderson. They played them as long as they could as they were the best they had. There might have been a vacuum when they retired but that wasn't their fault/problem.
England's treatment of their 2 most successful Test bowlers starts to look shabby and disrespectful.
Seems like the ongoing fallout between Root and these two is finally coming to a head. If what's been said about their becoming increasingly unmanageable, and the resultant impact on the dressing room, is true then you can see Root reasoning he doesn't have much to lose by ripping the plaster off now. I'm not much of a fan of his captaincy and purely on numbers I think it's almost certainly worth less to the team than Anderson and Broad's bowling, but if the relationship has deteriorated to the rumoured extent then it's hard to see much of a way back.
Reckon they'll get the home tests this summer and that'll be it.
Reckon they'll get the home tests this summer and that'll be it.
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