The **BOXING** thread (Vol 4)
Discussion
g4ry13 said:
Not making weight is frankly cheating. It wasn't even missing weight by a small margin either.
Paying a financial penalty and showing up the next day doesn't make it ok and the fight shouldn't really be happening from a safety perspective unless the other fighter is ok with the weight discrepancy. The fight would always go ahead due to business reasons, but where do you draw the line at how much weight a fighter misses by before the fight doesn't happen?
Ideally, they should have weigh-ins just before fighters enter the ring to avoid the rehydration shenanigans.
I think what happened here is exactly right. Haney could have called off the fight, but instead, he went ahead with it for a renegotiated purse at a new weight. As a result, Haney keeps his 140 belt regardless of result.Paying a financial penalty and showing up the next day doesn't make it ok and the fight shouldn't really be happening from a safety perspective unless the other fighter is ok with the weight discrepancy. The fight would always go ahead due to business reasons, but where do you draw the line at how much weight a fighter misses by before the fight doesn't happen?
Ideally, they should have weigh-ins just before fighters enter the ring to avoid the rehydration shenanigans.
Lots of people calling the WBC crooked for not stripping him of the belt, which is kind numbingly dumb. Comparing it to when the champ misses weight, the belt is still on the line for the challenger as they made weight, but it's a totally different scenario here.
Pugaris said:
g4ry13 said:
Not making weight is frankly cheating. It wasn't even missing weight by a small margin either.
Paying a financial penalty and showing up the next day doesn't make it ok and the fight shouldn't really be happening from a safety perspective unless the other fighter is ok with the weight discrepancy. The fight would always go ahead due to business reasons, but where do you draw the line at how much weight a fighter misses by before the fight doesn't happen?
Ideally, they should have weigh-ins just before fighters enter the ring to avoid the rehydration shenanigans.
I think what happened here is exactly right. Haney could have called off the fight, but instead, he went ahead with it for a renegotiated purse at a new weight. As a result, Haney keeps his 140 belt regardless of result.Paying a financial penalty and showing up the next day doesn't make it ok and the fight shouldn't really be happening from a safety perspective unless the other fighter is ok with the weight discrepancy. The fight would always go ahead due to business reasons, but where do you draw the line at how much weight a fighter misses by before the fight doesn't happen?
Ideally, they should have weigh-ins just before fighters enter the ring to avoid the rehydration shenanigans.
Lots of people calling the WBC crooked for not stripping him of the belt, which is kind numbingly dumb. Comparing it to when the champ misses weight, the belt is still on the line for the challenger as they made weight, but it's a totally different scenario here.
Haney had no option other than to be compensated for it and not have his title at risk. Striking out the main event was never going to happen if he ever wanted future pay days.
g4ry13 said:
Pugaris said:
g4ry13 said:
Not making weight is frankly cheating. It wasn't even missing weight by a small margin either.
Paying a financial penalty and showing up the next day doesn't make it ok and the fight shouldn't really be happening from a safety perspective unless the other fighter is ok with the weight discrepancy. The fight would always go ahead due to business reasons, but where do you draw the line at how much weight a fighter misses by before the fight doesn't happen?
Ideally, they should have weigh-ins just before fighters enter the ring to avoid the rehydration shenanigans.
I think what happened here is exactly right. Haney could have called off the fight, but instead, he went ahead with it for a renegotiated purse at a new weight. As a result, Haney keeps his 140 belt regardless of result.Paying a financial penalty and showing up the next day doesn't make it ok and the fight shouldn't really be happening from a safety perspective unless the other fighter is ok with the weight discrepancy. The fight would always go ahead due to business reasons, but where do you draw the line at how much weight a fighter misses by before the fight doesn't happen?
Ideally, they should have weigh-ins just before fighters enter the ring to avoid the rehydration shenanigans.
Lots of people calling the WBC crooked for not stripping him of the belt, which is kind numbingly dumb. Comparing it to when the champ misses weight, the belt is still on the line for the challenger as they made weight, but it's a totally different scenario here.
Haney had no option other than to be compensated for it and not have his title at risk. Striking out the main event was never going to happen if he ever wanted future pay days.
For the other guy, pay the fine, instant advantage and if you win the general public and TV companies don't seem to care.
On purely fighting terms I am not too bothered as Haney would still have been the heaviest guy at ring walk time - it was a fair fight.
But it is certainly the most high profile example of this kind of thing happening and I assume stronger controls will be put in place from now on.
I think they realised they could not make the weight safely a few days out and then had to come up with a plan B. The antics and the drinking beer was a good way to spin things for the PPV clicks.
But it is certainly the most high profile example of this kind of thing happening and I assume stronger controls will be put in place from now on.
I think they realised they could not make the weight safely a few days out and then had to come up with a plan B. The antics and the drinking beer was a good way to spin things for the PPV clicks.
g4ry13 said:
After all the millions spent on promoting the fight, the undercards and people who spent money to attend and purchase PPV, do you really think Haney would be able to turn around and say he doesn't want to take the fight because Garcia missed weight and it's dangerous?
Haney had no option other than to be compensated for it and not have his title at risk. Striking out the main event was never going to happen if he ever wanted future pay days.
Usually the fighter who misses weight has to agree to a weigh-in the following day and will be limited on their re-hydration weight. So for example Garcia might have to hit a weight of say 152lb whereas Haney would be unrestricted.Haney had no option other than to be compensated for it and not have his title at risk. Striking out the main event was never going to happen if he ever wanted future pay days.
That is usually how a level playing field is maintained, so the fighter who misses weight doesn't gain an unfair advantage.
In this case, Haney decided he wanted the money instead.
272BHP said:
On purely fighting terms I am not too bothered as Haney would still have been the heaviest guy at ring walk time - it was a fair fight.
But it is certainly the most high profile example of this kind of thing happening and I assume stronger controls will be put in place from now on.
I think they realised they could not make the weight safely a few days out and then had to come up with a plan B. The antics and the drinking beer was a good way to spin things for the PPV clicks.
Castillo v Corales was first big one I can remember, first fight was an all time great! Castillo failed weight second fight and Corrales took the pay off, and lost...for the rubber match Castillo failed weight again and Corrales took compensation and refused to fight him. Bought a lovely motorbike with the compensation money and was killed on the bike.....or, so the boxing folklore story goes...But it is certainly the most high profile example of this kind of thing happening and I assume stronger controls will be put in place from now on.
I think they realised they could not make the weight safely a few days out and then had to come up with a plan B. The antics and the drinking beer was a good way to spin things for the PPV clicks.
Now that Haney has been exposed as not the next Floyd, maybe we can look at Fury v Usyk.
Whilst I still doubt Fury will show up I'm interested in the argument that seem to have developed around the good big one beating a good little one adage.
Now I get that, but it has to be based on all other things being equal and this is where I get a little confused. I don't see Fury as being Usyk's boxing equal. Where's this idea that Fury is as good originating from and why are so many pundits pushing it?
I have to give Fury a size and weight advantage and a fit Fury should be stronger but after that it's all Usyk for me.
Whilst I still doubt Fury will show up I'm interested in the argument that seem to have developed around the good big one beating a good little one adage.
Now I get that, but it has to be based on all other things being equal and this is where I get a little confused. I don't see Fury as being Usyk's boxing equal. Where's this idea that Fury is as good originating from and why are so many pundits pushing it?
I have to give Fury a size and weight advantage and a fit Fury should be stronger but after that it's all Usyk for me.
tuscaneer said:
Lomachenko showed how to beat Haney but got stiffed .... Garcia finished the job!... I had to admire Haney's grit and determination to keep getting up..they were HEAVY knockdowns!
Yes Garcia carries real power. I actually like the kid. Bit like a young brash Oscar but turned up to 11.tuscaneer said:
Lomachenko showed how to beat Haney but got stiffed .... Garcia finished the job!... I had to admire Haney's grit and determination to keep getting up..they were HEAVY knockdowns!
I re-watched the Lomo-Hsney fight on Sunday, beautiful to watch. Shame he didn't have a bit more sting in the shots he let go.Unreal said:
tuscaneer said:
Lomachenko showed how to beat Haney but got stiffed .... Garcia finished the job!... I had to admire Haney's grit and determination to keep getting up..they were HEAVY knockdowns!
Yes Garcia carries real power. I actually like the kid. Bit like a young brash Oscar but turned up to 11.Tickle said:
tuscaneer said:
Lomachenko showed how to beat Haney but got stiffed .... Garcia finished the job!... I had to admire Haney's grit and determination to keep getting up..they were HEAVY knockdowns!
I re-watched the Lomo-Hsney fight on Sunday, beautiful to watch. Shame he didn't have a bit more sting in the shots he let go.Unreal said:
Look forward to this, Nery is good; however, can't see anything but a dominant Inoue. 
Unreal said:
Now that Haney has been exposed as not the next Floyd, maybe we can look at Fury v Usyk.
Whilst I still doubt Fury will show up I'm interested in the argument that seem to have developed around the good big one beating a good little one adage.
Now I get that, but it has to be based on all other things being equal and this is where I get a little confused. I don't see Fury as being Usyk's boxing equal. Where's this idea that Fury is as good originating from and why are so many pundits pushing it?
I have to give Fury a size and weight advantage and a fit Fury should be stronger but after that it's all Usyk for me.
Furys legs went 2 years ago it will be interesting to see what he's like with actual training and really turning up at the best of his ability something he's not had to do for a long time probably really since Klitschko. I think it's no secret I'm something of an Usyk fanboy but I do think Fury will not be an easy night's work. I would say late round KO For the rabbit I think no matter how hard Fury trains Usyk will have trained harder and has double the natural talent. Also Usyk is a harder puncher than Fury. The only advantage Fury has is reach. His size isn't going to help him as Usyk won't be there to lean on. I'm looking forward to what casuals will find boring but for me it will be a masterclass in movement peppering the big man with those beautiful 1 - 2 combos for round after round. Fury will try to go for a close inside game plenty of elbows and head butts and expect low blows right from the bell. Whilst I still doubt Fury will show up I'm interested in the argument that seem to have developed around the good big one beating a good little one adage.
Now I get that, but it has to be based on all other things being equal and this is where I get a little confused. I don't see Fury as being Usyk's boxing equal. Where's this idea that Fury is as good originating from and why are so many pundits pushing it?
I have to give Fury a size and weight advantage and a fit Fury should be stronger but after that it's all Usyk for me.
I think Fury will turn up looking great. 2 rounds in realise he's not going to win.
Then turn it into a horrible hug fest. Lots of leaning in, hugs cheap shots on the break.
Let's not forget he threw an elbow not so long ago.
I expect to see the dirtiest fight hes ever fought.
I hope Usyk wins.
Then turn it into a horrible hug fest. Lots of leaning in, hugs cheap shots on the break.
Let's not forget he threw an elbow not so long ago.
I expect to see the dirtiest fight hes ever fought.
I hope Usyk wins.
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