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Blackpuddin

16,555 posts

206 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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Yes same, I imagine Wes will be keeping his moustache for a while after that!

leglessAlex

5,475 posts

142 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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I got out for another 9 at Test Valley yesterday, It was cold and not great conditions to be out. I was actually with a PHer, but I think he's more of a lurker on this thread.

Golf was still awful, I still didn't mind. We were walking, so I was physically pretty tired at the end of the 9. I've decided I won't be going to the range much from now on, the mats have ruined me, I can't connect properly with any of my irons at all!

Anyway. It's still good to get out and get going, fingers crossed I can start to get the hang of the irons again.

DuncanM

6,210 posts

280 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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leglessAlex said:
I got out for another 9 at Test Valley yesterday, It was cold and not great conditions to be out. I was actually with a PHer, but I think he's more of a lurker on this thread.

Golf was still awful, I still didn't mind. We were walking, so I was physically pretty tired at the end of the 9. I've decided I won't be going to the range much from now on, the mats have ruined me, I can't connect properly with any of my irons at all!

Anyway. It's still good to get out and get going, fingers crossed I can start to get the hang of the irons again.
Well done for getting out again, weather finally starting to improve.

I'm not sure stopping going to the range is the best idea, more so, that you need to start recognising the difference between good and bad strike at the range, and then obsessing over it. I can always tell, the noise and feel of a ball first strike is significantly different to mat first.

You're doing really well to progress as quickly as you are, getting out and playing will help for sure.


London424

12,829 posts

176 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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DuncanM said:
leglessAlex said:
I got out for another 9 at Test Valley yesterday, It was cold and not great conditions to be out. I was actually with a PHer, but I think he's more of a lurker on this thread.

Golf was still awful, I still didn't mind. We were walking, so I was physically pretty tired at the end of the 9. I've decided I won't be going to the range much from now on, the mats have ruined me, I can't connect properly with any of my irons at all!

Anyway. It's still good to get out and get going, fingers crossed I can start to get the hang of the irons again.
Well done for getting out again, weather finally starting to improve.

I'm not sure stopping going to the range is the best idea, more so, that you need to start recognising the difference between good and bad strike at the range, and then obsessing over it. I can always tell, the noise and feel of a ball first strike is significantly different to mat first.

You're doing really well to progress as quickly as you are, getting out and playing will help for sure.
Easiest way I found was put a towel down 6 inches or so behind the ball. If you hit the towel you know you’re hitting it fat.

You can put it further away to start if you need and bring it closer the better/more confident you get.

Rojibo

1,730 posts

78 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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leglessAlex said:
I got out for another 9 at Test Valley yesterday, It was cold and not great conditions to be out. I was actually with a PHer, but I think he's more of a lurker on this thread.

Golf was still awful, I still didn't mind. We were walking, so I was physically pretty tired at the end of the 9. I've decided I won't be going to the range much from now on, the mats have ruined me, I can't connect properly with any of my irons at all!

Anyway. It's still good to get out and get going, fingers crossed I can start to get the hang of the irons again.
If you can find a range that has a grass area you can hit off, that’s a great way to practice your ball striking. Or, as others have said, if unavailable the towel or tape drill works well too.

leglessAlex

5,475 posts

142 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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Rojibo, I wish I could find a grass range, that's the holy grail!

London424 said:
DuncanM said:
leglessAlex said:
I got out for another 9 at Test Valley yesterday, It was cold and not great conditions to be out. I was actually with a PHer, but I think he's more of a lurker on this thread.

Golf was still awful, I still didn't mind. We were walking, so I was physically pretty tired at the end of the 9. I've decided I won't be going to the range much from now on, the mats have ruined me, I can't connect properly with any of my irons at all!

Anyway. It's still good to get out and get going, fingers crossed I can start to get the hang of the irons again.
Well done for getting out again, weather finally starting to improve.

I'm not sure stopping going to the range is the best idea, more so, that you need to start recognising the difference between good and bad strike at the range, and then obsessing over it. I can always tell, the noise and feel of a ball first strike is significantly different to mat first.

You're doing really well to progress as quickly as you are, getting out and playing will help for sure.
Easiest way I found was put a towel down 6 inches or so behind the ball. If you hit the towel you know you’re hitting it fat.

You can put it further away to start if you need and bring it closer the better/more confident you get.
So the thought behind avoiding the range is that I don't think it helps me psychologically. I know what the contact should sound and feel like, and I know how my swing should feel... I just can't do it out on course.

I think a lot of it is footing and ball lie. I'm never, EVER as stable on grass as I am on the mats at the range, my prosthesis have a contact patch that's just too small and not nearly adaptable enough to slopes and general ground. in addition to this, the ball is almost never sitting as it is on the range, it's always 5mm higher or lower at the very best, often it can be a lot more. Even on a tee box it's like this. Of course, I don't have the ability to adjust my ankle or knee bend to adapt to this.

The idea behind avoiding the range is to try and get used to this and adapt to it, instead of practicing something at the range that I just won't ever really have the opportunity to repeat on course!

Rojibo

1,730 posts

78 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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I do feel very lucky that I’ve got a grass range and it’s only a 10/15 min drive from me. The mad thing is you always see people flooding the bays the grass is hardly used in comparison!

48Valves

1,961 posts

210 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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leglessAlex said:
Rojibo, I wish I could find a grass range, that's the holy grail!

London424 said:
DuncanM said:
leglessAlex said:
I got out for another 9 at Test Valley yesterday, It was cold and not great conditions to be out. I was actually with a PHer, but I think he's more of a lurker on this thread.

Golf was still awful, I still didn't mind. We were walking, so I was physically pretty tired at the end of the 9. I've decided I won't be going to the range much from now on, the mats have ruined me, I can't connect properly with any of my irons at all!

Anyway. It's still good to get out and get going, fingers crossed I can start to get the hang of the irons again.
Well done for getting out again, weather finally starting to improve.

I'm not sure stopping going to the range is the best idea, more so, that you need to start recognising the difference between good and bad strike at the range, and then obsessing over it. I can always tell, the noise and feel of a ball first strike is significantly different to mat first.

You're doing really well to progress as quickly as you are, getting out and playing will help for sure.
Easiest way I found was put a towel down 6 inches or so behind the ball. If you hit the towel you know you’re hitting it fat.

You can put it further away to start if you need and bring it closer the better/more confident you get.
So the thought behind avoiding the range is that I don't think it helps me psychologically. I know what the contact should sound and feel like, and I know how my swing should feel... I just can't do it out on course.

I think a lot of it is footing and ball lie. I'm never, EVER as stable on grass as I am on the mats at the range, my prosthesis have a contact patch that's just too small and not nearly adaptable enough to slopes and general ground. in addition to this, the ball is almost never sitting as it is on the range, it's always 5mm higher or lower at the very best, often it can be a lot more. Even on a tee box it's like this. Of course, I don't have the ability to adjust my ankle or knee bend to adapt to this.

The idea behind avoiding the range is to try and get used to this and adapt to it, instead of practicing something at the range that I just won't ever really have the opportunity to repeat on course!
I think you’ve hit the nail on the head. Have you had an on course lesson?

Once you have something resembling a golf swing, the best way to improve is to play golf.

The range is only any use for working on very specific mechanics. It does absolutely nothing to teach you how to play golf. It’s too easy and uniform.

Golf is almost infinitely variable. To improve, we need to learn how to adapt and adjust for the ball being slightly above or below your feet, on an upslope or downslope. Is the grass long or short, is it dry or damp, is it growing towards or away from your target and many other things.
Reading the lie and picking an appropriate shot is a huge part of improving scoring. We can’t learn that hitting 100 balls off a range mat.

Go play, even if it’s 5 or 6 holes with a couple of balls. Play a 2 ball match against yourself, or a worst ball scramble. Throw a ball down on a different lie and try to hit a shot one way then a different way. See what chipping with a hybrid or a 6 iron is like instead of a wedge.

I believe that once a player is capable of scoring somewhere near 100/110 then learning to play golf rather than learning a swing would see their scores improve.

shiftydave

240 posts

165 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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leglessAlex said:
I got out for another 9 at Test Valley yesterday, It was cold and not great conditions to be out. I was actually with a PHer, but I think he's more of a lurker on this thread.

Golf was still awful, I still didn't mind. We were walking, so I was physically pretty tired at the end of the 9. I've decided I won't be going to the range much from now on, the mats have ruined me, I can't connect properly with any of my irons at all!

Anyway. It's still good to get out and get going, fingers crossed I can start to get the hang of the irons again.
Called out for my lurking, I guess I'll have to speak up now! biggrin

Great to get out with you yesterday. You and me both struggled with the irons but there was plenty to be positive about. Great laugh as well, and I was tired by the end so you were twice as impressive. Roll on more dry weather and long days to play again!

shiftydave

240 posts

165 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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May as well do a little hello and intro after leglessAlex highlighted my lurking here! Got my first clubs in summer 2022 (one of those Callaway Strata beginner sets), played a few times in the first six months, more regular in early 2023, then got a membership at Test Valley last summer. Currently a 31 handicap - good enough to get a few pars in a round but also have massive blow-ups so I haven't broken 100 yet (shooting bang on 100 with temp greens a few weeks back is the highlight so far). Currently struggling with tempo and sequencing on full iron and wedge swings but once that improves I'll not feel quite so shameful biggrin

Most important of all, what's in the bag? (with poor photos / background rubbish / dirty clubs / pet hair)

Bags - TaylorMade Flextech Waterproof and a Sunday Golf lightweight stand bag:






Driver / woods / hybrid - Cobra LTDx, Cobra Speedzone 3 wood (set to 15.5*), Cobra F7 5/6 wood (set to 19.5*), and a Cobra T-Rail 5 Hybrid (25*)




Irons - TaylorMade M6 (5-PW)




Wedges - A selection of Cleveland RTX 588 in 50*, 56* and 60*




Putter - Odyssey DFX 2-Ball




Every club is second hand except for the putter, which is the most recent purchase but first to be replaced as I'm looking at the Odyssey Ai-ONE 2-Ball as a little 40th birthday present in a few weeks.

Hope the pictures brighten up everyone's day, and cheers for the ongoing interesting chat / great advice on this thread! bow

leglessAlex

5,475 posts

142 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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48Valves said:
Golf is almost infinitely variable. To improve, we need to learn how to adapt and adjust for the ball being slightly above or below your feet, on an upslope or downslope. Is the grass long or short, is it dry or damp, is it growing towards or away from your target and many other things.
Reading the lie and picking an appropriate shot is a huge part of improving scoring. We can’t learn that hitting 100 balls off a range mat.
This is the core of the reasoning, and the aim. Learn to hit in less than ideal circumstances, and hopefully with that, choose the right shots.

On Friday, I'm actually very very happy with the shots I chose, there were issues with executing the shots but nothing that left me in a bunker or wildly out of place. On Monday, the choice of shots was less good, which I'm not super happy with, and I need to work on more.

I think it's more fundamental than what you've described, in many cases I am not able to even stand remotely normally, due to uneven ground or ball position. So my swing is never going to be consistent and always a compromise, and my job is to learn how best to get the ball the distance I want even with that compromise.

Challo

10,166 posts

156 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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leglessAlex said:
I got out for another 9 at Test Valley yesterday, It was cold and not great conditions to be out. I was actually with a PHer, but I think he's more of a lurker on this thread.

Golf was still awful, I still didn't mind. We were walking, so I was physically pretty tired at the end of the 9. I've decided I won't be going to the range much from now on, the mats have ruined me, I can't connect properly with any of my irons at all!

Anyway. It's still good to get out and get going, fingers crossed I can start to get the hang of the irons again.
Whats Test valley like? Its not far from me (Tadley) heard good things but only recently moved over this way so wanting to try out some new courses over the summer months.

leglessAlex

5,475 posts

142 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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Challo said:
Whats Test valley like? Its not far from me (Tadley) heard good things but only recently moved over this way so wanting to try out some new courses over the summer months.
I like it. I don't think it's an overly hard course, some of the greens are a little small but the fairways are pretty generous I think. The fact the surrounding trees are usually deciduous means the rough past the first cut can be brutal, a black hole into which balls disappear, never to be found again. The bunkers really seemed to be placed for the 'average' person that's hitting it 180-210 off the yellow tees, I think even a moderate hitter won't find most of them very bothersome.

Feel free to let me know if you're going out for a round, I'd be well up for it if you're willing to have a very high handicapper tag along.

bodhi

10,540 posts

230 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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shiftydave said:
May as well do a little hello and intro after leglessAlex highlighted my lurking here! Got my first clubs in summer 2022 (one of those Callaway Strata beginner sets), played a few times in the first six months, more regular in early 2023, then got a membership at Test Valley last summer. Currently a 31 handicap - good enough to get a few pars in a round but also have massive blow-ups so I haven't broken 100 yet (shooting bang on 100 with temp greens a few weeks back is the highlight so far). Currently struggling with tempo and sequencing on full iron and wedge swings but once that improves I'll not feel quite so shameful biggrin

Most important of all, what's in the bag? (with poor photos / background rubbish / dirty clubs / pet hair)

Bags - TaylorMade Flextech Waterproof and a Sunday Golf lightweight stand bag:






Driver / woods / hybrid - Cobra LTDx, Cobra Speedzone 3 wood (set to 15.5*), Cobra F7 5/6 wood (set to 19.5*), and a Cobra T-Rail 5 Hybrid (25*)




Irons - TaylorMade M6 (5-PW)




Wedges - A selection of Cleveland RTX 588 in 50*, 56* and 60*




Putter - Odyssey DFX 2-Ball




Every club is second hand except for the putter, which is the most recent purchase but first to be replaced as I'm looking at the Odyssey Ai-ONE 2-Ball as a little 40th birthday present in a few weeks.

Hope the pictures brighten up everyone's day, and cheers for the ongoing interesting chat / great advice on this thread! bow
Welcome - and congratulations on the progress so far on the world's most infuriating game. Sounds like you've got the bug, which is the first key bit to improving and sounds like you're making pretty good progress for 18 months in. I can give two general bits of advice on the irons/wedges which stood me in pretty good stead trying to improve them:

1) Don't swing them flat out. Control is far more important than distance with these clubs and holding back slightly usually results in far better contact.
2) Try to take the club back in as straight a line as possible - you'd be surprised how many issues on the way through are caused by poor takeaway.

Other than that, enjoy and try not to take it too seriouslysmile

And seeing as you went there on what's in the bag (regulars will confirm I'm partial to one of these) - the latest pic I have of my sticks:



They are:

Titleist TS4 Driver
Titleist 917 F3 3 Wood
Titleist 818 H2 3 Hybrid
TM P770 3 iron (carried in summer)
Nike VR Pro 4 - PW
Nike SV 52 Degree wedge
TM MG2 56 degree SW
Nike Method 003 Putter

Had all these for a while now, thinking I'd spend my money on lessons rather than clubs to improve. Strictly speaking I'm off the same handicap as when I started them, but now I have a fighting chance of playing to it most days.

Tycho

11,631 posts

274 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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Any excuse to show off the Nike goodies hehe they are lovely though.

Welcome shiftyDave, you'll get loads of good advice from the guys here. I'm another one in the Basingstoke/Reading area and play out of Sherfield Oaks. I'd be up for a group game with other locals when the weather gets better.

shiftydave

240 posts

165 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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bodhi said:
Welcome - and congratulations on the progress so far on the world's most infuriating game. Sounds like you've got the bug, which is the first key bit to improving and sounds like you're making pretty good progress for 18 months in. I can give two general bits of advice on the irons/wedges which stood me in pretty good stead trying to improve them:

1) Don't swing them flat out. Control is far more important than distance with these clubs and holding back slightly usually results in far better contact.
2) Try to take the club back in as straight a line as possible - you'd be surprised how many issues on the way through are caused by poor takeaway.

Other than that, enjoy and try not to take it too seriouslysmile

And seeing as you went there on what's in the bag (regulars will confirm I'm partial to one of these) - the latest pic I have of my sticks:



They are:

Titleist TS4 Driver
Titleist 917 F3 3 Wood
Titleist 818 H2 3 Hybrid
TM P770 3 iron (carried in summer)
Nike VR Pro 4 - PW
Nike SV 52 Degree wedge
TM MG2 56 degree SW
Nike Method 003 Putter

Had all these for a while now, thinking I'd spend my money on lessons rather than clubs to improve. Strictly speaking I'm off the same handicap as when I started them, but now I have a fighting chance of playing to it most days.
Thanks Bodhi! I think point 1 is the big thing for me (point 2 is very much noted as well though) - the practice swing feels nice and controlled then in the real swing my brain does a big panic at the top of the backswing and everything goes out of shape. It's getting there, just need to chill out a bit!

That's a very nice WITB! Those Nike irons look absolutely gorgeous.

On the topic of Nike, a few weeks back I played with someone who had that old square driver they made years ago and it sounded absolutely horrible. And loud. So, so loud biggrin

shiftydave

240 posts

165 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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Tycho said:
Any excuse to show off the Nike goodies hehe they are lovely though.

Welcome shiftyDave, you'll get loads of good advice from the guys here. I'm another one in the Basingstoke/Reading area and play out of Sherfield Oaks. I'd be up for a group game with other locals when the weather gets better.
Cheers Tycho! I've played Sherfield Oaks a couple of times and it's really nice, as long as it's dry. Others have said it's got a bit sloppy around there over the winter, so fingers crossed for more dry weather now. Sounds like we have a few locals up for a round!

shiftydave

240 posts

165 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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leglessAlex said:
Challo said:
Whats Test valley like? Its not far from me (Tadley) heard good things but only recently moved over this way so wanting to try out some new courses over the summer months.
I like it. I don't think it's an overly hard course, some of the greens are a little small but the fairways are pretty generous I think. The fact the surrounding trees are usually deciduous means the rough past the first cut can be brutal, a black hole into which balls disappear, never to be found again. The bunkers really seemed to be placed for the 'average' person that's hitting it 180-210 off the yellow tees, I think even a moderate hitter won't find most of them very bothersome.

Feel free to let me know if you're going out for a round, I'd be well up for it if you're willing to have a very high handicapper tag along.
The best feature of Test is the drainage. Over winter we only closed for about 6 hours in total, and that was delayed opening on a couple of days rather than full closure. None of the holes were ever completely closed, just temporary greens in place when the weather got really bad.

Worst feature (for a while) will be the groundwork they've started to re-position the first hole, driving range and putting green. The range is pretty much closed now so it's just three practice nets available to find your groove before teeing off.

fat80b

2,284 posts

222 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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A WITB is a nice idea. For me :

Ping G430 Max Driver (9 degree, 65g stiff) - Not actually got it yet.....but the fitting showed it is going to be much better than my current Callaway FT-9 from 2009
Ping G430 3wood - Regular

Mizuno JPX800 Hybrid - High launch shaft 19 degree / 3 iron equivalent
Mizuno MX700 Hybrid - High launch shaft 23 degree / 4 iron equivalent

Cobra 5-GW Radspeed, Senior shafts.

Titleist Vokey SM4 - 52 degree
Titleist Vokey SM5 - 58 degree
Titleist Vokey SM4 - 60 degree (garden practice club (not actually in the bag))

Yes Callie putter with a SuperStroke fat grip

Srixon Q Star tour balls

A ClicGear 4 trolley and an OGIO cart bag

Skechers GoGolf 5 shoes
Footjoy glove

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Things I'd say about my setup:

I love my hybrids and don't know what I'd do without them - Probably quit golf as it'd be way harder than it already is. I love my putter but I'm tempted to switch it out for something else (possibly a TM Spider)

The trolley and bag combo is great - I never thought I'd like a trolley and carried my old SunMountain bag for years and years, but having switched to a push trolley, I'd never go back


DuncanM

6,210 posts

280 months

Tuesday 23rd April
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Welcome Dave! Well done on what sounds like rapid progression smile




Objective truth/ego death, means that I'm now back using my players cavities, Wilson Staff Pi5s, they're still excellent, re-gripped today, after 18 years!

Driver: Dot.com this 9° 65g stiff
3W: Adams 14°
Hybrids: 18° Adams Pro mini, Adams 22°
Wedges: 588s 54 and 60
Putter: S-Blade Emperor - rare and freaking amazing