Starting a new job as an apprentice BMW technician

Starting a new job as an apprentice BMW technician

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bearman68

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133 months

Wednesday 24th November 2021
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Om said:
bearman68 said:
I agree with pretty much everything above, but I have never worn sun screen in the workshop. I can absolutely assure you it's not required in our workshop at any rate.
Says the man with no eyebrows...
Oh very good. biggrin

mick1199

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Thursday 25th November 2021
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Richard-390a0 said:
Working at the manufacturers U.K head office is what I mean. E.g a lot of technical helpdesk staff who have worked their way up through the workshop to master tech level etc then go on to work for the manufacturer, rather than going to uni. Or as a regional technical manager going out to troubleshoot when retailers have problematic cars etc.
Ah I see. Thank you. Another path to look into I guess if it suits me. I’m just looking forward to learning the basics. smile

toon10 said:
I know a lad who is a divisional aftersales manager for BMW. He started out as an old school mechanic, started his own business for a while and has worked for many car brands over the years. He's a bit of an alpha male type and very switched on so when you combine the two, he's made a very good career out of the motor trade from mechanic beginnings. I'm not sure when he last got oily hands but he is often head hunted and well respected in his trade. He did a stint in the Middle East, made a lot of money and came back to the UK.

I think what I'm trying to say is that like a lot of careers, you can start out, learn your trade and get some skills then branch out on your own and/or progress to other things within the industry. Then again, like most other trades, you can become a journeyman and get stuck doing the same thing and never progressing. There's nothing wrong with that by the way, I know a few people who are what I call plodders and they are very happy doing that. Businesses need people like that to get things done and people like that often don't want the pressure and stress that comes with moving up.

I can't comment on the wages or how you get treat. I suppose well paid BMW salesmen and service managers in their flashy suits could look down on technicians and might be a nightmare to work with. Hopefully, the leadership will have put in some effort around work culture and respect. Companies tend to be on a different scale in that area!
Another interesting story. Thanks! I guess like any job really if you apply yourself and work hard enough, and possibly more importantly have the right personality, who knows where you can end up.

Appreciate the input as always.


MG CHRIS

9,091 posts

168 months

Thursday 25th November 2021
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Penelope Stopit said:
You will only need a basic tool kit, the dealership will have all the special tools

You're making a big mistake though

The work is difficult and the wages are rubbish

There won't be anything to enjoy, you'll be under constant pressure to complete repairs within a time that someone else calculated and those times mean pressure, pressure and more pressure

Chances are that you'll have management that are absolutely clueless about the job

Promotion, very little chance of it

No way does anyone learn the job in five or six years, ten years is a more realistic figure for the spanner work

As for the electrical side of the job, it's a skill on its own and you're not going to get close to learning it at a dealer. When vehicles do go all electric there are possibly going to be many techies out of jobs and those with much electrical knowledge taking their place

Don't do it, you're making the biggest mistake of your life

The motor trade is the pits

Look into working in the IT industry, website work, computer repairs, running servers, it goes on and on

I have worked in the motor trade for many years
Couldn't have said it better myself been in the trade 12 years it's a st industry with useless management and a generally unhappy workforce. Get into the rail industry or aerospace the main dealer route is a dead end.

mick1199

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33 posts

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Friday 26th November 2021
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MG CHRIS said:
Couldn't have said it better myself been in the trade 12 years it's a st industry with useless management and a generally unhappy workforce. Get into the rail industry or aerospace the main dealer route is a dead end.
I’m not stirring scensoredt here, just genuinely curious. If people hate the trade so much then why stay? I understand people sometimes get stuck in a rut so is it a case of it’s all some people know at times? What’s to stop people who hate the trade going to a different dealership/garage where management and their colleagues might be better and happier? Or just going to a completely different job sector or industry even? Cheers!

Monkeylegend

26,525 posts

232 months

Friday 26th November 2021
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mick1199 said:
MG CHRIS said:
Couldn't have said it better myself been in the trade 12 years it's a st industry with useless management and a generally unhappy workforce. Get into the rail industry or aerospace the main dealer route is a dead end.
I’m not stirring scensoredt here, just genuinely curious. If people hate the trade so much then why stay? I understand people sometimes get stuck in a rut so is it a case of it’s all some people know at times? What’s to stop people who hate the trade going to a different dealership/garage where management and their colleagues might be better and happier? Or just going to a completely different job sector or industry even? Cheers!
Dont be put off by the negative comments.

People who are unhappy in their jobs or trade are far more likely to talk about it than those who are not, and if they were that unhappy and it was that bad they would move on to something better if they had the ambition.

Most however say the can't afford to leave, they have bills to pay etc, but they still like to moan about it, probably makes them feel a bit better.

mick1199

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Friday 26th November 2021
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Monkeylegend said:
Dont be put off by the negative comments.

People who are unhappy in their jobs or trade are far more likely to talk about it than those who are not, and if they were that unhappy and it was that bad they would move on to something better if they had the ambition.

Most however say the can't afford to leave, they have bills to pay etc, but they still like to moan about it, probably makes them feel a bit better.
Understood. In fairness not much puts me off. I’m that stubborn I can be told point blank not to do something but if I fancy it, it’s happening anyway. I was the same when I left my last job and didn’t see any future so just the normal reaction I guess. As always, you don’t hear as often from those who are happy but the negativity always find it’s way to the top. Cheers though!

Monkeylegend

26,525 posts

232 months

Friday 26th November 2021
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mick1199 said:
Monkeylegend said:
Dont be put off by the negative comments.

People who are unhappy in their jobs or trade are far more likely to talk about it than those who are not, and if they were that unhappy and it was that bad they would move on to something better if they had the ambition.

Most however say the can't afford to leave, they have bills to pay etc, but they still like to moan about it, probably makes them feel a bit better.
Understood. In fairness not much puts me off. I’m that stubborn I can be told point blank not to do something but if I fancy it, it’s happening anyway. I was the same when I left my last job and didn’t see any future so just the normal reaction I guess. As always, you don’t hear as often from those who are happy but the negativity always find it’s way to the top. Cheers though!
You should always make decisions based on your experience, not somebody elses. You can however take on board others views when coming to that decision smile

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MG CHRIS

9,091 posts

168 months

Friday 26th November 2021
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mick1199 said:
MG CHRIS said:
Couldn't have said it better myself been in the trade 12 years it's a st industry with useless management and a generally unhappy workforce. Get into the rail industry or aerospace the main dealer route is a dead end.
I’m not stirring scensoredt here, just genuinely curious. If people hate the trade so much then why stay? I understand people sometimes get stuck in a rut so is it a case of it’s all some people know at times? What’s to stop people who hate the trade going to a different dealership/garage where management and their colleagues might be better and happier? Or just going to a completely different job sector or industry even? Cheers!
Because generally they are all the same. Target targets target is all that's important. Not good quality work nope get everything done quick doesn't matter if you don't do it right.
For the 2nd point huge amounts have already left or retired early if you find a workshop that hasn't had at least 5 techs leave per year you are doing well.
My first dealer had 12 techs leave over a 1 year period next one had 7 techs leave over the 3 brands the one I left today had 4 this year and 6 last year and that's just techs.

Many have spent to long in either the trade or one place and just waiting too retire. Not helping is complete lack of new techs coming in over the last 15 years.

The pay is crap it's the lowest of all the trades by a long margin also the only one you have to buy tens of thousands of pounds on tools to do said job being a employee. It's a thankless job nobody will appricate you and all your mate will just end up asking you to do there cars for cheap on the weekend. It's also punishing on your body 9 hrs a day on your feet steel toe capped boots as well you will smashing your hands up regularly accidents can cause long lasting issues also in a enviornment with extremely toxic chemicals and emissions from running cars.

If I had my time again I be in something different I am planning on getting out in a few years once I'm a bit more settled as I've bought my first house last year. Learn the trade by all means but don't stay in it long

Monkeylegend

26,525 posts

232 months

Friday 26th November 2021
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MG CHRIS said:
Because generally they are all the same. Target targets target is all that's important. Not good quality work nope get everything done quick doesn't matter if you don't do it right.
For the 2nd point huge amounts have already left or retired early if you find a workshop that hasn't had at least 5 techs leave per year you are doing well.
My first dealer had 12 techs leave over a 1 year period next one had 7 techs leave over the 3 brands the one I left today had 4 this year and 6 last year and that's just techs.

Many have spent to long in either the trade or one place and just waiting too retire. Not helping is complete lack of new techs coming in over the last 15 years.

The pay is crap it's the lowest of all the trades by a long margin also the only one you have to buy tens of thousands of pounds on tools to do said job being a employee. It's a thankless job nobody will appricate you and all your mate will just end up asking you to do there cars for cheap on the weekend. It's also punishing on your body 9 hrs a day on your feet steel toe capped boots as well you will smashing your hands up regularly accidents can cause long lasting issues also in a enviornment with extremely toxic chemicals and emissions from running cars.

If I had my time again I be in something different I am planning on getting out in a few years once I'm a bit more settled as I've bought my first house last year. Learn the trade by all means but don't stay in it long
Not having a go but the bit I don't understand is saying it is crap but then saying you will get out in a few years.

The longer you leave it the harder it will be to get out.

There are plenty of job vacancies at the moment, there has never been a better time to move than now for many years.

Delaying is just that, a delaying tactic, that will continue to be a moving target until you realise you only have a few more years to go so you might as well sit it out.

In my previous career I worked for a very large company and many people I worked with moaned about the job and the company, but saying they could not afford to leave, and none of them ever did.

My view was that if it is that bad you can't afford to stay, which is why I walked away from my career in my mid 40's without a job to go to, to do something completely different that I wanted to do.

MG CHRIS

9,091 posts

168 months

Friday 26th November 2021
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Monkeylegend said:
MG CHRIS said:
Because generally they are all the same. Target targets target is all that's important. Not good quality work nope get everything done quick doesn't matter if you don't do it right.
For the 2nd point huge amounts have already left or retired early if you find a workshop that hasn't had at least 5 techs leave per year you are doing well.
My first dealer had 12 techs leave over a 1 year period next one had 7 techs leave over the 3 brands the one I left today had 4 this year and 6 last year and that's just techs.

Many have spent to long in either the trade or one place and just waiting too retire. Not helping is complete lack of new techs coming in over the last 15 years.

The pay is crap it's the lowest of all the trades by a long margin also the only one you have to buy tens of thousands of pounds on tools to do said job being a employee. It's a thankless job nobody will appricate you and all your mate will just end up asking you to do there cars for cheap on the weekend. It's also punishing on your body 9 hrs a day on your feet steel toe capped boots as well you will smashing your hands up regularly accidents can cause long lasting issues also in a enviornment with extremely toxic chemicals and emissions from running cars.

If I had my time again I be in something different I am planning on getting out in a few years once I'm a bit more settled as I've bought my first house last year. Learn the trade by all means but don't stay in it long
Not having a go but the bit I don't understand is saying it is crap but then saying you will get out in a few years.

The longer you leave it the harder it will be to get out.

There are plenty of job vacancies at the moment, there has never been a better time to move than now for many years.

Delaying is just that, a delaying tactic, that will continue to be a moving target until you realise you only have a few more years to go so you might as well sit it out.

In my previous career I worked for a very large company and many people I worked with moaned about the job and the company, but saying they could not afford to leave, and none of them ever did.

My view was that if it is that bad you can't afford to stay, which is why I walked away from my career in my mid 40's without a job to go to, to do something completely different that I wanted to do.
I've actually left my current job today infact new job starting in the new year with a 4k pay rise but even at that wage it's still low compared to equilvalant trades. It's not always easy to leave and start a new trade or job and not lose money short term specially in certain areas.

Unless your in the Industry you have no idea the level of unhappiness throughout the industry. ATM I'm happy to see what the new company brings but I will be my last attempt and atleast if it doesn't work out the increase wage will help in the move after. I can see what you are saying many lifers get to the point where they just stick it out however doesn't make up for the utter crap show that is the industry.

All though I will say I do think some are trying different things however as many dealers that were family business getting bought out by massive companies like Pendragon you end up with loads of places run exactly the same.

mick1199

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33 posts

30 months

Saturday 27th November 2021
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MG CHRIS said:
I've actually left my current job today infact new job starting in the new year with a 4k pay rise but even at that wage it's still low compared to equilvalant trades. It's not always easy to leave and start a new trade or job and not lose money short term specially in certain areas.

Unless your in the Industry you have no idea the level of unhappiness throughout the industry. ATM I'm happy to see what the new company brings but I will be my last attempt and atleast if it doesn't work out the increase wage will help in the move after. I can see what you are saying many lifers get to the point where they just stick it out however doesn't make up for the utter crap show that is the industry.

All though I will say I do think some are trying different things however as many dealers that were family business getting bought out by massive companies like Pendragon you end up with loads of places run exactly the same.
Well wish you the best of luck mate! Sometimes a change of scenery can mean the world and I suppose an extra £4K a year is nothing to be sniffed at. Having some down time where you’re not working helps too. I must have spent a total of about 9 months unemployed in total over the last year after I left a retail job of 4 years and was awaiting a start date for the Navy. I could have got a small temporary job whilst I was waiting but frankly couldn’t be acensoredd and didn’t see the point. Then another month or so of bugger all when I left te Navy. It certainly made me realise the depressing fact that if you’re not bring productive you might as well be working. My circumstances are different of course but still, a month or two of being able to chill and take some time away might give you a new outlook…or not. You never know though.

The dealership I’m going to be working for is owned by one of the bigger chains and there’s about 13 techs working there, most of which have been there a while I think. The Aftersales Manager is an ex-mechanic as well I think so hopefully management will be a little sympathetic…then again. By all means they’ve only recently been taken over and it used to be under a different dealership group who were struggling so they’re trying to reorganise and pump a load of money into re-tooling the workshop. All in all I’m optimistic. Haven’t even started yet! Should be interesting to say the least. Hell of a time to be starting, I’ll need to invest in some thermals!

MG CHRIS

9,091 posts

168 months

Saturday 27th November 2021
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mick1199 said:
MG CHRIS said:
I've actually left my current job today infact new job starting in the new year with a 4k pay rise but even at that wage it's still low compared to equilvalant trades. It's not always easy to leave and start a new trade or job and not lose money short term specially in certain areas.

Unless your in the Industry you have no idea the level of unhappiness throughout the industry. ATM I'm happy to see what the new company brings but I will be my last attempt and atleast if it doesn't work out the increase wage will help in the move after. I can see what you are saying many lifers get to the point where they just stick it out however doesn't make up for the utter crap show that is the industry.

All though I will say I do think some are trying different things however as many dealers that were family business getting bought out by massive companies like Pendragon you end up with loads of places run exactly the same.
Well wish you the best of luck mate! Sometimes a change of scenery can mean the world and I suppose an extra £4K a year is nothing to be sniffed at. Having some down time where you’re not working helps too. I must have spent a total of about 9 months unemployed in total over the last year after I left a retail job of 4 years and was awaiting a start date for the Navy. I could have got a small temporary job whilst I was waiting but frankly couldn’t be acensoredd and didn’t see the point. Then another month or so of bugger all when I left te Navy. It certainly made me realise the depressing fact that if you’re not bring productive you might as well be working. My circumstances are different of course but still, a month or two of being able to chill and take some time away might give you a new outlook…or not. You never know though.

The dealership I’m going to be working for is owned by one of the bigger chains and there’s about 13 techs working there, most of which have been there a while I think. The Aftersales Manager is an ex-mechanic as well I think so hopefully management will be a little sympathetic…then again. By all means they’ve only recently been taken over and it used to be under a different dealership group who were struggling so they’re trying to reorganise and pump a load of money into re-tooling the workshop. All in all I’m optimistic. Haven’t even started yet! Should be interesting to say the least. Hell of a time to be starting, I’ll need to invest in some thermals!
I'm not trying to put you off the job but showing the reality but all the best in the job and hope it goes well. Hold of on the thermals as the workshop will be heated so won't really be cold. All the best anyway.

Monkeylegend

26,525 posts

232 months

Saturday 27th November 2021
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MG CHRIS said:
I've actually left my current job today infact new job starting in the new year with a 4k pay rise but even at that wage it's still low compared to equilvalant trades. It's not always easy to leave and start a new trade or job and not lose money short term specially in certain areas.

Unless your in the Industry you have no idea the level of unhappiness throughout the industry. ATM I'm happy to see what the new company brings but I will be my last attempt and atleast if it doesn't work out the increase wage will help in the move after. I can see what you are saying many lifers get to the point where they just stick it out however doesn't make up for the utter crap show that is the industry.

All though I will say I do think some are trying different things however as many dealers that were family business getting bought out by massive companies like Pendragon you end up with loads of places run exactly the same.
Good luck in the new job.

A sign of the times unfortunately, there will soon be very few, if any, family run, independant dealerships left.

There was an interesting article re the growth in online new car sales a couple of days ago, they were predicting the demise of even the big dealer groups as many people now are happier to sit at home, buy on line, and have it delivered to their doorstep.

Probably won't suit a PH'er who needs to see, minutely inspect, tell the dealer all that needs to be sorted, test drive, then expertly negotiate a bargain deal, tying up the sales person in knots, then drive off with a glance in the rear view mirror thinking what a great deal they have got, only to post on here a few days later asking how they can return the crap car they have been suckered into buying and get a refund.

mick1199

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Saturday 27th November 2021
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MG CHRIS said:
I'm not trying to put you off the job but showing the reality but all the best in the job and hope it goes well. Hold of on the thermals as the workshop will be heated so won't really be cold. All the best anyway.
Cheers! Thank christ for that, it’s cold enough as it is!

Monkeylegend said:


Good luck in the new job.

A sign of the times unfortunately, there will soon be very few, if any, family run, independant dealerships left.

There was an interesting article re the growth in online new car sales a couple of days ago, they were predicting the demise of even the big dealer groups as many people now are happier to sit at home, buy on line, and have it delivered to their doorstep.

Probably won't suit a PH'er who needs to see, minutely inspect, tell the dealer all that needs to be sorted, test drive, then expertly negotiate a bargain deal, tying up the sales person in knots, then drive off with a glance in the rear view mirror thinking what a great deal they have got, only to post on here a few days later asking how they can return the crap car they have been suckered into buying and get a refund.
I recall reading (or was it watching) something in regards to dealerships and how they do business. In short, as much as online sales are very popular, they seem to be under the impression that people often still like to close the deal at the dealership and like to at least look at their choice of vehicle in person, test drive it even, before shelling out such large amounts of money. I mean I’m no car fanatic and don’t know A from B but I’d still go and look at car and want to drive it before I bought it, regardless of where I was buying it from. Although, perhaps that’s just me. That said I know plenty of people equally clueless about cars who think similar. I’d assume when it comes to lease cars people seem less bothered since it’s never really theirs anyway.

Of course, you have the likes of Tesla who operate their own first-party ‘showrooms’ as opposed to traditional franchised dealerships so whilst you might he able to look at a car and test drive it, you can only buy online and your desired variant will he delivered. In other words you can sample a Tesla but the actual car that’ll be delivered won’t be that same car. As more people are willing to use that sales model - and it’s clearly working for Tesla - perhaps we will one day see the demise of traditional dealerships in favour of delivering to your door.

Or am I just talking scensorede?

Monkeylegend

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232 months

Saturday 27th November 2021
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mick1199 said:
I recall reading (or was it watching) something in regards to dealerships and how they do business. In short, as much as online sales are very popular, they seem to be under the impression that people often still like to close the deal at the dealership and like to at least look at their choice of vehicle in person, test drive it even, before shelling out such large amounts of money. I mean I’m no car fanatic and don’t know A from B but I’d still go and look at car and want to drive it before I bought it, regardless of where I was buying it from. Although, perhaps that’s just me. That said I know plenty of people equally clueless about cars who think similar. I’d assume when it comes to lease cars people seem less bothered since it’s never really theirs anyway.

Of course, you have the likes of Tesla who operate their own first-party ‘showrooms’ as opposed to traditional franchised dealerships so whilst you might he able to look at a car and test drive it, you can only buy online and your desired variant will he delivered. In other words you can sample a Tesla but the actual car that’ll be delivered won’t be that same car. As more people are willing to use that sales model - and it’s clearly working for Tesla - perhaps we will one day see the demise of traditional dealerships in favour of delivering to your door.

Or am I just talking scensorede?
Don't think so, I would still want to go and see a car in the flesh before I buy. We replaced both ours this year and went to view both before buying. We then had one delivered and collected the other.

audikentman

632 posts

243 months

Tuesday 21st December 2021
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Just wondering if OP has started yet?
If so how are you finding it?

croyde

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231 months

Tuesday 21st December 2021
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He's out trying to buy a new bubble for the spirit level.

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mick1199

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30 months

Tuesday 21st December 2021
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audikentman said:
Just wondering if OP has started yet?
If so how are you finding it?
I have. I’m into my third week now so still very early days but so far I’m really enjoying it. There’s some great lads and good banter in the workshop and it’s actually really laid back, as much as there are targets to hit and jobs to complete. There is a lot of standing about and just watching and observing whilst my mentor or someone else explains things, but that’s just because I’m the impatient type so I’m looking forward to getting more mucked in. My first week involved a new engine going into a 3 series and all the various components being swapped over from the knackered one, so that was a good learning experience.

MissChief

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169 months

Tuesday 21st December 2021
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mick1199 said:
I have. I’m into my third week now so still very early days but so far I’m really enjoying it. There’s some great lads and good banter in the workshop and it’s actually really laid back, as much as there are targets to hit and jobs to complete. There is a lot of standing about and just watching and observing whilst my mentor or someone else explains things, but that’s just because I’m the impatient type so I’m looking forward to getting more mucked in. My first week involved a new engine going into a 3 series and all the various components being swapped over from the knackered one, so that was a good learning experience.
Did they say why the 3 series needed a new engine? Hydrolock/Water ingress?

mick1199

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Tuesday 21st December 2021
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MissChief said:
Did they say why the 3 series needed a new engine? Hydrolock/Water ingress?
The exact reason escapes me as my mechanical knowledge is still very minimal so forgive me if this is complete waffle. I believe it was explained to me that one of the turbos had clogged up with oil and packed in which then led to the rest of the engine chewing itself up. I was shown what I believe was a camshaft bearing which looked shredded and there were bits of metal in the sump. Luckily the car was under warranty as a brand new engine, plus both a new high pressure and low pressure turbo were needed. If if helps, I was shown a video of the engine running beforehand and it was knocking pretty badly.