|
Stuart
11,283 posts
120 months
PH Director Bloke
|
Excellent. Gratuitous spending on unnecessary camera gear always gets a thumb up from me. I'm a specialist in self justification and spouse fooling, and camera stuff is both very easy to sneak into the house and easy to justify (look how lovely you/your mum/the cat looks in this photo now I've got this new lens etc). I'm surprised though CF. Given your general awareness of "stuff" and analytical mind I thought you'd have got to grips with aperture, light and depth of field some time ago. Interesting subject to play around with once you understand the fundamentals, and it it'll transform your approach to picture composition. Time to suck up to Uncle Cyberface too. Does he have kids? If not then I'd line yourself up to inherit the Hasselblads. 
|
|
|
cyberface
Original Poster
12,213 posts
126 months
|
OK - no tripod, somewhat drunk, handheld in artificial light with no flash - bits of Project Lator:   My first two pictures with this lens and I've got no idea what I'm doing, but I *like* what a complete idiot can do with this thing  I have a particular 'thing' for screwed balances (weird) and would love to transplant the screwed balance of the older chrono into the Landeron 189 but… we will see. That's with standard settings and manual focus - no manual alteration of aperture etc. yet so I can change the depth of field. Stuart - yes, normally it'd be something I'd be all over, but I've only acquired a DSLR fairly recently (couple of years?) and had so much work on my plate that learning the minutiae of how cameras actually *work* has escaped me. I've always tended to focus (argh) on landscape photography esp. mountains when skiing - and all that needs really is a nice wide angle lens and being in the right place at the right time with the right light (easier in the mountains!). Close up stuff and portrait is proving a right old challenge and I need to learn stuff. So I am. No more messing around when inebriated though, don't want to bust this one!!!!
|
|
|
Stuart
11,283 posts
120 months
PH Director Bloke
|
cyberface said: I've always tended to focus (argh) on landscape photography esp. mountains when skiing - and all that needs really is a nice wide angle lens and being in the right place at the right time with the right light (easier in the mountains!). One for another thread perhaps, but I'd disagree with this, as will you once you play around. For landscape you can do a huge amount with depth of field - and the results from shooting wide open can be as pleasing as they are different from closing down as much as possible to give a DOF from your nose to the horizon. Play around next time you're out, and you'll see what I mean. Pics are good, but they make me feel a bit inebriated with that tilt-shift look. I'd narrow down a little so that the depth of field extends to make the foreground in focus just a little more. The strong bokeh behind to bring out the detail of the movement is pretty bloody good for an inebriated first go though  .
|
|
|
cyberface
Original Poster
12,213 posts
126 months
|
Stuart said: cyberface said: I've always tended to focus (argh) on landscape photography esp. mountains when skiing - and all that needs really is a nice wide angle lens and being in the right place at the right time with the right light (easier in the mountains!). One for another thread perhaps, but I'd disagree with this, as will you once you play around. For landscape you can do a huge amount with depth of field - and the results from shooting wide open can be as pleasing as they are different from closing down as much as possible to give a DOF from your nose to the horizon. Play around next time you're out, and you'll see what I mean. Pics are good, but they make me feel a bit inebriated with that tilt-shift look. I'd narrow down a little so that the depth of field extends to make the foreground in focus just a little more. The strong bokeh behind to bring out the detail of the movement is pretty bloody good for an inebriated first go though  . Sorry, should have said 'all I need really is a…' - absolute statements about a discipline I know bugger-all about are obviously idiotic. I'm just so struck with the beauty of the mountains that all I need is a camera that has a half decent lens and can do VGA resolution  One of my favourites is still from the 'dark ages' of digital photography but the cloud level was below the mountain I was standing on, creating a 'sea of cloud' effect - wonderful, and nothing to do with 'photography' as a skill and artform but just because I was *there*. But as you say, a topic for another thread. Whilst I can still hit the keys I'm aiming at, I'll call it a day because I thought the whole pictures were in focus above - not sure what you mean by 'tilt-shift' Stuart?    
|
|
|
LordGrover
18,601 posts
81 months
|
Are you sure you haven't just been fiddling with tiltshift? ETA: Oops - mentioned already. Here's a linky to a DIY tiltshift site: click.
|
Advertisement
|
|
|
andy_s
8,466 posts
128 months
|
cyberface said: creating a 'sea of cloud' effect Called a 'cloud inversion' in rambler parlance. I saw some 'tilt-shift' stuff for the first time on the BBC's pics of the Monaco Grand Prix I think, very weird yet cool... Fer fecks sake - just as I'm getting to grips with watches the last few days have seen me trawl around for information about cameras now - I really do need to replace the perfectly good Canon ixus I've got with something far more ingenious and interesting. This led me to the Photography sub-forum, this led me to Olympus OM1s (vintage, manual, classic) and then yes, to Hasselblad (visions of Alfie & David Bailey). Once I'd pulled my head out of the clouds I started reading up on micro 4/3rds cameras, and I think, that's where my money will go next...
|
|
|
LordGrover
18,601 posts
81 months
|
andy_s said: Once I'd pulled my head out of the clouds I started reading up on micro 4/3rds cameras, and I think, that's where my money will go next... I have the lumix g1, a nice camera but the range of lenses is limiting. AFAIK there's just the two available, which I have. Also not so good in low light conditions.
|
|
|
Stuart
11,283 posts
120 months
PH Director Bloke
|
Tilt shift is where the plane of focus is tilted across the picture, and it creates a very particular DOF effect where the area all around the area of focus (rather than just in front or behind it) is out of focus. As Andy says, it can create a weird effect much like miniaturisation.  It is traditionally achieved with a special lens which literally tilts on a flexible mount, but can also be done electronically very easily. There's a great iPhone app called TiltShift which lets you play around with the effect.
|
|
|
glazbagun
4,153 posts
66 months
|
I'm on a pretty tight budget at the moment, so sadly can't afford a macro lens or fancy lights, but this is the sort of thing I'll typically get: (Nikon D50 with the Lens that came with it when new, cheap set of macro tubes, florescent desk lamp and wobbly mini tripod, on timer) One problem I consistently have is my images looking too cold. Not sure if this is a white balance issue or if it can't be avoided with a lamp of my type, but the following is after I de-saturated the blue hues in Gimp:  You can see that even at this not particularly close range I have DoF issues, with the dial being clear, but the scratches on the case being ill-defined. The following are of a Smiths stopwatch I'm working on at the moment. I don't know who "serviced" it before, but it stands as a fine example of why the Squirt of WD-40 Method isn't to be reccomended. At least it wasn't in danger of rusting!  Crud sticking to everything= shorter life for the watch. Ironically, due to oil being everywhere, capilliary action actually draws oil away from the places where it really needs to be and increases wear.  And here we see it sticking the coils of the hairspring together. This stopwatch was counting a minute in under 36 seconds (!), and required a shake to get it going, since the coils had pulled the balance so far out of beat. But again- though these shots are great for documenting what I'm looking at- they're too cold looking for, say, a sales image. Could this be fixed with a simple lamp swap? Or should I just get better at image editing?
|
|
|
NeMiSiS
3,688 posts
44 months
|
[quote=glazbagun]   They are really good, I can see all the finery clearly, its just the subject matter that is shoddy why do people do that spray oil thing ?.
|
|
|
Odie
3,650 posts
51 months
|
Im the op their is mention of a app for iphone 4 that is better than the standard camera app so, any app recommendations?
|
|
|
NeMiSiS
3,688 posts
44 months
|
Odie said: In the original post there is mention of an application for iphone 4 that is better than the standard camera application, so any application recommendations, please? I think you are refering to CyberFace, I have not seen him post for a while, maybe busy with work/motorbikes, but I'm sure if you PM him he will point you in the right direction.
|
|
|
wong
184 posts
85 months
|
Backgrounds....no one's mentioned them yet.
Eg. Diving watch - something diving related in the background, strapped around diving equipment or place the watch on an old map. chrono - old car brochure/magazine cover. ladies dress watch - beside other jewelry.
Diamond encrusted Daytona - on a (slightly out of focus) pile of cash.
|
|
|
Stuart
11,283 posts
120 months
PH Director Bloke
|
Backgrounds - most people here make do with a (completely in focus) background of their work keyboard behind their (completely out of focus) wristwatch. Lunch optional.
|
|
|
andy tims
3,597 posts
115 months
|
|
|
Dominic H
2,720 posts
101 months
|
|
|
rottie102
2,522 posts
53 months
|
The second one is brilliant! One of those "Damn, why didn't I think of it?!  "
|
|
|
ThatPhilBrettGuy
11,513 posts
109 months
|
rottie102 said: The second one is brilliant! One of those "Damn, why didn't I think of it?!  " Just get good at photoshop. It's not real (the water anyway).
|
|
|
rottie102
2,522 posts
53 months
|
ThatPhilBrettGuy said: rottie102 said: The second one is brilliant! One of those "Damn, why didn't I think of it?!  " Just get good at photoshop. It's not real (the water anyway). It's not about the execution, I know I could take a similar one. It's about the idea. I don't like being a copycat 
|
|
|
AlexC1981
1,291 posts
86 months
|
I only started taking watch photos because of the wrist check thread, so mine are mostly wrist shots. The most important thing that I have learnt is just take loads of photos. Quickly snap off 70 or so shots and if you're lucky 2 or 3 might be ok. A tripod is really useful when photographing indoors. Watch out for your own silly face reflecting off the dial 
|
|