Post amazingly cool pictures of aircraft (Volume 3)

Post amazingly cool pictures of aircraft (Volume 3)

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DodgyGeezer

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190 months

Saturday 6th April
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xeny

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78 months

Saturday 6th April
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heisthegaffer said:
Can you imagine what it was like scampering about Germany finding these Wierd planes.
You can get some idea by reading one of Winkle's books - I'd guess it was :Wings of the Luftwaffe: . He talks about negotiating with ground crews to get planes pre-flighted enough to get to a UK airfield, asking how many hours are on the extremely unreliable jet engines etc.

havoc

30,073 posts

235 months

Saturday 6th April
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DodgyGeezer said:
Not QUITE a P51. It's a 3/4 scale replica with a smaller (but still sizeable) V12, and a 3-bladed prop.

These images hopefully give you a better idea.





Still bloody cool (and not slow), and if I ever find time, funds and motivation to not just do my PPL but actually get good, it'd be top of my wish-list, and sod carrying passengers! biggrin

aeropilot

34,630 posts

227 months

Saturday 6th April
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xeny said:
heisthegaffer said:
Can you imagine what it was like scampering about Germany finding these Wierd planes.
You can get some idea by reading one of Winkle's books - I'd guess it was :Wings of the Luftwaffe: . He talks about negotiating with ground crews to get planes pre-flighted enough to get to a UK airfield, asking how many hours are on the extremely unreliable jet engines etc.
Yep, probably the best account that exists, I remember reading it about 40 years ago.
Also, there's a book about Watsons Whizzers which is about the USAAF equivalent unit.

hidetheelephants

24,406 posts

193 months

Saturday 6th April
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heisthegaffer said:
aeropilot said:
xeny said:
How many Mistels were captured? I was assuming they were relatively rare beasts.
Germany built about 250 of them.

We (British Forces) found 6 of them at least, 4 of them in Denmark, and 2 others in Germany.

US forces discovered a number of them as well.
Can you imagine what it was like scampering about Germany finding these Wierd planes.
Mostly fun, with 1% terror.

heisthegaffer

3,418 posts

198 months

Sunday 7th April
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aeropilot said:
xeny said:
heisthegaffer said:
Can you imagine what it was like scampering about Germany finding these Wierd planes.
You can get some idea by reading one of Winkle's books - I'd guess it was :Wings of the Luftwaffe: . He talks about negotiating with ground crews to get planes pre-flighted enough to get to a UK airfield, asking how many hours are on the extremely unreliable jet engines etc.
Yep, probably the best account that exists, I remember reading it about 40 years ago.
Also, there's a book about Watsons Whizzers which is about the USAAF equivalent unit.
Thanks both

MartG

20,683 posts

204 months

Sunday 7th April
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Ugliest plane ever ?



PZL, or the Polish State Aircraft Factory, is today known for its extremely aerodynamic and high performance gliders, but back in the era of Socialism, things like “fuel economy”, “aesthetics”, “performance” or “usefulness” were not in high importance.

Instead, USSR told PZL to build a successor for Antonov An-2 agricultural biplane. They were told to build it around a Ivchenko-Progress AI-25 jet engine - the same of Aero L-39 Albatros.

Now jet engines make sense only on two things - one is altitude and the other is speed. In all other purposes, propeller is the way to go. The engineers at PZL said “no, we cannot do that - we should try a turboprop or piston engine instead” - but in Socialism, the comrades decide and engineers - those questionable semi-intellectual three-quarter dissidents - do as they are told. Accordingly, the design team were compelled to use such an engine due to political factors rather than practical ones. So they designed the world’s only biplane jet crop duster.

But this sensemaking of speed and altitude obviously didn't translate to the M-15, whose top speed of 120 knots would get walked by a briskly-driven VW Golf with a long enough runway. Crop dusting isn’t exactly a high altitude task either. Having two sets of wings, the M-15 had an exceptionally slow stall speed of 67 knots, and it was described pleasant to fly. But even as the production-grade M-15 made its maiden flight on May 20th, 1973, it was clear proceedings wouldn't go smoothly.

Many problems were had by ground crews with the M-15's turbojet engine. For some context, the Antonov An-2's Shvetsov engine was developed from the American Wright R-1820 Cyclone of World War II fame. Therefore, they could typically be fixed with the toolset you'd use to repair a tractor engine. By comparison, Polish farmers found the more complicated turbofans in the M-15 to be a maintenance nightmare. Who could blame them, after all? They're not aviation mechanics, just humble farmers.

Moreover, the engineers at PZL were not completely humourless cogwheel brains. They named the M-15 as Belphegor - the Demon of Vile Noises in the Catholic mythology. PZL M-15 was just as noisy as its namesake. The engineers knew this contraption was meant to convert fuel into noise, and it got its name to reflect the function. It has been one of the noisiest aircraft ever.

In the end, Soviet and Polish aviation officials determined that not only was the Bephegor pretty much useless at crop dusting but also that the venerable An-2, indeed, could operate indefinitely.

Even in 2024, upgrade programs to retrofit classic An-2s with newer, more efficient engines and fancy avionics upgrades continue to succeed in places where more expensive Western aircraft aren't an option. The type is even still in production, under license in China. Meanwhile, the Polish M-15's production wouldn't even make it ten years. The type was discontinued in 1981 without pomp or circumstance, with a measly 175 units built. The type was never operated outside of the Soviet Union or Poland. There are no airworthy Belphegors any more, but several have survived in museums.

hidetheelephants

24,406 posts

193 months

Sunday 7th April
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Should have reengineered it with a pusher turboprop.

Speed 3

4,573 posts

119 months

Tuesday 9th April
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Courtesy of Red Bull:


mylesmcd

2,535 posts

219 months

Wednesday 10th April
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Ball turret trainer/simulator at Harlingen Air Force Base, Texas. January 11, 1945. It looks as though the rails on the floor may have carried "targets" for the gunners to track, mimicking the movements of enemy fighters.

Shamelessly stolen from FB.

MartG

20,683 posts

204 months

Saturday 13th April
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An oldie...

10:08 June 30th 1973, Concorde 001


DodgyGeezer

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190 months

Saturday 13th April
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Mr Dendrite

2,315 posts

210 months

Sunday 14th April
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Eric Mc said:
The dorsal air intake reminds me of this -

Avro 707B
From my father’s log book in 1956 while at empire test pilots school.
Only got to fly it once as shortly after this someone pranged it.


DodgyGeezer

40,487 posts

190 months

Sunday 14th April
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aeropilot

34,630 posts

227 months

Sunday 14th April
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Mr Dendrite said:
Avro 707B
From my father’s log book in 1956 while at empire test pilots school.
Only got to fly it once as shortly after this someone pranged it.

Very cool cool

That Hunter 1 WT572 in his log a few below the 707, was a well known machine that served at ETPS, and was finished in an overall silver finish. It was the 18th production Hunter built.

Eric Mc

122,038 posts

265 months

Monday 15th April
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Mr Dendrite said:
Avro 707B
From my father’s log book in 1956 while at empire test pilots school.
Only got to fly it once as shortly after this someone pranged it.

A lot more impressive than my log book.

Mr Dendrite

2,315 posts

210 months

Monday 15th April
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Thank you both. interesting about the Hunter. My father was a very modest man who rarely told stories about his flying years. But there are 8 volumes of log books like that.
The list of what he flew is extraordinary.

hidetheelephants

24,406 posts

193 months

Monday 15th April
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Short of marrying Kermit Weeks attending the ETPS is probably the best way to have an logbook full of interesting planes.

Eric Mc

122,038 posts

265 months

Monday 15th April
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Or be Eric Brown.

Mr Dendrite

2,315 posts

210 months

Monday 15th April
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Eric Brown’s record is extraordinary. Somewhere near 500 isn’t it? I’m sure Eric will know?
My father and a friend of his were both on 208 squadron and both went on 15 course ETPS.
Des Penrose then went to experimentally test pilot and ended up with over 300 types, my father went operational conversion/maintenance and then civil with 208 types.
The numbers are crazy by today’s standards and it’s also the enormous numbers of each type. I intend to put it all into a spreadsheet sometime but there must 50 to 100 Meteors, similar with Hunter.