Train coaches overcrowded

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Alickadoo

1,705 posts

23 months

Saturday 18th November 2023
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Is it normal practice for people to sit in a seat that is reserved - to someone else?

If so what do you do? "Oy you are in my seat, move?"

the-norseman

12,444 posts

171 months

Saturday 18th November 2023
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Yeh it is these days and the truth is, if somebody is in your seat and you say move and they say no, there isn't much else you can do really. Its not like you have actually paid for the reservation, they are done automatically by AWC.

The Gauge

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1,896 posts

13 months

Saturday 18th November 2023
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Alickadoo said:
Is it normal practice for people to sit in a seat that is reserved - to someone else?

If so what do you do? "Oy you are in my seat, move?"
I never remember to look at the tiny screen above the seat to see if it's reserved, i'm normally too pleased to have found an empty seat I just jump in it. Then I realise I haven't checked and often have to do the 'standing up of shame' to check.

Occasionally the screens aren't working and then it's a gamble if your sat in someones seat.

When it used to be the paper ticket stuck into the top of each reserved seat it was much more obvious. But then I used to choose the seat I want, and move the reserved ticket onto another seat.

The Gauge

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1,896 posts

13 months

Saturday 9th December 2023
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Got two more visits to 'that there London' scheduled with tickets booked with East Midlands Railways, so I'm interested id seeing how the overcrowded situation is.

By the way, if anyone wants to know when the trains are next striking, it will be on those two days i'm going to London!!!

AngryYorkshireman

112 posts

45 months

Saturday 9th December 2023
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I've given up using the train. Thankfully don't need to use for work.
Constantly on strike whenever I've tried to travel over the last year. Some of these "workers" need to get a grip on reality and why they have a well paid job. Honestly most of the "service" is a complete joke.
I'll drive or take the bus. If there's more than one of you it's usually a lot cheaper to drive anyway.
Family member has to use it to get home from uni. Last time was 2hrs late on a 1h15min journey. Couldn't even get on the first 2 trains they were so full. God knows what they deem as a service being late as well - train they actually managed to get on - listed as being "on time" all the way until it arrived at the destination 20 minutes late.
Just a complete p@ss take by the companies involved.
Was just the same when I tried to commute from Huddersfield to Leeds 25 years ago - cancel stuff, cram people in yada yada.


Terry Winks

1,189 posts

13 months

Friday 5th January
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Alickadoo said:
Is it normal practice for people to sit in a seat that is reserved - to someone else?

If so what do you do? "Oy you are in my seat, move?"
Yes, frequently.

Mercdriver

2,001 posts

33 months

Thursday 11th April
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Train down to Newcastle from Dundee for our 52nd wedding anniversary. Used a travel agent and thought will try first class to see if it was worth it. Someone in our reserved seats, politely asked them to move, no problem so far good

Azuma LNER train on the Sunday, pretty busy but comfortable, different menu at weekend no bacon rolls but the pastrami sandwich was excellent, moist and tasted good. Plenty to drink both soft, hot and alcoholic, white Rioja was OK. Does it travel well I asked the wine waiter? He joined in with a witty answer.

Arrived on time too, so pleased.

Return journey even better, not busy six people in first, piping hot tasty roll rammed with bacon, excellent.
Coffee etc and soft drinks but no alcohol as it was too early for lunch menu. Arrived 30 minutes late because of the bad weather in borders but spent waiting time for Dundee train in first class lounge so no problem.

Seats on azuma OK for two three hours but don’t know if they are worn out or always been like that think more than three hours they would get uncomfortable.

Would I use first class again? Probably, we got a cheap deal and got value for what we paid but if they were too expensive would probably travel cattle class.

Good programme on ch 5 tonight comparing flying with train travel, worth a look on catchup, bit unfortunate one of the presenters trains was cancelled so not exactly a fair comparison. Think it depends on how far you are from station and airport at both ends. At least no two hours before nonsense and disrobing before getting on flight. Time the train companies were sorting out their prices you need a phd in maths to work out the best price.

“If you have time to spare go by air” smile

surveyor

17,831 posts

184 months

Thursday 11th April
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Mercdriver said:
Train down to Newcastle from Dundee for our 52nd wedding anniversary. Used a travel agent and thought will try first class to see if it was worth it. Someone in our reserved seats, politely asked them to move, no problem so far good

Azuma LNER train on the Sunday, pretty busy but comfortable, different menu at weekend no bacon rolls but the pastrami sandwich was excellent, moist and tasted good. Plenty to drink both soft, hot and alcoholic, white Rioja was OK. Does it travel well I asked the wine waiter? He joined in with a witty answer.

Arrived on time too, so pleased.

Return journey even better, not busy six people in first, piping hot tasty roll rammed with bacon, excellent.
Coffee etc and soft drinks but no alcohol as it was too early for lunch menu. Arrived 30 minutes late because of the bad weather in borders but spent waiting time for Dundee train in first class lounge so no problem.

Seats on azuma OK for two three hours but don’t know if they are worn out or always been like that think more than three hours they would get uncomfortable.

Would I use first class again? Probably, we got a cheap deal and got value for what we paid but if they were too expensive would probably travel cattle class.

Good programme on ch 5 tonight comparing flying with train travel, worth a look on catchup, bit unfortunate one of the presenters trains was cancelled so not exactly a fair comparison. Think it depends on how far you are from station and airport at both ends. At least no two hours before nonsense and disrobing before getting on flight. Time the train companies were sorting out their prices you need a phd in maths to work out the best price.

“If you have time to spare go by air” smile
The overcrowding to my mind is a specific cross country problem. And only in standard.

LNER first class is generally good but the Azuma seating is terrible across the board. The still have older 225 operating south of Leeds and I’ll deliberately aim for one of those if I think I might be able to grab an upgrade..

Azuma’s AC always seems to be too hot also.

Chrisgr31

13,483 posts

255 months

Friday 12th April
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Mercdriver said:
Arrived 30 minutes late because of the bad weather in borders but spent waiting time for Dundee train in first class lounge so no problem.
Did you keep your tickets, or can otherwise evidence travel on that train? If so have a go at claiming delay repay. If it really was poor weather they might say you can’t but worth a go.

CouncilFerrari

549 posts

57 months

Friday 12th April
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I've been commuting to Aberdeen from Scarborough by road for the past few years, but thought I'd give the train a go.

First journey was faultless, ontime and not too crowded. Scarborough - Aberdeen.

The return leg was cancelled at Newcastle as all lines South were blocked, meaning I had to spend the night in Newcastle. Ticket refunded, but not the hotel cost.

The second trip to Aberdeen was onboard an LNER Azuma, badly delayed and then ultimately cancelled at Edinburgh. I had to wait at Edinburgh for an hour and eventually got to Aberdeen 3 hours later than I should have, at about 0010. Ticket refunded, but that didn't help getting up for work the next day.

I'll be doing the return leg on the 2nd May, I'm already dreading it.

Mercdriver

2,001 posts

33 months

Friday 12th April
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Chrisgr31 said:
Did you keep your tickets, or can otherwise evidence travel on that train? If so have a go at claiming delay repay. If it really was poor weather they might say you can’t but worth a go.
Thanks for the thought but I can’t be ar$ed, retired so not in a hurry, quite relaxing in first class lounge so not really inconvenienced. Just finished dispute with KLM regarding getting to gate and being refused entry because the stupid computer shows £30 outstanding, I bought holiday through a travel agent, unbelievably bad service from KLM with their staff unable to read, understand and follow my complaint.

Took six months to get my money back, worse service than Ryanair.

monkfish1

11,070 posts

224 months

Friday 12th April
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CouncilFerrari said:
I've been commuting to Aberdeen from Scarborough by road for the past few years, but thought I'd give the train a go.

First journey was faultless, ontime and not too crowded. Scarborough - Aberdeen.

The return leg was cancelled at Newcastle as all lines South were blocked, meaning I had to spend the night in Newcastle. Ticket refunded, but not the hotel cost.

The second trip to Aberdeen was onboard an LNER Azuma, badly delayed and then ultimately cancelled at Edinburgh. I had to wait at Edinburgh for an hour and eventually got to Aberdeen 3 hours later than I should have, at about 0010. Ticket refunded, but that didn't help getting up for work the next day.

I'll be doing the return leg on the 2nd May, I'm already dreading it.
Time to get the car out id suggest?

The Gauge

Original Poster:

1,896 posts

13 months

Saturday 13th April
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I upgraded to first class recently on my return train from Londinium to Sheffield. Enjoyable enough, though the coach was almost full. The trolley came down the coach with sandwiches, drinks, snacks etc. Then later on it came down again so I grabbed more.

The only problem was that I couldn't be arsed to leave my seat to inspect the cattle class coaches to see if they were overcrowded, which I really ought to have done as that could have provided even more satisfaction smile

CouncilFerrari

549 posts

57 months

Saturday 13th April
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monkfish1 said:
Time to get the car out id suggest?
Sadly, I think so too.

Terry Winks

1,189 posts

13 months

Saturday 13th April
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I have just changed jobs and one of the main factors for changing has been the state of GWR between Bristol and London which I have been doing twice a week. The service is just completely in the bin, cancelled trains, power line faults, lack of drivers, nearly every train I get is delayed or has half the capacity it should have. And now, if I don't book 7 weeks in advance its £135 return, for an 80 mile 1 hour 15 minute journey.

Absolutely ridiculous