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colin79666

1,823 posts

113 months

Friday 8th March
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Max 8 suffers stuck rudder pedals on landing: https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense...

Could have been nasty, sounds like the captain was pilot flying and therefore had the nose wheel tiller within reach to regain some steering control.

CardinalBlue

839 posts

77 months

Tuesday 12th March
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Conspiracy theories in 5…4….3….

A former Boeing employee known for raising concerns about the firm's production standards has been found dead in the US.

Boeing whistleblower found dead in US https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68534703

s1962a

5,322 posts

162 months

Tuesday 12th March
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CardinalBlue said:
Conspiracy theories in 5…4….3….

A former Boeing employee known for raising concerns about the firm's production standards has been found dead in the US.

Boeing whistleblower found dead in US https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68534703
article said:
It said the 62-year-old had died from a "self-inflicted" wound on 9 March and police were investigating.
Like something out of a Bourne movie

ChemicalChaos

10,395 posts

160 months

Tuesday 12th March
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My gast will be flabbered if the police are allowed to find any evidence of foul play here


DanL

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6,216 posts

265 months

Tuesday 12th March
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ChemicalChaos said:
My gast will be flabbered if the police are allowed to find any evidence of foul play here

Well, you’ve already assumed there’s evidence to be found it seems. biggrin

This is ripe for conspiracy theories, obviously… Is it possible he killed himself for some reason? If the answer is yes, evidently there will be some people who won’t believe that.

captain_cynic

12,021 posts

95 months

Tuesday 12th March
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DanL said:
ChemicalChaos said:
My gast will be flabbered if the police are allowed to find any evidence of foul play here

Well, you’ve already assumed there’s evidence to be found it seems. biggrin

This is ripe for conspiracy theories, obviously… Is it possible he killed himself for some reason? If the answer is yes, evidently there will be some people who won’t believe that.
When it comes to suicide we're not really looking for evidence (I mean we already have the body and weapon) rather we're looking for motive and opportunity.

Did the deceased have cause to harm themselves?
Did anyone wish the deceased harm (threats, rivalries)?
Any evidence of foul play?

Obviously it's suspect if a healthy and happy person takes their life, however what if they were depressed, had money troubles or a serious illness?

I don't think many details will be forthcoming in respect of the victim, hence it'll be ripe grounds for conspiracy theories.

Seasonal Hero

7,954 posts

52 months

Monday 25th March
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Some heads are finally rolling

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68656925

MB140

4,070 posts

103 months

Monday 25th March
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Seasonal Hero said:
Some heads are finally rolling

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68656925
Although not stated no doubt with huge payouts that would set most people up for the rest of their lives.

GliderRider

2,100 posts

81 months

Monday 25th March
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Stephanie Pope, who is taking over as CEO of Boeing Commercial Airplane Division, has a BA in Accounting and an MBA. You would think by now Boeing might be thinking that a boss with a qualification in aeronautical engineering or even quality control might be more appropriate?

Who is Stephanie Pope

IanH755

1,861 posts

120 months

Monday 25th March
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GliderRider said:
You would think by now Boeing might be thinking that a boss with a qualification in aeronautical engineering or even quality control might be more appropriate?
They can't because they don't have anyone with that background in a position to take the role, those with it are still "lower" in the corporate chain and wouldn't be able to make the jump to CEO so the option would be someone external coming in and that'll not happen!!!

Seasonal Hero

7,954 posts

52 months

Monday 25th March
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Matt Stoller wrote this in 2019 FFS - and still it goes on:

https://www.thebignewsletter.com/p/the-coming-boei...

captain_cynic

12,021 posts

95 months

Monday 25th March
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GliderRider said:
Stephanie Pope, who is taking over as CEO of Boeing Commercial Airplane Division, has a BA in Accounting and an MBA. You would think by now Boeing might be thinking that a boss with a qualification in aeronautical engineering or even quality control might be more appropriate?

Who is Stephanie Pope
Shuffling deck chairs about.

The idea that you can just magically fix all the problems (that being the share price to MBAs) by just replacing a CEO.

Bet Calhoun still got his golden parachute.

GliderRider

2,100 posts

81 months

Monday 25th March
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Seasonal Hero said:
Matt Stoller wrote this in 2019 FFS - and still it goes on:

https://www.thebignewsletter.com/p/the-coming-boei...
Seasonal Hero,thank you for posting that. It does seem that Boeing are incapable of relearning how to build aeroplanes properly.

Teddy Lop

8,294 posts

67 months

Monday 25th March
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GliderRider said:
Seasonal Hero said:
Matt Stoller wrote this in 2019 FFS - and still it goes on:

https://www.thebignewsletter.com/p/the-coming-boei...
Seasonal Hero,thank you for posting that. It does seem that Boeing are incapable of relearning how to build aeroplanes properly.
I won't post any links as it's something likely to divide along political tribalism lines than the pure engineering discussion, but I'm hearing Boeing have gone huge on DEI, with bonuses only if DEI targets are met in recruitment etc. This is after laying off a stack of skilled/experienced people at the start of the lurghicrisis and then needing to recruit big numbers to replace them in a hurry.

hidetheelephants

24,398 posts

193 months

Monday 25th March
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Seasonal Hero said:
Matt Stoller wrote this in 2019 FFS - and still it goes on:

https://www.thebignewsletter.com/p/the-coming-boei...
While something clearly ails Boeing a journalist who calls Sprey and Spinney aeroengineers is not doing their homework.

DanL

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6,216 posts

265 months

Monday 25th March
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Teddy Lop said:
GliderRider said:
Seasonal Hero said:
Matt Stoller wrote this in 2019 FFS - and still it goes on:

https://www.thebignewsletter.com/p/the-coming-boei...
Seasonal Hero,thank you for posting that. It does seem that Boeing are incapable of relearning how to build aeroplanes properly.
I won't post any links as it's something likely to divide along political tribalism lines than the pure engineering discussion, but I'm hearing Boeing have gone huge on DEI, with bonuses only if DEI targets are met in recruitment etc. This is after laying off a stack of skilled/experienced people at the start of the lurghicrisis and then needing to recruit big numbers to replace them in a hurry.
You know, it is possible to hit DEI targets and hire fully qualified people…

Teddy Lop

8,294 posts

67 months

Monday 25th March
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DanL said:
Teddy Lop said:
GliderRider said:
Seasonal Hero said:
Matt Stoller wrote this in 2019 FFS - and still it goes on:

https://www.thebignewsletter.com/p/the-coming-boei...
Seasonal Hero,thank you for posting that. It does seem that Boeing are incapable of relearning how to build aeroplanes properly.
I won't post any links as it's something likely to divide along political tribalism lines than the pure engineering discussion, but I'm hearing Boeing have gone huge on DEI, with bonuses only if DEI targets are met in recruitment etc. This is after laying off a stack of skilled/experienced people at the start of the lurghicrisis and then needing to recruit big numbers to replace them in a hurry.
You know, it is possible to hit DEI targets and hire fully qualified people…
A lot of things are possible.

Unfortunately sensible discussions around this specific on open internet forums in this age probably isn't one of them. I plopped it there as I've heard some interesting stuff, Others may wish to look. Any further thought is probably best shoved over to NPE, colours adorned, and prams loaded with toys.

DanL

Original Poster:

6,216 posts

265 months

Monday 25th March
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Teddy Lop said:
DanL said:
Teddy Lop said:
GliderRider said:
Seasonal Hero said:
Matt Stoller wrote this in 2019 FFS - and still it goes on:

https://www.thebignewsletter.com/p/the-coming-boei...
Seasonal Hero,thank you for posting that. It does seem that Boeing are incapable of relearning how to build aeroplanes properly.
I won't post any links as it's something likely to divide along political tribalism lines than the pure engineering discussion, but I'm hearing Boeing have gone huge on DEI, with bonuses only if DEI targets are met in recruitment etc. This is after laying off a stack of skilled/experienced people at the start of the lurghicrisis and then needing to recruit big numbers to replace them in a hurry.
You know, it is possible to hit DEI targets and hire fully qualified people…
A lot of things are possible.

Unfortunately sensible discussions around this specific on open internet forums in this age probably isn't one of them. I plopped it there as I've heard some interesting stuff, Others may wish to look. Any further thought is probably best shoved over to NPE, colours adorned, and prams loaded with toys.
Sensible discussions are entirely possible. What is it about DEI targets that relates to Boeing’s current troubles, in your view?

Do you believe they would be doing better with fewer minorities? If not, why raise DEI hiring in this context? If you believe they would be doing better, I’d love to understand the rationale.

IanH755

1,861 posts

120 months

Tuesday 26th March
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DanL said:
Teddy Lop said:
DanL said:
Teddy Lop said:
GliderRider said:
Seasonal Hero said:
Matt Stoller wrote this in 2019 FFS - and still it goes on:

https://www.thebignewsletter.com/p/the-coming-boei...
Seasonal Hero,thank you for posting that. It does seem that Boeing are incapable of relearning how to build aeroplanes properly.
I won't post any links as it's something likely to divide along political tribalism lines than the pure engineering discussion, but I'm hearing Boeing have gone huge on DEI, with bonuses only if DEI targets are met in recruitment etc. This is after laying off a stack of skilled/experienced people at the start of the lurghicrisis and then needing to recruit big numbers to replace them in a hurry.
You know, it is possible to hit DEI targets and hire fully qualified people…
A lot of things are possible.

Unfortunately sensible discussions around this specific on open internet forums in this age probably isn't one of them. I plopped it there as I've heard some interesting stuff, Others may wish to look. Any further thought is probably best shoved over to NPE, colours adorned, and prams loaded with toys.
Sensible discussions are entirely possible. What is it about DEI targets that relates to Boeing’s current troubles, in your view?

Do you believe they would be doing better with fewer minorities? If not, why raise DEI hiring in this context? If you believe they would be doing better, I’d love to understand the rationale.
I would suggest that, to use your term "hiring minorities" that are suitably qualified and experienced isn't the issue that concerns people, but rather the desire to hit quotas "forcing" managers to hire less qualified or experienced people just to hit DEI quota's.

Now, in reality how accurate that statement actually is at Boeing's recruitment coal face I've absolutely zero idea, all I can point to is examples of this happening when targets are set which can't be achieved normally and so, for financial/reputational reasons, "targets will be hit" becomes a relaxation of the rules to achieve the targets.

Most recently we've seen this with the RAF where the "we won't fail" attitude of very high up leadership was causing lower leadership positions to carry out practices which were found to bend if not fully break employment laws, leading to multiple payouts to those effected.

wisbech

2,980 posts

121 months

Wednesday 27th March
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DanL said:
Sensible discussions are entirely possible. What is it about DEI targets that relates to Boeing’s current troubles, in your view?

Do you believe they would be doing better with fewer minorities? If not, why raise DEI hiring in this context? If you believe they would be doing better, I’d love to understand the rationale.
If an engineering based firm isn't hiring as many people as they can from IIT (elite engineering colleges in India) they are probably doing something wrong. Boeing have already got 6,000 employees in India (mostly in Bangalore) working on engineering & IT