737 max loses window
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wisbech said:
If an engineering based firm isn't hiring as many people as they can from IIT (elite engineering colleges in India) they are probably doing something wrong. Boeing have already got 6,000 employees in India (mostly in Bangalore) working on engineering & IT
There are many cracking grads coming out of the Indian system. My only slight concern being that in my experience (and more on the IT than Engineering projects) Indians can have a frustrating habit of telling you what they think you want to hear i.e. "yes that is possible / will be done" then several weeks/months later they finally admit it was never possible. I think it's a home-based management culture thing, especially with offshoring by western companies, you don't see it as much when they are working in other countries. Not a culture Boeing needs at this exact moment in time.
“Audio released after Southwest Airlines Flight 3695 was forced to make an emergency landing after its engine cowling detached during takeoff.”
https://x.com/collinrugg/status/177703615406977474...
https://x.com/collinrugg/status/177703615406977474...
CardinalBlue said:
“Audio released after Southwest Airlines Flight 3695 was forced to make an emergency landing after its engine cowling detached during takeoff.”
https://x.com/collinrugg/status/177703615406977474...
That's an 800 not a Max and will be a maintenance error. The A320 family has suffered far more fan cowl departures than the 737 to be fair.https://x.com/collinrugg/status/177703615406977474...
CardinalBlue said:
“Audio released after Southwest Airlines Flight 3695 was forced to make an emergency landing after its engine cowling detached during takeoff.”
https://x.com/collinrugg/status/177703615406977474...
The Times has an article with a click bait headline (Boeing plane in another scare type thing); this has got nothing to do with Boeing and everything to do with Southwest maintenance (which they have admitted). People can criticise Boeing for many things, but not for a Southwest engineer forgetting to close the latches on the cowling.https://x.com/collinrugg/status/177703615406977474...
tim0409 said:
The Times has an article with a click bait headline (Boeing plane in another scare type thing); this has got nothing to do with Boeing and everything to do with Southwest maintenance (which they have admitted). People can criticise Boeing for many things, but not for a Southwest engineer forgetting to close the latches on the cowling.
not the first time cowlings haven't been latched - my bonnet on my car will bong if it's not shut properly - dont aircraft have the same thing?
eliot said:
not the first time cowlings haven't been latched - my bonnet on my car will bong if it's not shut properly - dont aircraft have the same thing?
In principle they could do, but then you would also need an annunciator showing "COWLING BONG INOP" if the cowling bong was borked, and those cost money. In reports I have seen the latch was fully closed but the hook on the other door had been been damaged meaning the door looked to be locked but wasn't holding on correctly.
A320neo aircraft have a sensor system in place that identified the latch not closed correctly on the ECAM system for both engine types.
A320neo aircraft have a sensor system in place that identified the latch not closed correctly on the ECAM system for both engine types.
DanL said:
ou know, it is possible to hit DEI targets and hire fully qualified people…
Qualified is the absolute bare minimum to be considered for a role. There are some well qualified idiots in the world who can pass an exam but make a right mess of things in the real world. What they should be looking to recruit is the absolute best of the best regardless of age, gender, ethnicity, sexual orientation etc the recruiting process should be completely blind to all of that and seek out the best engineers possible regardless. Adding other quotas, criteria and targets can only dilute the end result, not help it.With having had diversity targets for decades now even on paper experience can be misleading, it can be skewed because someone can be poorly performing but unfireable in a role in a big company for a long long time because of their protected characteristics.
Edited by OldGermanHeaps on Tuesday 9th April 17:29
OldGermanHeaps said:
DanL said:
ou know, it is possible to hit DEI targets and hire fully qualified people…
Qualified is the absolute bare minimum to be considered for a role. There are some well qualified idiots in the world who can pass an exam but make a right mess of things in the real world. What they should be looking to recruit is the absolute best of the best regardless of age, gender, ethnicity, sexual orientation etc the recruiting process should be completely blind to all of that and seek out the best engineers possible regardless. Adding other quotas, criteria and targets can only dilute the end result, not help it.With having had diversity targets for decades now even on paper experience can be misleading, it can be skewed because someone can be poorly performing but unfireable in a role in a big company for a long long time because of their protected characteristics.
Edited by OldGermanHeaps on Tuesday 9th April 17:29
All you actually need is someone good enough, who will work well with the team - it’s generally accepted that someone like that is preferable to a superstar who can’t work with anyone else. Of course the ideal is the star player who is great in a team, but good luck finding them.
It’s also entirely untrue to say it’s impossible to fire people. Anyone can be managed out of a company following a PIP and the company process - it just requires willingness to do so. People with protected characteristics are no harder to get rid of than anyone else who under performs if processes are followed, and they always should be.
Edit: the above is for the UK. In the USA, where there’s much more of a hire / fire at will set up, it really shouldn’t be a concern.
Another Boeing in the news 
Emergency slide deployed in flight
https://nos.nl/artikel/2518385-noodglijbaan-valt-v...
And just this morning a 757 was forced to return to Manchester due to a reported 'door issue'
Emergency slide deployed in flighthttps://nos.nl/artikel/2518385-noodglijbaan-valt-v...
And just this morning a 757 was forced to return to Manchester due to a reported 'door issue'
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