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tuscaneer
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hornet said: Gompo said: Cant get your first video to work, Hornet.
Ramesses I dont see anything particularly special with and are easily big/well known enough already.
Not heard of Fury UK before, sounds reasonable although nothing new.
I'm not trying to be one of those 'different = good' people, as it rarely does, and most of my favourite newer artists for the most part copying other more established acts. However, I was asking the question of new/different bands as opposed to those just playing the same old as they're rather rare.
Ted Maul are probably my favourite, although not a lot of their stuff is 100% original it's atleast not been done by many bands. I'll admit to being somewhat out of the loop on very new stuff, partly because it does nothing for me, and I guess partly because my tastes have changed. Just found it odd that anyone could get overly excited by the sort of stuff Tesseract are playing, as an hour or two of Scuzz would throw up numerous other bands who all sound exactly like that. Sounds far too calculated to my ears, almost as if it's derived from an equation. I also really dislike that vocal style. First video was Blutvial. Probably not a decent comparison, as it's not exactly mainstream metal, but I just find it far more interesting, as it has proper feeling and atmosphere to it, even if that feeling and atmosphere is mostly old Darkthrone. that blutival sounds like old grindcore (die 116 etc.) i tried an experiment the other night.set the sky box to record one of the late night "extreme" shows on scuzz and spent an hour scanning through all the stuff.couldn`t find one soundalike to tesseract.frankly, there is a lot of s  tty sounding blast beat stuff and the odd band that sound musically ok but ruin it with this super gruff vocal style(like old nile or suffocation) i think a lot of my problem with much of these bands is the tunings.i always had a 6 string gibson les paul and could get as low as detune by 2 steps and then drop the e string(which is now D)a further 2 steps to C.in my day this was a very low tuning(until sepultura and korn went mad!).any lower than this and the whole affair sounds a mess.there is no tightness to the sound.if you want to get lower than C you need to dip your toe into the realms of 7 and 8 string guitars. there is some fantastic solo guitar stuff up on you tube of dino from fear factory/divine heresy with super low tunings on an ibanez 7 string. on the whole very dissapointed with all of these bands on scuzz on saturday night.fat blokes dressed as pirates,women painted up like zombies and singing like a cat coughing up fur balls.although i`ve come across them before, bring me the horizon sounded pretty good.
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tuscaneer
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tuscaneer
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two tracks off the new deftones album above.this to me is "heavy".f king superb and really weighty. i am enjoying this thread ,it`s got me thinking as to perceptions of what is heavy or not.some of that stuff that is supposed to be heavy to me actually sounds properly nuts and chaotic but not especially heavy.too "pinched " on the higher tuned stuff and too fuzzy on the lower stuff.
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JaymzDead
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tuscaneer said: two tracks off the new deftones album above.this to me is "heavy".f king superb and really weighty. i am enjoying this thread ,it`s got me thinking as to perceptions of what is heavy or not.some of that stuff that is supposed to be heavy to me actually sounds properly nuts and chaotic but not especially heavy.too "pinched " on the higher tuned stuff and too fuzzy on the lower stuff. I like the second track which is lucky because when I just listened to the first track my thoughts were 'meh, another average Deftones track' the second track is the best stuff I've heard them do since 'Around The Fur', I'll be interested to hear the new one. I think heaviness is all really in the ear of the beholder, for instance this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmdmnnv2NkYthis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BI4_NMxPb8&fea...this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdfD8dgCk90and this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOd-T58qHLA to me are all perfect examples of good heavy music and each one assaults your cranuim in very different ways.
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tuscaneer
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f king hell, obituary have conjured up some old memories!!. i can`t get onto any of that blast beat stuff at all.musically very proficient but leaves me a bit cold. question to all really, how did you arrive at your metal tastes of today?? i was brought up on deep purple and zepplin, which turned into iron maiden and so on round about the somewhere in time album(1986-87).this quickly turned into thrash metal in the late 80`s with slayer,testament,exodus and all the usual suspects.about the same time as this i got more turned on to hardcore.west coast for my more melodic leanings(dag nasty,descendents etc.) and east coast for the more traditional hardcore like minor threat, gorrila biscuits and all that.it went off on a bit of a tangent here because bands like biohazard had those hardcore roots but were moving it all a bit more rap/metal. always liked sepultura but not madly until chaos ad then finally roots.by now korn and deftones had sprung up and for me widened the scopes somewhat.i`ll probably get shot down in flames for this but if limp bizkit had existed without fred f king durst they would have been epic!
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JaymzDead
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For me it started with my Dad listening to old Quo and Deep Purple from this I got into hair metal with the likes of Motley Crue, Poison and GN'R. I was 14 when grunge broke in '91 so this played a major part, chiefly Alice In Chains and Soundgarden and at about the same time I got into thrash through Metallica, Slayer, Testament and Pantera then I progessed swiftly on to death metal with the likes of Obituary, Morbid Angel, Carcass and Death. Also listened to quite a bit of industrial for a time from the 'commercial' side: early NIN, Ministry and Pop Will Eat Itself through to Front 242, Murder Inc, The Young Gods and KMFDM. At about the same time as the grunge explosion and probably partly down to those bands name-checking others I discovered east coast hardcore and post hardcore through Sick Of It All, Agnostic Front, the Cro-Mags, Fugazi and Quicksand this lead to the more experimental metal/noisy side of the genre with late 90s bands like Earth Crisis, Turmoil, Kiss It Goodbye, Dillinger Escape Plan and Candiria. Through these bands and also my love of Sepultura I heard about Neurosis, so when a copy of Through Silver In Blood appeared when it was released I bought it out of curiosity and was completely blown away by the power, ferocity and downright unsettling nature of the music contained within. Then through Pantera and Phil in particular I got turned onto the sludgecore scene and through listening to Down I got into Acid Bath, Crowbar, Eyehategod and Corrosion Of Conformity. Really the latest chapter in my musical journey in the last few years has led me to a genre which a lot of people looking at my musical taste and age probably would've expected me to be into almost from it's inception and that's Black Metal. It is only since hanging out and being in bands with people who've really been into it that I have really 'got' it. Before I guess I just couldn't get past the bad production values but now it all seems to make sense. The first band for me and one I've always liked really was Emperor but I quickly discovered Immortal, Burzum, Dimmu Borgir, Celtic Frost and Mayhem then moved onto more obscure stuff like Nargaroth, Windir, Destroyer666 and Drudkh then onto more recent stuff like Goatw e, Wolves In The Throne Room, Cobalt and Epheles. I still search out new bands from most of the sub genres I've mentioned and recently I've had a bit of a resurgent interest in metallic hardcore through the likes of The Acacia Strain, Skycamefalling and Your Demise. I think that's about covers everything, sorry hope I didn't bore anyone!
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tuscaneer
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just had a little blimp and i really like that your demise stuff.very reminiscent of hatebreed and the throwdown stuff before their last pantera-esque leanings.
i spent a lot of time on the post hardcore stuff and when quicksand put out slip in ,what `92? my world changed forever.the biscuits had been just about my favourite hardcore band and walter`s reinvention here was epic.quicksand was probably my biggest musical influence in terms of music i wrote in my band.les pauls and rickenbackers.heaven!
interesting you mention early nin and ministry.had land of rape and honey and new world order by ministry and was a little bit into industrial as a passing phase.nine inch nails however meant much more to me.outside of heavy music i had always been a post-vince depeche mode fan(and still am to this day).when pretty hate machine arrived i was very very into it.a natural progression taking depeche modes darker side a bit darker and heavier.really impressed with reznor and in particular his instrumental soundscapes.
i can also see big links between deftones and depeche mode and it was only reading an interview with chino years later that i realized that they were just about his biggest musical influence.
sorry to ramble on but i`m really intersted in all of this musical roots stuff!
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hornet
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Heavy is indeed subjective. For me, "heavy" has become doom metal, but that's as I've got older, as it always used to be about stuff that was as fast as possible. If anything, I now find doom more extreme than death and grindcore. You've got the ultra, ultra slow drone stuff such as Esoteric, Moss, Sunn o))) and Monarch, who I really can't listen to very often, but above that I'd class the likes of Electric Wizard, Ramesses, Ufomammut, Weedeater, Unearthly Trance and suchlike to be "properly" heavy. For want of a better description, I need a more organic sound to my heaviness, so the clean stuff just doesn't cut it. I want a song to vibrate the floor, not sound like it was conceived on a hard drive. I still like a lot of death and grindcore, but I'm generally just rediscovering the old stuff I used to listen to rather than actively seeking out new bands. I find old Entombed and Grave much more satisfying as the songs actually go places, rather than just going chugga chugga yeeurgh geuurrgh for five minutes. I still don't think anything has bettered Napalm Death's Peel Sessions for sheer ferocity, and you're not going to better Symphonies of Sickness or Horrified for twisted grindcore brilliance, regardless of how OTT you go, but I guess that's probably just because they made such an impression on me at the time. Death and grindcore just felt more exciting then, whereas now it just seems like a production line of bands going yeeeeuuuuurrrrgggghhhhh and playing as fast as humanly possibly for want of actually writing songs. You could leave you front door unlocked etc etc In terms of evolution, my tastes have probably taken a fairly similar direction to others here. Started listening to Maiden around 1986, then the usual suspects such as Metallica, Anthrax, Megadeth and Slayer. That led on to the late 80s thrash stuff like Dark Angel, Nuclear Assault, Forbidden (still great!) and local heroes Acid Reign. Moved from thrash to the early Scandinavian death metal stuff at the start of the nineties (Entombed, Grave, Dismember, At the Gates etc), then deeper into general death and grindcore (Napalm Death, Carcass, Regurgitate, Nasum, Agathocles) and also Black Metal when it all started getting silly in about 1993 - Emperor, Burzum, Darkthrone, Beherit sort of stuff. Drifted into doomier waters these days, having previously hated it. Tended to stay there up to now, although I'm getting back into Black Metal again, having not really paid it much attention for a decade or so. Mostly stuff with that old Darkthrone ambience. Things like Pest, Leviathan, Judas Iscariot, Sargeist, Craft and Krypt. I much prefer the more lo-fi approach, as that's what Black Metal is to me. I was never really one for keyboards. I'm obvioulsy just kvlt and true  I really muct post the spectacularly daft live clip of Nattefrost in his Satanic bondage pants of Metal when I get home, as it's glorious. I guess I've just drifted away from most modern metal these days, as it just feels like it's being directed at angry teenagers. Can't think of anything new I've heard that has made me sit up and go "wow, that's good!". Too many bands trying to sound earnest and deep or shouty and grrrr. Could never really get on with that.
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JaymzDead
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hornet said: Heavy is indeed subjective. For me, "heavy" has become primarily doom metal, but that's as I've got older, as I always used to love old death metal and grindcore. You've got the ultra, ultra slow drone stuff such as Esoteric, Moss, Sunn o))) and Monarch, who I really can't listen to very often, but above that I'd class the likes of Electric Wizard, Ramesses, Ufomammut, Weedeater, Unearthly Trance and suchlike to be "properly" heavy. For want of a better description, I need a more organic sound to my heaviness, so the clean stuff just doesn't cut it. I want a song to vibrate the floor, not sound like it was conceived on a hard drive. I still like a lot of death and grindcore, but generally the stuff I used to listen to. I can't stand the Nile/Belphegor approach, as there's no feeling to it. I find old Entombed and Grave much more satisfying as the songs actually go places. Anyway, in terms of sheer ferocity, I still don't think anything has bettered Napalm Death's Peel Sessions. My tastes have probably taken a fairly similar direction to others here. Started listening to Maiden around 1986 (and still listen to them to this day), then the usual suspects such as Metallica, Anthrax, Megadeth and Slayer. That let on to the late 80s thrash stuff like Dark Angel, Nuclear Assault, Forbidden (still great!) and local heroes Acid Reign. Moved from thrash to the early Scandinavian death metal stuff at the start of the nineties (Entombed, Grave, Dismember, At the Gates etc), then deeper into general death and grindcore (Napalm Death, Carcass etc) and also Black Metal when it all started getting silly in about 1993 - Emperor, Burzum, Darkthrone, Beherit sort of stuff. Drifted into doomier waters these days, having previously hated it. Tended to stay there up to now, more or less, although I'm getting back into Black Metal again, albeit only stuff with that old Darkthrone ambience. Could never do the Marduk / Immortal stuff, as it just seemed pointless. I've tended to leave the bulk of modern mainstream metal alone, as very little of it interests me these days, mostly because it all seems to follow a very similar blueprint, either being clean and bleaty or continual blasts and pig squaling. I have never liked power metal and never will  LOL got to agree on the power metal thing the majority of it is very cringe-worthy if you ask me, my tastes do border on it because I like Maiden and Queensryche but s te like Hammerfall and Dragonforce can f*** right off! For more modern black and post black stuff have you might want to try Wolves In The Throne Room and Altar Of Plagues, both have much more ambience to them than a lot of the current mainstream stuff, also Cobalt would probably be worth a listen. P.S UKAC FTW!!! Acid Reign are epic!
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tuscaneer
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what was that album with the infantile painting on it? moshkenstein or something?? i really was into that pink album that was all serious.obnoxious??
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hornet
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tuscaneer said: what was that album with the infantile painting on it? moshkenstein or something?? i really was into that pink album that was all serious.obnoxious?? Moshkinstein was the first one, then The Fear, both of which had rubbish covers. Shame really, as they could never really get rid of that image. Saw them live a few times and they were fantastic. There's a whole gig from Stockholm up on Google Video somewhere, so I'll put the link up later. Square Danciest band in the World
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hornet
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Sorry, replying to myself, but anyone else like Agalloch? Check out "Falling Snow".
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JaymzDead
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hornet said: Sorry, replying to myself, but anyone else like Agalloch? Check out "Falling Snow". Just checking out their website, the track that's playing 'Ashes Against The Grain' wins muchly so far. On a (slightly) related note anyone else checked our Triptykon yet? On the strength of the 2 tracks I've listened to on myspace I shall definatly be purchasing the album.
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Gompo
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I like Agalloch.
Triptykon does sound exactly how you'd expect - Celtic Frost..
I listened to both 'Monotheist' once when it came out and listened to the Triptykon album a couple of weeks back, I definitely prefer the latter.
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hornet
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chevronb37
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I cannot describe how happy it makes me to see Neurosis and Kiss it Goodbye name-checked in a Pistonheads thread. I love that late-1990s noisecore stuff - Botch, Cave-In, Deadguy, etc. Great, inventive time for music. This week I've been listening to The Plight, Melvins and Toto. Must be getting old...
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gbbird
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I only remember snippets of my descent into the world that is Metal It began when I was about 11 or 12 , and I believe Mr Ritchie Blackmore and Rainbow’s Down To Earth (All Night Long and Since You Been Gone in particular) were the main protagonists, although prior to that my older brother had got me into Meatloaf’s Bat Out Of Hell. Soon after getting into Rainbow, a whole host of guitar influenced musical opportunities presented themselves, and I started to listen to bits of Led Zep, Deep Purple and Black Sabbath, along with other more current rock/metal bands such as Whitesnake, Bon Jovi and Europe. At around the same time, I decided I wanted to learn to play the guitar so I too could be a rock god like Messrs Blackmore or Page. I took to the guitar pretty well, and my style soon became apparent as leaning towards to the heavier side of strumming, so my musical tastes followed suit. I remember buying my first Iron Maiden album – 7th Son – and at first I didn’t like it at all, finding it just too heavy. But I soon got into it, and then the floodgates really opened up as a started to hang around with individuals with similar musical leanings, and with whom I later formed my first band. I began to listen to Metallica, Megadeth and Slayer when I was about 15, and it went downhill from there as I soon adopted the mantra of the heavier the better. I shunned the indie scene, and broadened my metal horizons with bands such as Mordred, Sepultura, Toranaga, CoC, Deicide, Anacrusis, Morbid Angel, Death Angel, Paradise Lost, Cancer, Kreator, Pantera, Candlemass, Sacred Reich, Death, Soundgarden, Biohazard, the mighty BATHORY and of course the even mightier SABBAT. I continued to like the hair metal too, such as Skid Row and MSG, and one band that sticks out in this category is LEATHERWOLF – still one of my all time faves to this day. I really liked the technical thrash stuff, so Atheist, Cynic, Pestilence and Watchtower were frequently on my cassette deck. These kept me going through my student years, and I was in a number of bands which I like to think drew on most of these influences. I then got into the Christian Thrash scene, thanks mainly to the mighty BELIEVER, and listened to groups like Sacrament, Tourniquet and Living Sacrifice. Also in this category were Detritus, which I first got into at school but never really realised they were Christian Some years later I discovered the Swedish/Scandinavian Metal scene, thanks to Dark Tranquility, Amon Amarth, At The Gates etc, and from that I began to delve into Black Metal, mainly Emperor, Ulver, Borknagar, Burzum etc. I explored a number of bands on the Displeased Records label, for example Consolation, Nembrionic Hammerdeath, Altar, Rhadamantys, Celestial Season, Infernal Majesty etc. I started to give the nu-metal stuff and some of the newer thrash bands a go, liking some but not all, but I always ended up going back to the classics and buying up the back catalogues of bands such as Dark Angel, Celtic Frost, . Other relatively ‘recent’ bands who I appreciate are Machinehead, Deftones, System Of A Down, Avenged Sevenfold, and Mastodon to name but a few. I continue to listen to almost any genre of metal, as long as it’s good and packs a punch. Some do it for me, some do not – it matters not what genre it is.
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Don't worry I caught myself singing along to Spandau Ballet the other day!
