Derren Brown ?
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jackal said:
sstein said:
mouk786 said:
He makes out stuff is to do with the mind but most of it has a decent trick behidn it
that said he is a brilliant live entertainer and his live show was great. its fun trying to work out how its all done.
Yep, all the NLP stuff is nonsense. His tricks usually have old fashioned magic tricks behind them.that said he is a brilliant live entertainer and his live show was great. its fun trying to work out how its all done.
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Stuart
but the NLP stuff is not nonsense... make no mistake, its a very powerful tool
just with a small knowledge you can very easily work out peoples thought patterns and how theyare thinking and arriving at teh things they are saying
I wonder how much of his audience would still go if they knew that the mind reading / psychology stuff was a bluff ? They do know it's magic trick don't they ?
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Stuart
PDV said:
what does NLP stand for?
Neuro-Linguistic Programming, or something similar.Basically, some people believe that they can make you do certain things, or think certain things by using body signals and reading body signals. They think that Derren Brown can read these subliminal signals.
It's a new age scam used by con-artists who want to teach you the tricks to read people. Wether you want to become a world class salesman or a magician.. whatever...
I'm highly sceptical.
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Stuart
sstein said:
PDV said:
what does NLP stand for?
Neuro-Linguistic Programming, or something similar.Basically, some people believe that they can make you do certain things, or think certain things by using body signals and reading body signals. They think that Derren Brown can read these subliminal signals.
It's a new age scam used by con-artists who want to teach you the tricks to read people. Wether you want to become a world class salesman or a magician.. whatever...
I'm highly sceptical.
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Stuart
you seem to have a bit of an axe to grind here
not only is that a grossly inaccurate definition but NLP is used very successfully in training, teaching and counselling. Its not new-age and has very little relevance in conjuring or 'sales' as you put it.
Are you trying to tell me that there aren't people selling courses in NLP to improve your sales techniques or a raft of other courses to part gullible people with their money ?
I think we both know that's wrong. I have no axe to grind, I just get annoyed when I see silly people being taken in by con-merchants. I think NLP has it's fair share of con-merchants.
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Stuart
I think we both know that's wrong. I have no axe to grind, I just get annoyed when I see silly people being taken in by con-merchants. I think NLP has it's fair share of con-merchants.
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Stuart
sstein said:
has it's fair share of con-merchants.
So has buying a sandwich from a garage... you open it up and all the filling is centred around the position which you could see it from the outside of the packaging. Towards the back of the bread there is sod all filling.everything has con merchants.... car tuning, cheap DIY tools, pensions & mortgages, religion, christmas trees, high street clothes .. balh blah
welcome to the world
jackal said:
So has buying a sandwich from a garage... you open it up and all the filling is centred around the position which you could see it from the outside of the packaging. Towards the back of the bread there is sod all filling.
everything has con merchants.... car tuning, cheap DIY tools, pensions & mortgages, religion, christmas trees, high street clothes .. balh blah
welcome to my bitter little world
EFAeverything has con merchants.... car tuning, cheap DIY tools, pensions & mortgages, religion, christmas trees, high street clothes .. balh blah
welcome to my bitter little world
meloe said:
Extreme intelligence if you ask me and the power of suggestion/subconscience. I don't know how he does it, but he's obviously got an extremely high iq. I went to the same secondary school as him and he was always talked of in high regard
tricks...just been watching it again
nail writer/envelope thing is called the swami gimmick by the way
thats how he picks out the girl at the end
as for the Oracle... I think a batch of cards are taken off stage during the interval to be memorised. Its a memory trick. The interval for these shows was apparently very very long and only one person was allowed at a time to go onto the stage and drop in their secret envelope.
jackal said:
meloe said:
Extreme intelligence if you ask me and the power of suggestion/subconscience. I don't know how he does it, but he's obviously got an extremely high iq. I went to the same secondary school as him and he was always talked of in high regard
tricks...just been watching it again
nail writer/envelope thing is called the swami gimmick by the way
thats how he picks out the girl at the end
as for the Oracle... I think a batch of cards are taken off stage during the interval to be memorised. Its a memory trick. The interval for these shows was apparently very very long and only one person was allowed at a time to go onto the stage and drop in their secret envelope.
He does a similar mind-reading trick in something wicked tour. People have to write down who they had their first crush on. They write it on a pad and tear off the page and put it in their back pocket. It's never used again, and as if by magic Derren knows what was written down
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Stuart
you can see the zimmerman effect using the Malloy master prediction box here:
http://www.malloymodernmagic.com/videos/master_pre...
its exactly the same prop as Derren uses
it even has that same cylindrical container
http://www.malloymodernmagic.com/videos/master_pre...
its exactly the same prop as Derren uses
it even has that same cylindrical container
Edited by jackal on Wednesday 14th January 01:01
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