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Ozzie Osmond said:
As I have mentioned before, it's worth remembering UK meekly handed Hong Kong over to China (Chris Patten of BBC fame....) yet won't let go of a few crummy islands off the coast of Argentina.
Wonder how Brits would feel if Argentina owned the Isle of Man?
Wonder how Brits would feel if Argentina owned the Isle of Man?
Big difference...Hong Kong was only ever LEASED to the UK for 99 years. It was a legally binding agreement that we give it back.
Ozzie Osmond said:
As I have mentioned before, it's worth remembering UK meekly handed Hong Kong over to China (Chris Patten of BBC fame....) yet won't let go of a few crummy islands off the coast of Argentina.
Wonder how Brits would feel if Argentina owned the Isle of Man?
I'd be more concerned over how the residents of the Isle of Man felt (they have their own parliament you know)?Wonder how Brits would feel if Argentina owned the Isle of Man?
Of course the Isle of Man is a lot closer to the UK than the Falklands are to Argentina - better analogy would be Gibraltar.
Ozzie Osmond said:
As I have mentioned before, it's worth remembering UK meekly handed Hong Kong over to China (Chris Patten of BBC fame....) yet won't let go of a few crummy islands off the coast of Argentina.
Wonder how Brits would feel if Argentina owned the Isle of Man?
We didn't meekly hand Hong Kong back, after beating China in the opium wars as part of our victory we leased Hong Kong from the Chinese for 99 years as part of the Treaty of Nanking, that lease ended in 1997. We left, contract finished.Wonder how Brits would feel if Argentina owned the Isle of Man?
Just noticed other reply above, as I started this they weren't there so this is in agreement with IM and scenario8
Lurking Lawyer said:
MartG said:
On the question of colonialism, which Kirchner keeps banging on about, I don't think the name 'Kirchner' originated from any of the 35 groups of indigenous peoples that existed prior to the arrival of the Spanish in 1530. If she's that concerned about colonialism, maybe she should hand the land back to the indigenous tribes and f
k off back to Germany ( where her name originates ) or Spain ?
Point of order - that's her married name. Her family name is Fernandez.k off back to Germany ( where her name originates ) or Spain ?A quick Google reveals that her father was of Spanish descent, her mother of German. Not clear how far back though.
Ozzie Osmond said:
As I have mentioned before, it's worth remembering UK meekly handed Hong Kong over to China (Chris Patten of BBC fame....) yet won't let go of a few crummy islands off the coast of Argentina.
Wonder how Brits would feel if Argentina owned the Isle of Man?
Excellent research skills there Wonder how Brits would feel if Argentina owned the Isle of Man?
Dixie68 said:
Ozzie Osmond said:
As I have mentioned before, it's worth remembering UK meekly handed Hong Kong over to China (Chris Patten of BBC fame....) yet won't let go of a few crummy islands off the coast of Argentina.
Wonder how Brits would feel if Argentina owned the Isle of Man?
Excellent research skills there Wonder how Brits would feel if Argentina owned the Isle of Man?
Halb said:
Hong Kong island was the possession of the UK's 'in perpetuity'. The mainland bit was leased.
This is true. However, I think the realities of the situation regarding the local population, the viability of any proposition to hold onto the island alone, plus the desire the build a stronger relationship between the UK and China all led to the deal that was done. FourWheelDrift said:
Ozzie Osmond said:
As I have mentioned before, it's worth remembering UK meekly handed Hong Kong over to China (Chris Patten of BBC fame....) yet won't let go of a few crummy islands off the coast of Argentina.
Wonder how Brits would feel if Argentina owned the Isle of Man?
We didn't meekly hand Hong Kong back, in 1898 after beating China in the opium wars as part of our victory we leased Hong Kong from the Chinese for 99 years as part of the Treaty of Nanking, that lease ended in 1997. We left, contract finished.Wonder how Brits would feel if Argentina owned the Isle of Man?
Just noticed other reply above, as I started this they weren't there so this is in agreement with IM and scenario8
My belief is that we owned the majority of Hong Kong (reparations after they lost a war because they were all drugged up on opium that the EIDC was supplying), had a lease on another island and a fort or some such military installation on HK and that it was thought unworkable to keep HK with a Chinese military presence once the 'fort' lease was up so we gave back the whole of HK even though we didn't need to.
I'm sure I'll be corrected if wrong, but believe I read/watched this from a reputable source in the last 12 months - history channel?
ETA - ah, by the time it took me to one finger type on the iPad it was already confirmed twice above.
Edited by DonnyMac on Friday 4th January 13:45
There were 3 treaties but I tried to keep it simple. Basically what happened was we beat China in a war and in reparations across 50 years and 3 treaties we got a number of concessions in China. That resulted in quite a bit of premium land. When the lease of most of the land was up in 1997 we gave it back, even the part that we were given in perpetuity as to garner favour with the modernising Chinese who were still the great untapped international market. But it was all planned out over 15 years and not just "meekly handed over", which is what got me to respond.
Edited by FourWheelDrift on Friday 4th January 13:51
FourWheelDrift said:
There were 3 treaties but I tried to keep it simple. Basically what happened was we beat China in a war and in reparations across 50 years and 3 treaties we got a number of concessions in China. That resulted in quite a bit of premium land. When the lease of most of the land was up in 1997 we gave it back, even the part that we were given in perpetuity as it would be like having Heathrow airport without the runways and to also garner favour with the modernising Chinese who were still the great untapped international market.
This was my understanding but you've put it far better than I could :thumbsup:andymadmak said:
This is true. However, I think the realities of the situation regarding the local population, the viability of any proposition to hold onto the island alone, plus the desire the build a stronger relationship between the UK and China all led to the deal that was done.
Yes, I understand why it was done. A wise move...if it really did benefit the UK. I was just commenting that the reason it was given back was not really to do with the lease.Caulkhead said:
Which is exactly why the French do nothing about the Channel Islands. . . . . . .
I think that, that is probably more to do with military superiority for a long time, and then German issue to the East and the new entente cordial, and then the Europe changed in the 20th century.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff